Just an insight from a German newbie who's a Dortmund fan:
Could be unsettled with a huge offer in the summer then?
ManniKaltz said:
Could be unsettled with a huge offer in the summer then?
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He is right, I feel that all this talk of coming here etc would be shot down with a contract renewal that pays slightly less than what Gotze, Ribery etc will get.
What I mean is that even if we offered him say £250,000 as opposed to £150,000 at Bayern, he would stay at Bayern. He is not at the mercenary level of Adebayor just yet.
I just can't see Kroos leaving Bayern.
However...if there is one player i could hand pick to add to United that would literally transform the whole team, Kroos would be the man. Complete midfielder. That is all.
Edit: In short, throw the kitchen sink at this one Moyes you troll.
However...if there is one player i could hand pick to add to United that would literally transform the whole team, Kroos would be the man. Complete midfielder. That is all.
Edit: In short, throw the kitchen sink at this one Moyes you troll.
Offering huge sums of money for a player who has only one year left on his contract this summer would be a mistake. We need to learn from Bayern in that regard. Hire and agent that can talk to his agent and tell him what wages we are going to offer, of course this offer has to be really good one to make sure he won't extend with Bayern. Then in the summer offer Bayern 15m € and see how they react. If they don't want to sell the player for that kind of money sign him the summer after that for free.
What a stupid tweet.
Going for Kroos now will mean nothing. We could offer £80m for him and they'd reject it and tell us to wait until the summer, they're not going to disrupt their campaigns. All any bids would do is annoy Bayern and could even work against us as any bid rejected would strengthen the chance of Kroos getting a bigger contract with them.
We've got to keep in his ear like we have been doing, make no hasty move and time it right at the start of the summer so they have time to consider their options fully. The ball is in Bayern's court 100%, year on his contract or not.
We are a fall back option at the moment and we have to hope Bayern play it too cool and make him feel like he isn't as important as he feels.
That is exactly what have been doing. I think we are becoming more 'sneaky' in our potential transfers as everyone else is doing the same. We are not going to the club directly for permission.
The thing is: the longer they leave it, then surely the less appreciated he should feel? If they wanted him that badly to stay, they would attempt to resolve negotiations asap and show Kroos he is one of their top players by representing this in his wages. Delaying this process shows how much they are weighing up this option in my opinion, and would not be something I would be pleased with if I was in Kroos' opinion.
Then there's us standing in England waving a fat cheque and the potential to work under Moyes instead of Guardiola, who wouldn't be sold by that?
Then there's us standing in England waving a fat cheque and the potential to work under Moyes instead of Guardiola, who wouldn't be sold by that?
But Bayern have a huge ego with the way the club is going right now and are not willing to come down to a player's demands, especially to a player who relatively is not as important as the other top earners.
They can get another player to fill his boots. Bayern won't nudge and hopefully Kroos won't too, but that is highly unlikely. At the end, if both don't back down, Kroos will leave.
What must not be forgotten is that even if he fails to agree a deal with Bayern, his club could still very well tell us to feck off in the summer regardless, 'he has 12 months on his contract at this moment and we are calm'.
Not to mention the potential suitors that could get involved if it all blows open. There isn't a club in the world that wouldn't want him. We've just got to hope our flirting now is actually putting us in a stron position.
Fjortoft ffs, who cares what he "tweets"
Fair call
maybe that is a new situation for United: Where the larger-than-life club used to be enough, they now actually have to present something like a "concept" to lure top players.Got my United 'Kroos 7' shirt ordered. Same place that sold me the 'Hazard 9' shirt, the 'Moura 7' shirt, the 'Schneider 88' shirt and the 'Batistuta 10' shirt
Nailed on this one is
Nailed on this one is
Transfer News: Toni Kroos not rushing to sign new Bayern Munich contract
By Thomas Zocher | Last Updated: 04/03/14 11:14am
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Toni Kroos: Bayern Munich midfielder in no rush to sign new contract
Bayern Munich midfielder Toni Kroos has confirmed that neither he nor the club are in any rush to agree on a new deal.
The 24-year-old's current contract with the German and European champions runs out in June 2015 and there have been reports that he could be convinced to move to Manchester United in the summer.
Kroos and Bayern have been in negotiations over a fresh deal for a while, but the Bavarian giants are reportedly refusing to meet his wage demands.
However, the midfielder has insisted that he is in no hurry to sign on the dotted line and dismissed suggestions that there is a deadline to the discussions.
"We have focused on signing a new deal for some time," the Germany international told Kicker-Sportmagazin. "However, we did not reach an agreement in January.
"I want to fully focus on the 2014 World Cup. I do not want to discuss contracts during the tournament.
"There is no deadline for my future to be sorted."
By Thomas Zocher | Last Updated: 04/03/14 11:14am
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Toni Kroos: Bayern Munich midfielder in no rush to sign new contract
Bayern Munich midfielder Toni Kroos has confirmed that neither he nor the club are in any rush to agree on a new deal.
The 24-year-old's current contract with the German and European champions runs out in June 2015 and there have been reports that he could be convinced to move to Manchester United in the summer.
Kroos and Bayern have been in negotiations over a fresh deal for a while, but the Bavarian giants are reportedly refusing to meet his wage demands.
However, the midfielder has insisted that he is in no hurry to sign on the dotted line and dismissed suggestions that there is a deadline to the discussions.
"We have focused on signing a new deal for some time," the Germany international told Kicker-Sportmagazin. "However, we did not reach an agreement in January.
"I want to fully focus on the 2014 World Cup. I do not want to discuss contracts during the tournament.
"There is no deadline for my future to be sorted."
Standard comments from a player undecided on his future.
He'd be mad to leave Bayern and come here though, wouldn't he? I cannot imagine what would have to go in his head to even contemplate it.
Why do we tend to wait until the summer before starting negotiations? I realise the window is then, but that just means that's when transfers can happen, surely the norm should be to negotiate at all other times preparing that when the window opens, ideally, your business would be done... I appreciate it doesn't always work that way in the sense of some managers want to hold out to make the other team pay more etc, but typically speaking, a player is for sale and a club buys him, why couldn't they commit/work it out before the short window in which you have to complete the process?
Money, main midfield man and....Moyes?
Simply holding out for a improved contract offer it would seem. I reckon our name has been thrown into the hat (as usual) by his agent to get some traction on an increased deal.
He's not a Bavarian and has won everything there is to win at Bayern. Also, he is apparently quite self-confident/arrogant and may wish to go to another big club that looks to him as the man.
Yep but he's probably not going to win anything at United so that's a negative change. From playing to win Champions League and all domestic trophies to a top 4 struggle doesn't seem like much of a choice to make.
There are different clubs who are competitive that would also give him a regular starting spot. Surely Chelsea or City would come into equation if it came to that (him trying to move away from Bayern)?
A page from the Bayern forum.....
http://www.bayernforum.com/personnel-f8/toni-kroos-t1837-480.html
Statement from the club (sorry if already posted)
http://www.givemesport.com/434565-toni-kroos-will-not-be-sold-this-summer
I don't think they want to loose him, but they don't need him like they think he does due to their current personnel. Obviously, we won't know until a good few months down the line, but I think his future's in his hands now, meaning he won't renew before the World Cup regardless of offers I think due to the way he feels he has been perhaps mispercieved. After the World cup, he may well decide he wants a change of scenery.
http://www.bayernforum.com/personnel-f8/toni-kroos-t1837-480.html
Statement from the club (sorry if already posted)
http://www.givemesport.com/434565-toni-kroos-will-not-be-sold-this-summer
I don't think they want to loose him, but they don't need him like they think he does due to their current personnel. Obviously, we won't know until a good few months down the line, but I think his future's in his hands now, meaning he won't renew before the World Cup regardless of offers I think due to the way he feels he has been perhaps mispercieved. After the World cup, he may well decide he wants a change of scenery.
Don't do this to yourself boys. It's the hope that kills you.
is that what you say to all the guys, you cocktease?
It's the letdown that kills you, the hope keeps us driving, alternatively, to not hope is to accept this
I'll hope...
I think any decision will be made after the World Cup. If he performs well obviously it would drive up the price - whether performing well will make him stay or leave is a different matter. I think how he feels about his situation now won't necessarily be the same after the World Cup when a few more months have passed and he has had a chance to reflect on things.
But it seems like one of the more plausible targets due to Bayern having such an overload of quality in that position. That is until Woodward submits a 25 mil bid.
But it seems like one of the more plausible targets due to Bayern having such an overload of quality in that position. That is until Woodward submits a 25 mil bid.
As if he will leave Bayern for United, seriously. It is a negotiation tactic pure and simple, and not surprising seeing as it is only United's name in the hat, a club desperate for a midfielder of his ilk, and with admitted money to burn. If by some miraculous turn of events he became available there would undoubtedly be more clubs than just United interested......and they in turn may be more interesting to Kroos himself.
Well, if by some arbitrary rule that he were allowed to join us now, in March - then no, he would not be likely to win anything at United this season. Next season, he will have a chance, along with the other teams with good squads. We need a few top players to compete. If all of them say 'but they need a few top players to compete', then we'll never ever recover as they won't come. Kroos will be part of the solution (if he joins of course) that gets us competing again.
Or are you saying that this is it, basically? United are no longer a club of any relevance at the top end and should not expect to compete for honours from now on.
Agree. The damage to our reputation is overplayed here, even with us missing out on a CL place. We are one of the giants of world football, top players will be extremely confident that we will quickly return to competitiveness, more so than many United fans who will have been somewhat overwhelmed by the negativity surrounding the club this season. Add in more attractive wages than they'll get at their current clubs and the sponsorship deals they'll get while playing for the world's most famous football club...
If we miss out on top players this summer it'll be for the same reasons we always have: competition from more attractive clubs and competition from clubs who are willing to spend more.
As things stand we are miles behind the top of Europe and some distance behind top English clubs too.
I also reckon that with our current staff the most we are capable of is the odd top 4 finish once in a while, we won't be competitive in terms of winning trophies unless there's a significant change there.
Things change quickly in football. Madrid around 2006-2009 were going through a rough patch - far cry from the squad they've assembled recently. Same goes for Liverpool and Arsenal - last season they weren't really a force and two seasons ago (+before that for a good 5 years) they were genuinely struggling to finish top 4. Liverpool were finishing some 30 points behind the eventual league winners.
I would be genuinely shocked if the Board let the current situation spiral out of control ala Liverpool in the late 80's/early 90's. Yes, Moyes has definitely made things a lot more difficult no doubt about that but United, with or without Moyes, could easily recover within a short space of time.
Again, things change quickly in football.
EDIT: I could go on and on. Bayern in 2010 were distinctly average when they knocked us out. Fast forward to 2013 they've become the team the whole world has begun to fear.
If anything recent history shows that you can fall from the top very quickly but getting back there requires some time. You cite Real Madrid and Bayern as examples but even they had to undergo a process of rebuilding and a few years of relative mediocrity before they got where they are - changing managers and players before they got it right in the meantime.
When I've watched us this season I haven't been under impression that this team under this management could improve enough to be competitive in England let alone Europe. 2 or 3 more years of this and it'll be very difficult to get back to where we were 2007-11 or even last year.
Yet another player using us to get a fat new contract.
I agree, I'm as gloomy as the next man about our current fortunes. Current is certainly the operative word though. I am reassured in that we have the resources to recover, and that our owners have sufficient greed to do whatever they can to avoid a Liverpool-like slump.
Assuming he doesn't get his fat new contract, he could always take us up on our big money offer...
Of course but it'll be a rather big job. A change in management could see us turn into a regular top 4 side IMO without even strengthening the squad that much, allowing a new manager to bring 2-3 players could make us the best team in England again and 5 right signings would get us equal to top of Europe.
This entire saga reads exactly like the scripts of the Schweinsteiger and Lahm contract extensions between 2008 and 2010. Back then the tone was even harsher and both players were eying a transfer abroad more openly than Kroos ever did. I feel like Toni Kroos took note back when he arrived at Bayern as a young lad and is making good use of those memories.
Today the discussion may not be about Bayern's lack of international competitiveness and ambition, but in the way the FO evaluates Toni Kroos. He wants a lot more recognition from the big bosses and not only money. Perhaps also a statement about future captaincy.
Still, I cannot see him leave Bayern at this time. Toni Kroos must realize that there is currently no clearer path to international stardom than at Guardiola's Bayern.
Today the discussion may not be about Bayern's lack of international competitiveness and ambition, but in the way the FO evaluates Toni Kroos. He wants a lot more recognition from the big bosses and not only money. Perhaps also a statement about future captaincy.
Still, I cannot see him leave Bayern at this time. Toni Kroos must realize that there is currently no clearer path to international stardom than at Guardiola's Bayern.
He must be aware of what's on the table and I imagine it will be more than Bayern are offering or likely to offer.Here's hoping....
Yeah I have the Ronaldinho 10 shirt and the Robben one!
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