Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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Aston Villa can get him for nothing in the summer......they would be stupid to buy him now for 7m.
RedMachine03 said:
A player cannot play for more than 2 teams in a year. This applies to Championship and abroad as well, I'm not really sure though.
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The same goes for Ben Arfa....he has played for Newcastle and Hull this season....so he must wait for his Nice debut til next season

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Hatem Ben Arfa look away now. Micah Richards appeared for Manchester City in the Community Shield in August and has played for Fiorentina in Serie A this campaign too. But he would be allowed to play for Inter as well because Uefa count the Wembley fixture as having happened last season.
 
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soapythecat said:
No sooner we get rid of the largest piece of driftwood in the squad and it looks like a similar piece is about to return.
I hope he doesn't come back, it wouldn't be good for either party. He won't get game time yet he may potentially stop younger players a space on the bench (LvG being as he is).
Don't see why the club doesn't just try and terminate his contact and let him sign for someone else. We won't get much of a fee is window.
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We should just pay him the remainder of the contract and let him walk if it comes to that. All of the players who were shipped out - Cleverley, Nani, Hernandez, etc. - should stay out. We need to move on and not cover the same territory again.

Some interesting perspective BTW: Herrera and Cleverley are both 25.
 
Surely we could have gotten 5 mil or so from Hull or whatever this past summer. Seems like another selling feckup from us.
 
Kenwright will continue Everton's scrounging off us and get him on a free in the summer. No way would he get in their starting CM, but it's a freebie.
 
Hed Zitin said:
Kenwright will continue Everton's scrounging off us and get him on a free in the summer. No way would he get in their starting CM, but it's a freebie.
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I imagine he wants decent wages after being at United. Do Everton really want to invest in a benchwarmer on biggish wages while their defence is in sore need of regeneration?
 
Will Absolute said:
It was always an odd deal, and makes you wonder whether Woody understands how football works.

Why expect Villa to avail of an option to pay £7m in January for a player they can get for nothing in June - unless Cleverley was sex on wheels and Villa were desperate to keep him, why would they fork over £7m; and why would Cleverley sign now and forgo a bigger payday in the summer?
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And not for the first time...

The intent was obviously to strong-arm Villa with the threat of taking a relatively important player out of their squad (whatever the opinions on here, he generally starts for them when fit) Of course, Villa know we couldn't loan him elsewhere and wouldn't want to pay the wages for a player who we don't need and will be letting go on a free at the end of the season. Unsurprisingly, Woody blinked first and Villa can have their cake and eat it.

I suspect getting fecked over in negotiations like this will be a theme so long as Woody is in charge. Until he learns the ropes anyway. He needs to realise that buying and selling players is very different to sniffing out sponsors for our shirt.
 
soap said:
Hard to believe we walked the league with this guy starting almost every game. Don't wanna be too mean, he's still one of our own and is probably a good guy,just a shit footballer
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TBF he was subbed off early in a lot of his 18 starts in the league. fergie just couldn't get rid of him. i think saf thought he may come god but nothing pointed to that. should never been in the side , shows how blind fergie was watching a midf play later in managerial career.
 
Cnutish from him to be honest. He know he will be in a better position to negotiate wages on a free.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
So do we get any transfer fee then? Plus unless his form takes a drastic upturn why would Everton want him, they have better options already, & by all accounts he is wanting a massive pay rise too, just can't see it.
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I can see him being Martínez type player, holds onto the ball tried to keep it ticking over. In fact its a type of player they lack.

Still good luck to the guy, wasn't good enough for United but i can see him establishing himself in a side like Everton. At Villa he just doesnt offer them that creative spark
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
No. Out of contract in the summer so will be a Bosman free.
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So we set-up a 'gentleman's agreement' for £7 million with Villa, they say we don't want to pay and we just leave it at that?

Madness, we should have recalled him and flogged him for whatever anyone would pay, we're not a charity.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
So we set-up a 'gentleman's agreement' for £7 million with Villa, they say we don't want to pay and we just leave it at that?

Madness, we should have recalled him and flogged him for whatever anyone would pay, we're not a charity.
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I think we blew any chance of a fee last summer, when we agreed the fee with Villa but he wouldn't go permanently because he wanted to join Everton, who then wouldn't match what Villa would pay.

I think the loan was just to get him off the wage bill and a last resort when the permanent deal fell through then. No club would pay a decent fee for him now with him being on a free in the summer, unless he'd been outstanding, which he hasn't. I see what you mean though, it has been a bit of a mess.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
I think we blew any chance of a fee last summer, when we agreed the fee with Villa but he wouldn't go permanently because he wanted to join Everton, who then wouldn't match what Villa would pay.

I think the loan was just to get him off the wage bill and a last resort when the permanent deal fell through then. No club would pay a decent fee for him now with him being on a free in the summer, unless he'd been outstanding, which he hasn't. I see what you mean though, it has been a bit of a mess.
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I just find all these players leaving for peanuts a bit annoying, Anderson, Cleverley, Zaha, Evra, Kagawa, Lawrence, Henrique, Keane, Fletcher for a combined £15 million (roughly), yes a mixed bag there, but still some really good players, it just seems were more keen to get them off the wage bill.

For the summer you would think players like Hernandez, and Nani would be worth £10 million + each but it wouldn't surprise me if they go for peanuts too.
 
I don't think Everton will want him in the Summer.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I just find all these players leaving for peanuts a bit annoying, Anderson, Cleverley, Zaha, Evra, Kagawa, Lawrence, Henrique, Keane, Fletcher for a combined £15 million (roughly), yes a mixed bag there, but still some really good players, it just seems were more keen to get them off the wage bill.

For the summer you would think players like Hernandez, and Nani would be worth £10 million + each but it wouldn't surprise me if they go for peanuts too.
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Kagawa went back for £12 million Keane for a reported £3 million and Zaha for an initial £3 million as well so im not entirely sure where you have got your figures from
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I just find all these players leaving for peanuts a bit annoying, Anderson, Cleverley, Zaha, Evra, Kagawa, Lawrence, Henrique, Keane, Fletcher for a combined £15 million (roughly), yes a mixed bag there, but still some really good players, it just seems were more keen to get them off the wage bill.

For the summer you would think players like Hernandez, and Nani would be worth £10 million + each but it wouldn't surprise me if they go for peanuts too.
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I think they will. Hernandez definitely as he'll only have a year of his contract left come this summer. I reckon we'd get about £7m each.
 
Stobzilla said:
Kagawa went back for £12 million Keane for a reported £3 million and Zaha for an initial £3 million as well so im not entirely sure where you have got your figures from
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Kagawa went for around £6.3m
Evra £1.25m
Lawrence £1m
Keane £2-3m
Henriquez supposedly has a buyout clause for around £1m with his loan.
Fletch, Anderson and cleverly will go on a free.
 
Tom Cleverley, the lowest paid of the first team players, was easier to move in August because two clubs, Aston Villa and Everton, were prepared to pay him substantially more than the 30,000 pounds-a week he was on at Old Trafford. While that helped the player, his club still felt they had a saleable asset and a Premier League class standard player.

They wanted to sell him and get a transfer fee, not see him run his contract down and leave for free at the end of the season, when he'd then be able to negotiate far better terms for himself.

http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...als-in-a-quiet-transfer-window-for-man-united
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What amazing insight :lol: journalists get paid for this. It's unbelievable.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I just find all these players leaving for peanuts a bit annoying, Anderson, Cleverley, Zaha, Evra, Kagawa, Lawrence, Henrique, Keane, Fletcher for a combined £15 million (roughly), yes a mixed bag there, but still some really good players, it just seems were more keen to get them off the wage bill.

For the summer you would think players like Hernandez, and Nani would be worth £10 million + each but it wouldn't surprise me if they go for peanuts too.
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As a club both buying and selling we buy players for way over their prices compared to their quality, and our resale value on players is very pitiful as well

Dont know how they do it, but under Mourinho, he gets players for good money and sells them at great prices too
 
For a start, Chelsea have sold a load of players we wouldn't have.


Them selling De Bryune or Lukaku is like us selling Januzaj.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Was that ever confirmed? I thought it just ended up being a rumour?
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No it wasn't and the Dinamo boss/owner who claimed it was is meant to have previous for chatting bollocks. Some journalist on twitter said Henriquez told him he plans on coming back next season and feels he is better than Wilson. Think the tweet might be in the Henriquez thread.
 
Barca84 said:
Neither do I his stock is falling that fast. He's on the slippery slope to oblivion.
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I guess the dream of running the midfield of the World's greatest team is gone, anything after that would be a let down. He's clearly struggling for motivation, and if he can still earn £30-£50K a week for the next few years, at least he can secure his future. It's not very professional, granted, and anyway, have you seen his Mrs?
 
Has he actually done anything noteworthy at Villa?

Though that's harsh, considering Villa haven't done anything noteworthy at Villa for quiet some time.

wiz4231 said:
Cnutish from him to be honest. He know he will be in a better position to negotiate wages on a free.
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Yes, what a twat he is for trying to make more money for himself in his (relatively) short career as footballer, instead of trying to make money for Manchester United instead - a football club who don't want his services any longer.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
And not for the first time...

The intent was obviously to strong-arm Villa with the threat of taking a relatively important player out of their squad (whatever the opinions on here, he generally starts for them when fit) Of course, Villa know we couldn't loan him elsewhere and wouldn't want to pay the wages for a player who we don't need and will be letting go on a free at the end of the season. Unsurprisingly, Woody blinked first and Villa can have their cake and eat it.

I suspect getting fecked over in negotiations like this will be a theme so long as Woody is in charge. Until he learns the ropes anyway. He needs to realise that buying and selling players is very different to sniffing out sponsors for our shirt.
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The problem isn't Woodward; the problem is giving Cleverley around £60k (dependent on the source) a week in the first place despite him never really proving anything bar the odd game. In recent years we've had a slightly strange policy of giving massive pay hikes to player's who've only been performing for a very short period of time. We did it to Hernandez around 6 months after signing him, we also did it to Welbeck, Anderson, Smalling, Jones, Januzaj and to Cleverley when they hadn't proven to be quality player's.

Obviously this effects our ability to sell these players if they fall short, as the vast majority of their value is tied into their salary, rather than a transfer fee. You can bet that if Cleverley were on £20-30k a week Woodward would have had a queue of clubs looking to pay £5-10m for him in the Summer and we wouldn't even be discussing the possibility of him leaving on a free (see Spurs selling the likes of Naughton for £5m, Livermore for £8m, Huddlestone for £5m, Caulker for £8m). Most reports had Everton in for him, but unwilling to match his £60k weekly salary and pay the fee we wanted. In the end we were lucky to get a couple of £m loan fee out of Villa and them covering his salary.

There is a fine line between rewarding a player for showing form/promise and giving them a contract that says "you've made it", despite that being far from the truth, I think in recent years we've given our player's too much too soon. You look at Harry Kane just signing a 5.5 year contract at £30k a week and then look at the aforementioned list and think "what the hell were we thinking". Hopefully this'll change under Van Gaal; I'd much prefer to see a big disparity between the player's who have cemented themselves as quality first team regulars and those aspiring to be as such, I also think it'd be a big fat dangling carrot for player's to work their hardest to fulfill their potential.
 
finneh said:
The problem isn't Woodward; the problem is giving Cleverley around £60k (dependent on the source) a week in the first place despite him never really proving anything bar the odd game. In recent years we've had a slightly strange policy of giving massive pay hikes to player's who've only been performing for a very short period of time. We did it to Hernandez around 6 months after signing him, we also did it to Welbeck, Anderson, Smalling, Jones, Januzaj and to Cleverley when they hadn't proven to be quality player's.
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Yet if any one of them hadn't signed that new contract, we'd all have been up in arms about letting them get so close to the end of their previous contract without renewing. Have you already forgotten the drama when this place discovered Januzaj hadn't long left on his previous contract and the excitement when he renewed?
 
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