Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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I don't agree with the personal attacks but he has turned out to be a really poor footballer. At this rate of regression, he'll end up at a top half Championship club.
All this hate. Now you just need to see the pic of his missus and you'll have a fine day.
Attacking midfielder at an upper championship club would probably suit him. Can't see him making any serious impact at Everton so somewhere like Derby might be his next stop
That's armchair shrinks for you. He clearly has zero confidence right now. He's a far far better player than this.
I don't know about confidence but he was clearly all over the place last night. Didn't do any defending and was always caught high up the pitch. If that was Lambert's plan that he play further up then it is understandable but otherwise that was a shambolic performance from Cleverley.
I remember I posted something about how he was caught partying and dancing on the streets a day or two after United got knocked out of the Champions League last summer, and I got major slag along the lines of "personal private lives don't really matter."
Well, I'd say there's your evidence. You got guys like CR7 working like a slave to get to the level that they're at, and CR7 is starting from a much higher starting point, whereas you have Cleverley just putting in his hours on the training grounds, doing what is expected of him, but nothing more, nothing less - all while trying to have a good time. Well look how that's worked out for him. Maybe he should have lived like a monk for a year or two, he'd probably be a much better footballer now than he is currently. No sympathy for the lad, had the world at his feet and more opportunity than most of us will ever have, and wasted it away.
I just don't think that the upside people thought was there ever actually was.
He isn't an exceptional passer and that is the core element of his game. He isn't a goalscorer; he doesn't create a lot of chances and he isn't a great tackler. He doesn't have exceptional pace or strength and he isn't a intelligent player in terms of reading the game or positioning to make up for his lack of physical attributes in his position.
I am just curious as to where the potential actual was?
What are you talking about? Do you have some insight into exactly how hard Cleverley trains that the rest of us don't?
How do you know this exactly? Moyes said he was always the first out to training, and Martinez praised his attitude, work ethic and and mentality in training. Just because he isn't very good doesn't mean he isn't trying. I'm seriously baffled at the way people make things up on here to suit their agendas, then convince themselves it's the truth.
Some of the abuse he has received has been way out of order. He isn't very good, but he doesn't deserve any abuse. I never bought into the Cleverley hype but he did look a good prospect during his loan spell at Watford. He started his United career well but he became a victim of the Ando / Cleverley axis of hype (brought to you exclusively by RefCafe). Some people then preceded to compare him to the likes of Xavi and when he ultimately failed to reach these heights, he was slated and his confidence suffered.
I'm not sure what level he should be playing at and have no idea how his career will pan out. His career at a top level club and his international career is effectively over at 25. He badly needs to find a club that can give him his confidence back or he may well slip into obscurity.
I'm not sure what level he should be playing at and have no idea how his career will pan out. His career at a top level club and his international career is effectively over at 25. He badly needs to find a club that can give him his confidence back or he may well slip into obscurity.
yeah but he went out drinking that time
There is something that Cleverley does exceptionally well.
He allows us to see who on here is irrational and bitter.
He allows us to see who on here is irrational and bitter.
Yeah how could any of us know that? He always seemed to be trying his best to me, was usually knackered toward the end of the game. Maybe his flash haircut that slightly odd interview he did give people than impression idk.
It's truly amazing when you really think about it.
Could see him ending up in the Championship after Villa if I'm honest. Has failed to impress big time at Villa, he was booed at a few Villa games.
QPR when they go down beckons for our Tom I think. Which is a shame, because I don't think he is a bad footballer. He has decent technique, a good engine, the problem with him is more mental side of the game. Seems to never have any confidence whatsoever.
QPR when they go down beckons for our Tom I think. Which is a shame, because I don't think he is a bad footballer. He has decent technique, a good engine, the problem with him is more mental side of the game. Seems to never have any confidence whatsoever.
I never understood people getting angry about these things. Do you expect a player to mope around their house for days after suffering a loss? You think that would be a healthy way to cope? Professional athletes are not robots. Like most people professional athletes are going to like an occasional night out.
Fulham fans boo'd Bryan Ruiz, he was and still is their best player. Utd fans boo'd Ryan Giggs
In my opinion he was another victim of the massive hype which was present if not encouraged after the class of 92. Any player who was able to kick the ball straight was hailed the new this or the new that from Ronnie 'the new Steve Bruce' Wallwork to Philip 'the new Duncan Edwards' Jones passing right to Wes 'whose worth twice then Rio' Brown and the fat Brazilian who allegately shits on Fabregas and has more talent then Wayne Rooney.
The period between a players debut and his first few years are vital as the player need to grow up quickly in terms at all fronts (technically, physically and in terms of maturity). Hyping a player at that age is madness considering how much work he's yet to do in such short period of time.
The period between a players debut and his first few years are vital as the player need to grow up quickly in terms at all fronts (technically, physically and in terms of maturity). Hyping a player at that age is madness considering how much work he's yet to do in such short period of time.
Not looking good for him, Villa don't want him:
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...rt-man-united-to-recall-cleverley_202994.html
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...rt-man-united-to-recall-cleverley_202994.html
What are we calling him back? What good would that do.
It doesn't really say that they don't want him, just that we might recall him if they don't sign him, to try and put pressure on them to make the deal permanent.
Pressure Villa into buying him. I'd imagine the two Clubs may have had a gentleman's agreement that Villa no longer want to uphold - all guess work of course.
Perhaps, £7M would be good money if we could get it.
@RedMachine03 if they don't want him, or refuse to buy him, then we have to take him back until the end of the season.
Didn't the transfer go as a loan initially because we couldn't get all the paperwork done in time?
It all makes sense now, Villa have seen him in the team and want to renege..
Can't we loan him to another club if Villa don't want him? He might not get a Premiership side but surely there's a Championship club that'd take him on.
No, he's splayed for two Clubs this season.
A player cannot play for more than 2 teams in a year. This applies to Championship and abroad as well, I'm not really sure though.
It was always an odd deal, and makes you wonder whether Woody understands how football works.
Why expect Villa to avail of an option to pay £7m in January for a player they can get for nothing in June - unless Cleverley was sex on wheels and Villa were desperate to keep him, why would they fork over £7m; and why would Cleverley sign now and forgo a bigger payday in the summer?
Why expect Villa to avail of an option to pay £7m in January for a player they can get for nothing in June - unless Cleverley was sex on wheels and Villa were desperate to keep him, why would they fork over £7m; and why would Cleverley sign now and forgo a bigger payday in the summer?
Some of the replies in this thread..but not so different to the Villa fans.
It makes no sense, therefore it must have something to do with Manchester United.
Wow. As average as he became for us, he should be more than good enough for a team like villa. At his best, I would have thought he'd one of their better players. His confidence be completely gone.
If he's lacking confidence at the moment I'd suggest he's been lacking it for well over 2 years. He's not played well consistently in a long time. If it is a confidence thing then unfortunately for him you'd have to suggest he'll never make a top flight footballer as having confidence is an attribute you'd probably associate with that trade.
How many defend United? What I see is more everything thats wrong with the club these days. Anyway Cleverley looked good those few matches in 2011 but since he's not been near good enough.
If you're an attacking player, Villa isn't exactly the best place to kickstart your career. It seems every time I come across a Villa game on TV it always says 'AVL 0' on the screen.
Liked him when he was first with us but he badly needs to sort out his game. Don't know where that might happen.
Liked him when he was first with us but he badly needs to sort out his game. Don't know where that might happen.
He might have to drop down a division to be honest. He's been playing so badly for so long I don't know if any Premiership team would want him. He offers absolutely nothing, he seems to be below average at every aspect of the game.
Outside of that initial month or two when he broke into the first team he's been pretty poor.
Outside of that initial month or two when he broke into the first team he's been pretty poor.
No sooner we get rid of the largest piece of driftwood in the squad and it looks like a similar piece is about to return.
I hope he doesn't come back, it wouldn't be good for either party. He won't get game time yet he may potentially stop younger players a space on the bench (LvG being as he is).
Don't see why the club doesn't just try and terminate his contact and let him sign for someone else. We won't get much of a fee is window.
I hope he doesn't come back, it wouldn't be good for either party. He won't get game time yet he may potentially stop younger players a space on the bench (LvG being as he is).
Don't see why the club doesn't just try and terminate his contact and let him sign for someone else. We won't get much of a fee is window.
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