Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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Expect him to join Everton in the summer, villa move was just a way of getting him off the wage bill with a small chance of a fee. He just isn't good enough, he never has been some people just got too carried away with 3 or 4 good performances.

Will only be a backup at Everton but if he prefers that to playing regularly at a side in the bottom half then fair enough but he may well be playing in the championship before he turns 30.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Yes, what a twat he is for trying to make more money for himself in his (relatively) short career as footballer, instead of trying to make money for Manchester United instead - a football club who don't want his services any longer.
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I don't know if your being sarcastic or not but we stuck by him for a fair few years while he obviously crap but gave him time to develop regardless to ability. He had an offer to join Everton for a fee but lower wages and refused, ended up going to villa on loan with a gentleman's agreement that hasn't gone though and that more Likely because of him than anyone else. On a free he will be in control what he can get in wages, the cheap twat.
 
wiz4231 said:
I don't know if your being sarcastic or not but we stuck by him for a fair few years while he obviously crap but gave him time to develop regardless to ability. He had an offer to join Everton for a fee but lower wages and refused, ended up going to villa on loan with a gentleman's agreement that hasn't gone though and that more Likely because of him than anyone else. On a free he will be in control what he can get in wages, the cheap twat.
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:lol:

You need to take a step into the real world.
 
Honestly I think he isnt good enough for Everton. However, if they lose McCarthy or Barkley then he isnt bad to get on a free.

Dont see the reason for the hate on here - Cleverley is simply a player who isnt good enough. His contract is running out and we dont want to renew it, so he is leaving. Whats the big problem?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
:lol:

You need to take a step into the real world.
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Lol, I am in the real world, I live by principals and I don't bite the hand that feeds. It just goes to the character of the lad, he's a sell out.
He's from Bradford right, says it all
 
wiz4231 said:
Lol, I am in the real world, I live by principals and I don't bite the hand that feeds. It just goes to the character of the lad, he's a sell out.
He's from Bradford right, says it all
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What on earth is that meant to mean?

His character is that he's a sensible human being, who is doing whats best for him and his family by trying to make as much money as possible in what is a relatively short career as a professional footballer. It's completely logical and it makes 100% sense.

If United wanted a fee for him, they should have extended his contract years ago.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yet if any one of them hadn't signed that new contract, we'd all have been up in arms about letting them get so close to the end of their previous contract without renewing. Have you already forgotten the drama when this place discovered Januzaj hadn't long left on his previous contract and the excitement when he renewed?
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Obviously there's a fine balance between losing good prospects and paying competitively. However would Cleverley/Welbeck/Hernandez really have left if our final offer were for £30-40k a week instead of £60-70k? The fact that player's of similar talent aren't being paid that kind of salary elsewhere and that United has a reputation for standing by their youth player's suggests that they'd still sign.

As I said Spurs seem to have a pretty good system. They don't seem to regularly have good prospects leave for low value, but also don't seem to end up paying someone like Kane £60-70k a week after half a season of good performances. The problem is of course that you set a precedent. If Hernandez signs a deal for £80k a week, Welbeck/Cleverley/Anderson/Januzaj are all going to push for a similar fee.

We either watch what we are offering these type of player's more carefully, or accept that we're going to have some demotivated players sat on large contracts, with no buyers who will take them off our hands. We certainly can't have our cake and eat it. Obviously a key part of this is not letting the contracts of our young talented player's run down so that we are in a stupid position of "pay over the odds or let them go on a free".
 
finneh said:
Obviously there's a fine balance between losing good prospects and paying competitively. However would Cleverley/Welbeck/Hernandez really have left if our final offer were for £30-40k a week instead of £60-70k? The fact that player's of similar talent aren't being paid that kind of salary elsewhere and that United has a reputation for standing by their youth player's suggests that they'd still sign.

As I said Spurs seem to have a pretty good system. They don't seem to regularly have good prospects leave for low value, but also don't seem to end up paying someone like Kane £60-70k a week after half a season of good performances. The problem is of course that you set a precedent. If Hernandez signs a deal for £80k a week, Welbeck/Cleverley/Anderson/Januzaj are all going to push for a similar fee.

We either watch what we are offering these type of player's more carefully, or accept that we're going to have some demotivated players sat on large contracts, with no buyers who will take them off our hands. We certainly can't have our cake and eat it. Obviously a key part of this is not letting the contracts of our young talented player's run down so that we are in a stupid position of "pay over the odds or let them go on a free".
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Strange timing to be bigging up Spurs's salary structure when they've spent this transfer window desperately trying to find someone who will take Adebayor off their hands on loan. Even offering to pay well over 50% of his salary, before being stuck paying 100k/week for someone who simply can't be arsed. Not to mention trying to offload at least some of Lennon's salary by sending a clearly unhappy player to Everton and finding it so difficult to shift BAE that he ran down every last month of his salary before walking out a free agent.

No club gets it consistently right when it comes to contracts and wages. You have to bear in mind that Spurs are a much smaller club. Hence the salaries tend to be lower, across the board. That just reflects the huge difference in turnover between the two clubs. Players that play for Manchester United should expect to be better rewarded than those at Spurs. We're a bigger, wealthier club. That's part of the reason why we've been able to sign their best players a couple of times in the not too distant past.
 
look at the poor Aston Villa midfield stats, just awful. He will struggle at Everton, still too challenging level for him.

19 games, 0 goals, 0 assists
 
red_7 said:
look at the poor Aston Villa midfield stats, just awful. He will struggle at Everton, still too challenging level for him.

19 games, 0 goals, 0 assists
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Not a great indicator seeing how profligate in front of goal Villa have been this season.

What about chances created?
 
and if that doesn't work then what about the chance he made to a guy who made a chance?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Strange timing to be bigging up Spurs's salary structure when they've spent this transfer window desperately trying to find someone who will take Adebayor off their hands on loan. Even offering to pay well over 50% of his salary, before being stuck paying 100k/week for someone who simply can't be arsed. Not to mention trying to offload at least some of Lennon's salary by sending a clearly unhappy player to Everton and finding it so difficult to shift BAE that he ran down every last month of his salary before walking out a free agent.

No club gets it consistently right when it comes to contracts and wages. You have to bear in mind that Spurs are a much smaller club. Hence the salaries tend to be lower, across the board. That just reflects the huge difference in turnover between the two clubs. Players that play for Manchester United should expect to be better rewarded than those at Spurs. We're a bigger, wealthier club. That's part of the reason why we've been able to sign their best players a couple of times in the not too distant past.
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I think the difference is that Lennon, BEA and Adebayor were "proven" when they signed their contracts; they had the performances under their belt to justify being among their best earners. If they were 23-24 year olds who had shown a bit of promise and were rewarded with their current contracts you'd have a point. There is a difference between someone turning shite due to injury or mental weakness and paying someone the salary of what you expect they will become, before they've become it.

Of course we should pay better, I just don't believe we should pay better across the board. Our promising 20 year olds should not be paid better than Spurs', because they haven't proven themselves to be better. Obviously it's a case by case basis and special player's should be paid their market rate; I just don't agree with the likes of Cleverley earning a huge salary merely because they were the best of a mediocre bunch of youth team player's at that time and therefore got a chance in the first team.

The only difference between United and Spurs should be that you can go from earning £5k a week to £500k a week if you're good enough, rather than £5k to £150k. Not that you're automatically paid twice what an equally talented Spurs player earns, just because your employer is richer.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
What on earth is that meant to mean?

His character is that he's a sensible human being, who is doing whats best for him and his family by trying to make as much money as possible in what is a relatively short career as a professional footballer. It's completely logical and it makes 100% sense.

If United wanted a fee for him, they should have extended his contract years ago.
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Extend his contract?? That's why we were stuck with him for years in the first place....
I'm from Bradford, I know what people are like here....
 
red_devil83 said:
He made a run in the match vs Arsenal. They showed it on MotD!
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Get in!!!

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Late to the party as I watched a recording.

What caught my eye was his movement and positioning. He'd drift into a little space, and the defender would take a couple of steps and have him covered. Cleverly would glance over, see himself marked and just stay there. The whole time he was on the pitch he did this. Absolute passenger. He made them even more static than they would otherwise be--no mean feat, that.

He didn't track back or trouble anyone that had the ball. He was pretty much just there.

His passing was maybe a little more adventurous than we've seen of late, but nothing eye catching.

I am still lost how he got to this point. I don't think he could stand out in the Championship at this point. Surely he's depressed. He hasn't shown much that a decent League 1 footballer couldn't. It's sad.
 
That Anderson Cleverly partnership of 8 games is beginning to look like some weird twilight zone ish.
 
Saw him today against Chelsea and it is hard to recognize the guy from 3 years ago.

He seems to have gone the same way of Jones, Greening, Richardson and co. Looked to have promise but once they get to the top level they don't have the confidence or competency to stay at that level.
 
krazyrobus said:
That Anderson Cleverly partnership of 8 games is beginning to look like some weird twilight zone ish.
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Anderson was actually a good player at times. With Cleverley, that initial adrenaline rush and eagerness to impress when he first got into the team made him raise his level. Possible that oppostion found him out after that too I guess. To be fair even in that spell he didn't do THAT much it was just that he looked confident and positive on the ball which was impressive given he was new to the team. Kevin Shithouse Davies didn't do him any favours but it wasn't like he broke his leg and put him out for a year, he was out for like 4 months IIRC
 
It was funny on MOTD that Murphy seemed to think Cleverley choosing a safe sideways pass when he had two forward options on was down to confidence, he mustn't have watched TC23 very often.
 
Cleverley was OK but I always felt Anderson, on his good days, made a huge difference - much more than Cleverley. Just having that burst of energy and power through the middle and the eye for a clever pass (I did say on his good days) were big additions we've been sorely lacking in midfield for the past few years, partly because Anderson's only shown glimpses of it.

So, he had a few of those games at the start of 2011/12, which was a big reason for us and that midfield looking good and attractive. It was never going to last as a partnership because it wasn't sound defensively.

Just goes to show how much we've missed in the last few years by not trying to replace Anderson with someone who could offer those abilities on a regular basis. City, meanwhile, got Toure.
 
Sammyjunn said:
A few months ago, the majority thought he was better than Fellaini xd.
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fergie thought he was better than going into the transfer market for a real midfielder. and he's supposed to know better.we had both of those sh!t bombs in the team at the same time , jesus wept
 
Reminds me of Kieran richardson in a way. Seemed to do more work to get into the team then once in the team seemed to think he had made it.

Will always remember when he came on as a sub at Wembley and helped turn the 2-0 deficit into a 3-2 win (was involved in that sexy Nani goal)
 
feck me, it comes to something when a manager has to try and justify picking you in one of the worst performing sides of the past 10 years.

He needs to sort himself out or he could spend the next 5 years plummeting down the leagues into further obscurity.
 
I still maintain he's a good player. Not a great one like we'd hoped but his confidence is through the floor and he's playing in a genuinely awful side. He'll move to Everton in the summer and look much better.
 
Hes not that good, funny that
 
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