Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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limerickcitykid said:
I'm sorry but this is completely fecking stupid. So players shouldn't talk and ask for the ball? They should be silent and expect everything to happen telepathically because talking uses up so much energy? feck me, he should stop asking for the ball to feet. Mind blowing training right there.
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you need to watch football. go and watch the best players play and see how often they point to their feet and ask for the ball - how often scholes, xavi, iniesta, zidane did it. and then go watch cleverley do it as if its pathological. and then come back and we can have a discussion about how players should ask for the ball and how cleverleys hands perpetually pointing to his feet is probably not the right way to ask for the ball.
 
shivab said:
you need to watch football. go and watch the best players play and see how often they point to their feet and ask for the ball - how often scholes, xavi, iniesta, zidane did it. and then go watch cleverley do it as if its pathological. and then come back and we can have a discussion about how players should ask for the ball and how cleverleys hands perpetually pointing to his feet is probably not the right way to ask for the ball.
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never played or coached have you?
 
Stack said:
never played or coached have you?
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have..i know that making yourself available for a pass and asking for it is different from always yelling at players while pointing at your feet. never watched cleverley play have you?
 
shivab said:
have..i know that making yourself available for a pass and asking for it is different from always yelling at players while pointing at your feet. never watched cleverley play have you?
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clearly you have never played. Stick to playing FIFA14
 
Stack said:
clearly you have never played. Stick to playing FIFA14
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yes you know me personally so you would know that.?!! its funny how people here have trouble making a coherent argument without trying to insult people.
 


This video reminds me of what we all saw in Tom. When he's playing well he's such a good pass and move player with such good energy. Hope he comes back to us able to influence games like this again. The diamond and it's fluidity was made for him
 
Crashoutcassius said:


This video reminds me of what we all saw in Tom. When he's playing well he's such a good pass and move player with such good energy. Hope he comes back to us able to influence games like this again. The diamond and it's fluidity was made for him
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The mobility was completely sucked out of the midfield in the last few seasons. I honestly think he could do a pretty good job with our current setup deputizing for the midfielders advanced of the anchor. Herrera or Di Maria. That anchor itself needs to be more of a mobile player than Fletcher and Carrick.
 
does anyone really think he will come back? I cant see it, especially after probably going for Strootman. He wont be happy to be a squad player here, he will go to Everton or another midtable Premier league club. In his place i would go to a La Liga club or Bundesliga club, some clubs will surely have interest in him from these countries.
 
izec said:
does anyone really think he will come back? I cant see it, especially after probably going for Strootman. He wont be happy to be a squad player here, he will go to Everton or another midtable Premier league club. In his place i would go to a La Liga club or Bundesliga club, some clubs will surely have interest in him from these countries.
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Of course he isn't coming back. We wanted to flog him but only had loan offers. He's out of contract in July and can talk to clubs in January. Hes gone. Thank god.
 
Pexbo said:
Of course he isn't coming back. We wanted to flog him but only had loan offers. He's out of contract in July and can talk to clubs in January. Hes gone. Thank god.
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Just replied to the guys before me, they seem hopeful of him coming back. I dont want him near our team too. He had his chance and failed miserably.
 
izec said:
does anyone really think he will come back? I cant see it, especially after probably going for Strootman. He wont be happy to be a squad player here, he will go to Everton or another midtable Premier league club. In his place i would go to a La Liga club or Bundesliga club, some clubs will surely have interest in him from these countries.
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Theoretically it can happen. The club might offer him a contract if he does play well for Villa, who knows? I mean it isn't going to stone wall happen. He was hung out to dry a little bit last year by Carrick playing this hand holder role for the two CB's and being asked to do literally the entire middle third pressing and defending and when we had the ball he was often left isolated by Carrick who refused to show for any kind of return pass on the quick one two transition. Then I think he was torn off the line and dragged behind the shed by the dog in this 3-5-2 system that misfired with Fletcher. He did more defensive work in the Sunderland game than the actual deep lying defensive midfielder. (Fletch)

I don't see why he couldn't deputize like I said for Herrera and Di Maria. The way the contract and the loan have panned out he's virtually backed into a corner now and more than likely leaving.
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Hes gone. Thank god.
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Fashion statement.
 
Put in a few Beckham-esque set pieces today. One that should have resulted in a goal. Since Arsenal scored 3 goals, they've controlled the game, and he hasn't really seen much of the ball.
 
Was he injured towards the end? Hard to tell the difference to be honest. Villa's about his level - hope he never comes back.
 
Didn't stand out in a distinctly average Villa midfield, selling this guy is going to be a challenge.
 
The only player for Villa who shouldn't be too disheartened with his performance on the day. He was decent.
Positive with his passing, secure on the ball, involved in a good bit of whatever play Villa had, and the most active defensively of all the midfielders.
 
krazyrobus said:
Didn't stand out in a distinctly average Villa midfield, selling this guy is going to be a challenge.
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Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game or just come in here to make the usual fashion statement comment about how hard it will be to sell him, passed sideways, cowardice etc. I mean even more daft that we won't be selling him seeing as he's out of contract at the end of the season. So, well played there.

He actually played really well. The extra responsibility that he has now is making him a little more free, he wanted to take people on and take the ball forward whenever possible and also play those snap pass one twos on the counter and surprisingly enough people were actually passing back to him after his advance. A few solid deliveries into the box as well which is a bit of a change in his game, had not really known him to be solid over a stationary ball. This three man role is going to help him alot and if he can maintain his form and not get bogged down if the team start to decline as a unit then he'll have gone some way to getting back some of his lost credit.
 
He'll be at Everton next year. Martinez loves him and will give him a chance.
 
Smoke On the Water said:
Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game or just come in here to make the usual fashion statement comment about how hard it will be to sell him, passed sideways, cowardice etc. I mean even more daft that we won't be selling him seeing as he's out of contract at the end of the season. So, well played there.

He actually played really well. The extra responsibility that he has now is making him a little more free, he wanted to take people on and take the ball forward whenever possible and also play those snap pass one twos on the counter and surprisingly enough people were actually passing back to him after his advance. A few solid deliveries into the box as well which is a bit of a change in his game, had not really known him to be solid over a stationary ball. This three man role is going to help him alot and if he can maintain his form and not get bogged down if the team start to decline as a unit then he'll have gone some way to getting back some of his lost credit.
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He's always had quite a mean cross on him, but rarely got to try it for us.
FujiVice said:
He'll be at Everton next year. Martinez loves him and will give him a chance.
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Odds on, gotta be.
 
Smoke On the Water said:
Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game or just come in here to make the usual fashion statement comment about how hard it will be to sell him, passed sideways, cowardice etc. I mean even more daft that we won't be selling him seeing as he's out of contract at the end of the season. So, well played there.

He actually played really well. The extra responsibility that he has now is making him a little more free, he wanted to take people on and take the ball forward whenever possible and also play those snap pass one twos on the counter and surprisingly enough people were actually passing back to him after his advance. A few solid deliveries into the box as well which is a bit of a change in his game, had not really known him to be solid over a stationary ball. This three man role is going to help him alot and if he can maintain his form and not get bogged down if the team start to decline as a unit then he'll have gone some way to getting back some of his lost credit.
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1 good free kick, a few decent corners. He was in a midfield that had 29% possession the whole match and contributed 2 shots on target, 1 of which was his set piece delivery. Yeah that's a good match...

Only thing else I remember from him was failing to pick up Welbeck in the lead up to goal one when Welbeck dropped into midfield to pick up the ball and the other midfielders were pressing.

Maybe I am suffering confirmation bias and only remembering his non moments but as I said, did not stand out for me in average midfield. At least Delph drove forward and produced the only other shot on target when Villa has some impetus.
 
He's been tut in this match. If he thinks he's going to get loads of clubs after him as a free agent next summer he needs to think again because he's no good.
 
I barely noticed he was on the pitch. Harsh/difficult to judge while he's playing in that game plan though
 
He wasnt that bad in that match. City dominated the midfield and were very tight at the back. This is a match for defensive midfielders (for villa) to shine in my opinion. He did delivered one very good cross for Weimann.

I think villa lost that match due to the removal of Richardson and Nzogbia. They were wasteful indeed, but they kept City midfielders back a bit.
 
Once I heard his name three times in15 seconds or so, before he pit a cross in which weimamn missed. That probably was his best spell in the match.
 
I'm starting to think he's not even good for the likes of Villa. It's disgraceful at times when he walks around the pitch like Cristiano fecking Ronaldo!
 
Just seen the Toure goal on MotD and Cleverley has to do more there. I've never really had a problem with Tom because even if he didn't play well for us he always tried his best but looked like he didn't care there. One of those moments where your average punter from the street could have done better simply by making a nuisance of themselves.
 
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