Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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I am definitely going against the bizarre angry pitchfork mob abuse mentality and I think he has more to offer. I would be pretty disappointed if he was sold. Especially so if we don't have players lined up to come in. It would erase a bit of the feeling of watching youngsters grow and be nurtured by the club and go on to be memorable footballers. We are losing a little bit of that. Tom's breakthrough at Watford and Wigan. His defiance and eventual starting lineup berth and his injury and recovery. I certainly don't think he's as terrible as this rotten thread suggests but I would not be disappointed if he stayed and I sure as hell hope we have replacements lined up if he goes.
See before Sunderland I was a lot like you, I really wanted Cleverley to kick on and really thought under LvG he would flourish. However, I just think he's quite a limited player who's spent a lot of his time trying to find where he could play to his fullest at a top club but it just hasn't happened.

I think we need to start trimming the rubbish we have in the squad and tbh cleverleys name is definitely up there
 
anderson didn't play that bad, that was powell who was clueless. We have some "options" in Jones, Mata, Anderson, Pereira. not convincing tho..

Powell was worse, but Anderson's still not really ideal in a game we need to win. Jones can do a job but we really need him in defence and Mata wouldn't be in his best roll. Then we're on to fringe players.

Anyway, this discussion is best saved for the match thread.
 
Hey Tom....


TXL
 
You really are a sucker for media crap. In an interview he was directly asked 'do you think you're a Van Gaal player?'. He said 'yeah I think I could be', he didn't just blurt out that he was that, he replied that he thought he could be. Just like the 'more appreciated in Spain' thing. Ollie Holt asked him that exact question and he said maybe he would be. What's he supposed to say to those questions? Nah I'm not a Van Gaal player? They're leading questions asked to produce a headline and you've fallen for it, like so many others seem to have.

And you're contradicting yourself about the underconfidence thing. You say someone under confident would take their chance? What's that meant to mean? Surely if you're lacking confidence, and 'nervous' as you then went on to call it, you're less likely to produce your best form? If he was this arrogant jumped up kid you seem to think he is, surely rather than playing nervously he'd be selfish or try Hollywood passes, yet the absolute opposite has been happening with Cleverley. He's been struggling for while, quite obviously, with confidence. You've denied it but contradicted yourself completely above.

And the clothing brand thing, that's a really bizarre thing to get annoyed about. I understand people thinking it's a bit daft and he's hardly going to sell like Beckham but why does it matter? He doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the box and he's trying to make the most of a short career at the most supported sports club in the world. You're genuinely annoyed at that?

You're letting tabloid newspapers and your opinion of him as a player utterly cloud your view of him as a person. He had a good start but isn't quite good enough and is now moving on. Good luck to him, I liked the lad.

I'm not going to debate with you regarding the confidence thing, because we're clearly both not going to move from that. With the clothing brand, yes I am annoyed with that. Not because he's doing it, but because he's doing it so young when he should be focusing on his football. He broke into the first team after one season and thought THAT was a good time to start a clothing brand. You can think it's not a big deal, but I do. A young footballer shouldn't even be thinking about that at 20/21/22. I find it annoying and over-confident if you ask me. We're going to disagree once again on this, so I guess there was no point me saying this but ah well.

I'll admit defeat in the media twisting his words thing. Fine. But I still think he became complacent after his first season at the club and went into auto-pilot. He's an average player, but the fact he's practically made no effort in trying to prove otherwise when on the field. When you're fighting for a place at the club, and you surely know that the fans aren't on your side and during a transfer window, you DO NOT stop tracking back or slow down like he did against Sunderland. It's one moment, but it's a moment that epitomizes his last couple of seasons for us.

I wish him good luck too. It's not great seeing a youth product fail at the club, but fact is he is just not good enough. I won't care that he leaves simply because he's been a passenger for too long (not as long as Anderson, but ah well).
 
Can't have a laugh, can we? Don't be so dramatic, I'm sure Don's just taking the piss.
There is a line between 'having a laugh' and being downright disrespectful. Is this what fans fans find funny these days? Telling their own teams players to 'get the feck out'. Maybe I am just old school and like a bit of wit in my humour.

This reminds me of that baseballer in the US who was in the booth and his portrait was getting booed and trashtalked by fans then he'd step out of the booth and the fan would break down and go 'WOWWWW oh my god...' shake his hand in awe and eventually get an autograph. Same complete garbage up in here.

Of all the useless, money wasting, parasitic, clueless, ineffective, responsibility shirking, mouth breathers we have at the club, he is the worst.
You utter embarrassment.
 
Yes, I'd like a bit of clarification on why the tag has been removed from the thread.

Just having a read back through - my god some of you are embarrassing. 'Doing happy a dance', 'best day of my life', 'best day of the transfer window'. You utter, utter cretins. Abominable.

You mad? The sooner he leaves the better it will be for all parties concerned. LVG is not going to play him. Rubbish player be gone! Be gone I say!
 
Yes, I'd like a bit of clarification on why the tag has been removed from the thread.

Just having a read back through - my god some of you are embarrassing. 'Doing happy a dance', 'best day of my life', 'best day of the transfer window'. You utter, utter cretins. Abominable.

You should really stop talking about yourself in such a manner.
 
There is a line between 'having a laugh' and being downright disrespectful. Is this what fans fans find funny these days? Telling their own teams players to 'get the feck out'. Maybe I am just old school and like a bit of wit in my humour.

This reminds me of that baseballer in the US who was in the booth and his portrait was getting booed and trashtalked by fans then he'd step out of the booth and the fan would break down and go 'WOWWWW oh my god...' shake his hand in awe and eventually get an autograph. Same complete garbage up in here.

You utter embarrassment.
Keep your hair on. I've always liked Cleverley as a player, I'm so sad to see him stagnate, I want him to move throught the fear and play as I know he's capable of playing.

If with us, I'm delighted. If it means he has to move on, I'm also happy with that. Stop pontificating.
 
Keep your hair on. I've always liked Cleverley as a player, I'm so sad to see him stagnate, I want him to move throught the fear and play as I know he's capable of playing.

If with us, I'm delighted. If it means he has to move on, I'm also happy with that. Stop pontificating.
I don't think I was personally insulting you, I agree and I think there are many who want him to succeed, there is only one way he can though and that is game time, confidence, goals and actually getting stuck in. I am all for saying he's down at the moment and even that the future is quite bleak but laying the boot in and blindly abusing him and saying he'll never succeed and he'll never be good enough is just embarrassing. The fans are putting themselves in a position where if he does go on to turn it all around - what then? They back pedal and say 'it was all a bit of fun, you know?..' or something. The jokes are one thing but the abuse is unnecessary.

By all means, go on and have a laugh but lets not pretend just downright abuse is all a bit of fun. I believe I have stepped in between the pitchforks to say this so I will step out of the way and let everyone 'have their fun'.
 
I really hope he does well at Everton or Villa. There is a decent player in there somewhere. Hopefully the downgrade will make him more aware of his limitations and get him the motivation to improve himself.

Also, hear rumours that his people had approached the club for a contract extension and pay rise. What were they thinking? :confused:
 
What a dramatic idiot you are, they were obviously joking. Why are you on a internet forum if you can't bear such things? Is every single post of yours from now on going to be a insult/rant about someone?
Nah, I wasn't joking. I will likely do a small dance of celebration when Cleverley leaves the club, the goddamn scrounger/professional footballer impersonator. Sentimentalists who think every fecking player who walks through the doors of OT deserves 100000 chances are what's filled our squad with dross. GET. RID.
 
Nah, I wasn't joking. I will likely do a small dance of celebration when Cleverley leaves the club, the goddamn scrounger/professional footballer impersonator. Sentimentalists who think every fecking player who walks through the doors of OT deserves 100000 chances are what's filled our squad with dross. GET. RID.

We need like buttons on here. LIKE
 
Just having a read back through - my god some of you are embarrassing. 'Doing happy a dance', 'best day of my life', 'best day of the transfer window'. You utter, utter cretins. Abominable.
Utter garbage.
There is a line between 'having a laugh' and being downright disrespectful. Is this what fans fans find funny these days? Telling their own teams players to 'get the feck out'. Maybe I am just old school and like a bit of wit in my humour.

This reminds me of that baseballer in the US who was in the booth and his portrait was getting booed and trashtalked by fans then he'd step out of the booth and the fan would break down and go 'WOWWWW oh my god...' shake his hand in awe and eventually get an autograph. Same complete garbage up in here.

You utter embarrassment.

Quite the meltdown. You really do love the word utter don't you
 
Yes, I'd like a bit of clarification on why the tag has been removed from the thread.

Just having a read back through - my god some of you are embarrassing. 'Doing happy a dance', 'best day of my life', 'best day of the transfer window'. You utter, utter cretins. Abominable.
:lol: Thats great
 
fecking hell I just realized Cleverley only has a year left on his contract. If he had 3 years or so I wouldn't expect us to get more then 5m, how the feck have we managed to get 9m for Tom Cleverley with just 1 year left on his contract?? :lol:
 
fecking hell I just realized Cleverley only has a year left on his contract. If he had 3 years or so I wouldn't expect us to get more then 5m, how the feck have we managed to get 9m for Tom Cleverley with just 1 year left on his contract?? :lol:

Same way we got 4m for Buttner. Honestly, though considering his exalted status as an England international this fee is par.
 
Same way we got 4m for Buttner. Honestly, though considering his exalted status as an England international this fee is par.
Yes but 1 year left on his contract you'd think hed go for a lot less. We got Kagawa for like 12m, van Persie for 24m and Madrid got kroos for 25m. The latter 2 are players who normally would go for 40m + but went for 15m less pretty much.

I'm not saying cleverley will never be worth that much, he'll probably become a very decent player, but after our history of selling players for ridiculously cheap, perhaps the most criticised one is being sold for more then he's worth at the moment. Just surprising really.
 
You utter embarrassment.

Jesus you're like a hysterical child, throwing a tantrum because the rest of the class didn't like your shit painting.
I'm more than entitled to be happy about absolute dross, finally leaving the club. I wouldn't mind so much if a player was just a bit crap, but tried his heart out and wasn't afraid to get stuck in or make something happen. I mean I quite like Darren Fletcher and at best, apart from a season or two, he's just an average player...but at least he has a pair of balls. Cleverley's lack of confidence on the ball and complete unwillingness to run at or try and boss the opposition midfield has been evident for some time, now and I'm fecked if I want a player like that taking up space at the club. That very scenario has been our downfall for far too many seasons now.

So, now you've been utterly bested by an utterly superior poster, which must be utterly embarrassing for you, so why don't you just quietly sneak off into utter obscurity.
 
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