Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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.Rossi said:
Whats this about him wanting to stay and leave on a free in the summer?!
Saw it on Twitter that's his preferred move
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The word is he'd get a better sign on bonus as a free player. Makes sense. I want him gone before Monday!
 
Waltraute said:
The rumours of negotiations are true. It's not a done deal, though. Cleverley will have to agree. I can't see why he's stalling, I thought he'd be out like a rat up a drainpipe, given the chance.
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So there's still a chance we can send Ashley Young back as a makeweight.
 
So it was bollocks then? Maybe Lambert signed in to the Villa forum and read what the fans thought of it.
 
iBoss said:
Villa is probably the worst he could do. If I was him, I'd probably wait it out as well. The worst that could happen is that Villa still want him.
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Sit on the bench, pick up easy money and get a big signing on bonus in the summer...As opposed to playing football.

Game's gone mad
 
I think this wont not go through until after Saturday as we still may need him for the Burnley match.
 
Gannicus said:
Tom had great promise but something got inside his head after the Davies scythe to his knee and he was never the same footballer again.
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Forgot about that, that fecking prick :mad: Felt like Cleverley was showing marked improvements game after game in that period... and Anderson, too!
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Pah. Underconfidence my ass. I only need to take the Sunderland game as example that he was way too comfortable with himself. If you're under-confident and playing for United - what do you do? You take the opportunity you are given to gain that confidence. In the Summer he said that he believes he's "LVG's type of player". Oh really Tom? Then fecking show it then. You don't just go back into a shell and play the same way he's been doing for years by offering nothing to our midfield.

I mentioned that he did well on his loan, and I was very impressed by that. I also said he started off brightly. Maybe this was all his honeymoon period at the club where everything was rosey. Some people have long honeymoon periods, others only have a few matches like Macheda.

He was nervous before Moyes. It's absolute bollocks over the Moyes-bashing. He's to blame for stuff, but not fecking everything. It's pathetic. He's never been a creative player, and neither has he been a player who offers a drive in midfield.

Yes I do have a problem with that. David Beckham 7, CR7, Ferdinand's #5. You don't do it when you've just broken the first team. It says a lot that as soon as he became comfortable of being part of United's first team, he decides it's a good time to bring out a clothing brand. Who thinks it's a good idea for a 20/21 year old footballer to be distracted with a clothing brand? It's pathetic. You can think it's not a big deal, but it's ridiculous.

I hate seeing a Youth product fail, but he's the one that's annoyed me the most. He gives half-arsed performances, and hasn't taken advantages of the chances he's received. Sunderland was the last straw for me. It was the game that portrayed that he has no defining qualities what so ever, and that he really isn't close to being United quality. I'm still fuming with how he stopped running when Buckley had the ball. I've mentioned it about 5 times now, and I know I sound like a broken record but I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. A player who labels himself a "LVG player", gets given a chance and then stops tracking back during an important stage of the game.

Defend him all you want, heck you're already defending him better than how he defends. But I'm glad he's going.
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You really are a sucker for media crap. In an interview he was directly asked 'do you think you're a Van Gaal player?'. He said 'yeah I think I could be', he didn't just blurt out that he was that, he replied that he thought he could be. Just like the 'more appreciated in Spain' thing. Ollie Holt asked him that exact question and he said maybe he would be. What's he supposed to say to those questions? Nah I'm not a Van Gaal player? They're leading questions asked to produce a headline and you've fallen for it, like so many others seem to have.

And you're contradicting yourself about the underconfidence thing. You say someone under confident would take their chance? What's that meant to mean? Surely if you're lacking confidence, and 'nervous' as you then went on to call it, you're less likely to produce your best form? If he was this arrogant jumped up kid you seem to think he is, surely rather than playing nervously he'd be selfish or try Hollywood passes, yet the absolute opposite has been happening with Cleverley. He's been struggling for while, quite obviously, with confidence. You've denied it but contradicted yourself completely above.

And the clothing brand thing, that's a really bizarre thing to get annoyed about. I understand people thinking it's a bit daft and he's hardly going to sell like Beckham but why does it matter? He doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the box and he's trying to make the most of a short career at the most supported sports club in the world. You're genuinely annoyed at that?

You're letting tabloid newspapers and your opinion of him as a player utterly cloud your view of him as a person. He had a good start but isn't quite good enough and is now moving on. Good luck to him, I liked the lad.
 
Someone at United needs to bully him, he has to go.
 
.Rossi said:
In fairness, we've had Eric, Robbo, Keane, Irwin, Stam, Bruce, Neville, Butt, Ince, Scholes, Hughes, McClair, Johnson to name a few, who have delivered far worse tackles in the past....
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Absolutely, I just agreed upthread that he wasn't the same after, like something got knocked out of him. Might be pure bollocks, though. What everyone can agree on, I think, is that right now he's got no confidence whatsoever. Would I prefer for him to sort it out here and emerge as the player we know he can be? Of course. I just don't see it, hence my being happy if the Villa deal went through.
 
.Rossi said:
Sit on the bench, pick up easy money and get a big signing on bonus in the summer...As opposed to playing football.

Game's gone mad
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To be honest I don't think he'd get much game time even at Villa and especially Everton. He has a lot of other same level players at those clubs for competition. I kinda feel for the guy, he's simply not good enough. Very fortunate to have come this far at United.
 
Would be fantastic if it wasn't true. If he goes then hopefully to Martinez' Everton and I don't care if they pay us much less than Aston Villa!
 
I am definitely going against the bizarre angry pitchfork mob abuse mentality and I think he has more to offer. I would be pretty disappointed if he was sold. Especially so if we don't have players lined up to come in. It would erase a bit of the feeling of watching youngsters grow and be nurtured by the club and go on to be memorable footballers. We are losing a little bit of that. Tom's breakthrough at Watford and Wigan. His defiance and eventual starting lineup berth and his injury and recovery. I certainly don't think he's as terrible as this rotten thread suggests but I would not be disappointed if he stayed and I sure as hell hope we have replacements lined up if he goes.
 
.Rossi said:
In fairness, we've had Eric, Robbo, Keane, Irwin, Stam, Bruce, Neville, Butt, Ince, Scholes, Hughes, McClair, Johnson to name a few, who have delivered far worse tackles in the past....
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Making too much sense here. Thanks for the injection of perspective.
 
Amethyst said:
We'll have an 18, but if Herrera's not fit who's going to play next the Fletcher? Carrick's out, Fellaini's out, Kagawa came off against MK Dons and van Gaal won't play him there anyway. So Powell? Anderson? Januzaj?
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Was a joke.
 
Amethyst said:
We'll have an 18, but if Herrera's not fit who's going to play next the Fletcher? Carrick's out, Fellaini's out, Kagawa came off against MK Dons and van Gaal won't play him there anyway. So Powell? Anderson? Januzaj?
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Maybe Ben Pearson could be looked at? A bit early I know but could be worth a look?
 
Amethyst said:
Oh. :(

But seriously, I'd like to know who we're playing next to Fletcher if TC23™ is on his way out and Herrera can't make it. Powell and Anderson started in a side that lost 4-0 to a League 1 outfit.
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If you are using the TC23 thing as a stick to beat him with you really should do some research on it. There are plenty of things to criticise Cleverley for but thats not one of them.
 
Stack said:
If you are using the TC23 thing as a stick to beat him with you really should do some research on it. There are plenty of things to criticise Cleverley for but thats not one of them.
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I'm just messing about, I don't hate the guy or anything and I read that it was for charity. Still not sorry he's leaving if we end up getting £9m for him, mind.
 
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Amethyst said:
Oh. :(

But seriously, I'd like to know who we're playing next to Fletcher if TC23™ is on his way out and Herrera can't make it. Powell and Anderson started in a side that lost 4-0 to a League 1 outfit.
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anderson didn't play that bad, that was powell who was clueless. We have some "options" in Jones, Mata, Anderson, Pereira. not convincing tho..
 
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