Hope he doesn't reject this deal after we accepted the offer. It shows where we stand in regards to him. If he can't take the hint, then it wont do him any good.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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It's better to see them go than to see them wilt on the vine. Like I said to noods upthread, I just can't see him turning it around here. Much better to start over at a new club.
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to dwd & .rossi -- Yes, you need to learn the Villa idiom if you're going to follow Cleverley via their boards or tweets. A few examples: bastard - a person; horrible, heartless bastard - a Villa player; hell - life; hopeless black hole of pure hell - a season; could also be a game.Good riddance!!!
The quicker we get these average Joes out the door the better and get them replaced with some real quality. Hopefully this is just the start and the likes of Young, Anderson etc.... aren't far behind him. We may not shift them all this window but as long as we've started the ball rolling I'm happy with that.
The quicker we get these average Joes out the door the better and get them replaced with some real quality. Hopefully this is just the start and the likes of Young, Anderson etc.... aren't far behind him. We may not shift them all this window but as long as we've started the ball rolling I'm happy with that.
Rooney came out and publicly said the club lacked ambition.
Stay and fight for his place? He has been fighting for his place, many fans give him shit and he is wants to play week in week out before it's too late. He has Mata, Rooney and RVP to contend with, not a bunch of average players.
Bye
If rumours are believed, then Cleverley is worth more than Kagawa, madness what the 'English tax' can add.
Cleverley for 9m is worth more than Kagawa at 12m?
Is this real or just a massive wind up?
Kagawa been quoted at 10 million euros from what i've seen.
Wheres the source? Or is it only that tweet?
Let's be honest, the few people who are sad to see him go are only sad, because he is a youth product and comes from the academy. He 'understands' United. Could be true, but his perfomances tell another story. He will never be anything than a squad player. In the end not good enough, didnt work out for whatever reason. Let us take the money and wish the lad all the best.
So is this real then?
12m rising to 17m was the figure i remember at the time.
EDIT: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18262878
Not seen it on SSN tv. I hope it's true. I still have a soft spot for him and think the move would be good for him.
I particularly liked this one:
Worst case scenario.
Vlaar joins Utd, we use our remaining transfer budget on Cleverly and don't bring in another central defender.
Most likely scenario.
Vlaar joins Utd, we use our remaining transfer budget on Cleverly and don't bring in another central defender.
Vlaar joins Utd, we use our remaining transfer budget on Cleverly and don't bring in another central defender.
Most likely scenario.
Vlaar joins Utd, we use our remaining transfer budget on Cleverly and don't bring in another central defender.
That's the fecking scary part.
Think we've crossed wires somewhere here, Kagawa's quoted price on potential move back to Dortmund is 10 million euros (£7.9 million), and Cleverley to Villa is £9 million, hence me saying Cleverley been worth more than Kagawa.
He's referring to us selling him back to Dortmund.
Bugger shit'n'piss!
Sorry, didn't read back far enough i guess.
What do you mean he tries his best? His best is bullshit, everything about him is bullshit including what he says. He thinks his cowardly side passing is justified because Spanish players do it. fecking ridiculous typical English player who got cocky before he has actually made it
Indeed I was.
I think your entire post is conjecture, or bullshit, if you will.
Too right. TC thought he already made it here, thought he was the new David Beckham. He's not as cocky as David Bentley was but they shared the same 'i've made it' attitude that many young English players have (Kieran Richardson was another one). Darron Gibson was better than Cleverley, not like its a hard thing to do, he took his criticism and he knew his level. Cleverley on the other hand is simply not good enough, even for Aston Villa as they'll soon find out. Two seasons from now or even sooner no one will even mention his name because he'll be nowhere to be seen unless he's at a championship team. @walsh United22 is spot on.
Well ive seen players who do very little and just see playing for their club as a paycheque (most obvious in our squad is Nani and Anderson) but here we have a player who was a absolute professional for us and gave his all but, unfortunately, just wasnt good enough. Just my views on him.
Also i dont know what made you think he got too cocky early on in his career. I personally never saw that but if you could provide me with any articles i would stand corrected.
This is such a brutally unfair post.
Yes, obviously his head is gone. Don't kick him when he's down -- wish him good luck and hope he can shake the fear and start over.
We are not going to take their Vlaar though.
The feelings on Cleverley really have come full circle on here. I remember the ridiculous hyperbole about how good he was in here when he first broke through and I thought he was overrated. It's come to the point were I imagine some of the people posting here are spitting at the screen in anger at him. I actually feel a bit sorry for him now.
All of it is bullshit? Fair enough but I'm sure I'm 100% right about the side passing bit. He actually is wrong about that, he thought that because La Liga midfielders pass to the side and get clapped for it (exactly what he said), it was some sort of justification for him not passing forward and being adventurous with his play. Yes you don't pass forward all the time but that doesn't mean La Liga midfielders do it all the time as an excuse for not passing forward. Then he said he was made scapegoat for United's bad performances because he didn't do flashy things on the pitch, another thing that was bullshit. I can probably name over 6 players that got regularly abused last season through social media, and he was rightly one of them but not the only one. The truth is not only didn't he do flashy things but he didn't even get the basics correct. His 12/13 season was decent (still nowhere near the quality of starting for United) and that's as far as it goes for him.
The rest of my post about him being cocky is all opinion and fair enough if you think its bullshit
He definitely was a huge scapegoat though. Even though he didn't perform well, the reactions and criticism was ridiculous, especially for a local lad who's come through the ranks. What he said about Spanish/continental players did have some truth to it, he was basically saying his role is ball retention which is very important in Spain. However, I do agree that he doesn't do enough aside from short passes to justify his place in the team. You can't blame the lad for having no confidence though with the absolute dogs abuse he gets. The stuff about him being cocky was just completely incorrect I feel, I think he's the opposite and has gone into his shell since he came into the team and started playing well a couple of seasons back.
I do think that a move somewhere like Villa might be what he needs though, providing we sign someone to take his place in the squad.
Whats this about him wanting to stay and leave on a free in the summer?!
Saw it on Twitter that's his preferred move
Saw it on Twitter that's his preferred move
Title changed. Seen nothing on SSN to indicate it's true.
Surely this means we are signing someone. It only leaves us with Carrick, Herrera and Fletcher, not counting reserves.
The rumours of negotiations are true. It's not a done deal, though. Cleverley will have to agree. I can't see why he's stalling, I thought he'd be out like a rat up a drainpipe, given the chance.
Villa ITK reported it first.
Then John Percy, Ducker and most reported offers.
John Percy reported Villa's bid been accepted but Hull and Everton also were interested after that.
Peter Rourke tweeted Villa bid has been accepted too.
Most likely this is true. I think he might first want to choose the club among options though.
Then John Percy, Ducker and most reported offers.
John Percy reported Villa's bid been accepted but Hull and Everton also were interested after that.
Peter Rourke tweeted Villa bid has been accepted too.
Most likely this is true. I think he might first want to choose the club among options though.
Oh I know, but the title said that SSN said a bid had been accepted. Nothing on there. Pete Rourke said it had been accepted but still nothing official yet.
Some turds pop up after every flush.
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