I'm surprised he's on standby even, he's been that poor.
Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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Up to him to realise he has to do much much better now and prove everyone wrong. I don't think it will happen.
Says a lot about our midfield (man utd) that we cant get one player on the plane
the fact he is on standby says a lot about the quality of midfielders available. He's been poor for quite a while.
Disappointed for Tom but at the end of the day he has been nowhere near good enough this season to make the final squad. Hopefully he'll benefit from this and use it as motivation to improve his game for next season.
SAF wiped him from the face of the earth for quite a long period last season due to poor form/injuries. He was even playing with the reserves for a period. I thought that SAF was doing the right thing and it would motivate Tom to improve, but it didn't. I don't think that he has the work ethic in him to improve much. He seemed more occupied with advertising himself as the second coming of Scholes than anything when he first broke through.
Good break for him. Now he can spend sometime off the spotlight and work to improve himself. Hopefully he'll come back next season a much better player.
It's mission impossible but if Van Gaal shall manage to calibrate him into solid tactical midfielder again with some creative approach, I may start comparing SAF and LVG like they're the same person.
He's lucky to be in the stand by list over Barry. Infact, Lampard is lucky to be in at Barry's expense.
He's been so utterly hopeless that for a while I thought the shadow of Fletcher might improve our midfield when he came back. I'm surprised he's in the stand by list over Barry to be fair.
Cleverley doesn't care, because he's going to be in the Spanish team.
He hasn't deserved it, and even his place on the standby list is questionable. Barry has been better, and I think Jack Cork is better than him too.
His difficult summer may not be over as he will also be very fortunate to be in the United squad come August.
His difficult summer may not be over as he will also be very fortunate to be in the United squad come August.
Bit harsh on Tom, Jack Cork is a bit crap.
I'd liken Cleverley to Jack Colback.
He's only there because he plays for United.
Cork is very good I reckon. Surprised he hasn't been on Roy's radar with his Saints season ticket.
Cleverley started almost all the big games till the Madrid game at home. It was only after that did his form go to shit and he wasn't the only one.
I dont think this will be a popular opinion but I'm looking forward to how Cleverley does under LvG.
Mainly because LvG is known to be very clear about his tactics and makes sure every player knows what their role on the pitch is, something I feel was one of the main reasons Cleverley looked so passive and clueless on the pitch at times this season.
Cleverley has shown glimpses of what he's capable of and I think with a more defined role, he should do much better.
Under Moyes it seemed like he lined up the players and expected them to do their best in that position rather than have specific roles within the formation.. We never seemed to have a playmaker or a DM or an attacking mid.. it was just 2 CM's expected to do their best in the midfield, which flopped more often than not
Mainly because LvG is known to be very clear about his tactics and makes sure every player knows what their role on the pitch is, something I feel was one of the main reasons Cleverley looked so passive and clueless on the pitch at times this season.
Cleverley has shown glimpses of what he's capable of and I think with a more defined role, he should do much better.
Under Moyes it seemed like he lined up the players and expected them to do their best in that position rather than have specific roles within the formation.. We never seemed to have a playmaker or a DM or an attacking mid.. it was just 2 CM's expected to do their best in the midfield, which flopped more often than not
Agreed.
I'm quite excited to see if LVG would be able to improve Cleverley. Under Fergie, Tom showed some good football and all he needed to do was to start imposing himself more on games. Under Moyes, he regressed and looked absolutely clueless probably because of a confidence issue and a lack of tactical instruction as someone has already said.
I like Tom Cleverley but he's coming to an age where he needs to start showing the ability he has and proving he has what it takes to be a Man Utd player. This season and the world cup snub can go two ways for him - either it destroys his career at a top club or he overcomes it and becomes a much much better player and person. It's really up to him.
I like Tom Cleverley but he's coming to an age where he needs to start showing the ability he has and proving he has what it takes to be a Man Utd player. This season and the world cup snub can go two ways for him - either it destroys his career at a top club or he overcomes it and becomes a much much better player and person. It's really up to him.
Agreed. He looked completely lost from day 1 under Moyes. He's nowhere near the "no hoper" some are making out.
This is all well and good bigging him up, but has he ever displayed this talent we're all referring to? I've been more impressed with Anderson's good games over Cleverley's, and that's saying something.
For the record I'd still keep Cleverley, as our midfield options are so below par.
For the record I'd still keep Cleverley, as our midfield options are so below par.
Yep, I fully expect players like Clev and Welbeck to benefit massively from working under Van Gaal. Clev for me is a player who's not even close to playing at the level he's capable of. A proper manager, tactics and a clear role and he'l definitely improve. Wouldnt surprise me 1 bit if he becomes the most vital CM from our current crop under Van Gaal.
Ando had plenty of talent, it was his consistency and his injuries that were shocking. I believe Clev has the tools to become a good CM, not an elite one but a good one none the less. The guy's a good passer and when he broke through, impressed me with his movement. Always moving after making a pass looking for the return. I'm sure someone like Van Gaal can get him working again.
I try recall a Cleverley performance that impressed me, and I genuinely can't think of many. He's had some decent games, but that's just what he is: a decent player.
The season where he started in the middle with Ando was definitely impressive going forward. Lots of quick short passing and good movement for once from our CMs linking up with attackers upfield.
Vs City away last year was a good one for me, just off the top of my head.
I like Cleverley, I hope it comes together for him.
Madrid at home, Man city away, Arsenal at home last season.
They were good performances, yeah. But he's hardly ever blown us away, has he? Even Anderson has performed to a level that suggested he could become a top player, Cleverley hasn't really. I'd describe his good performances as useful, but hardly groundbreaking.
When you're at Real Madrid midfield level you're having a very good match, that's what i think.
But you're right, you won't stand up your chair for Cleverley, like you won't for Khedira (i'm not saying that he is as good as Khedira).
he is the useful type of player, who can be essentially when they achieve their potential.
I like Cleverley and feel he is a useful squad player, but I think for people to suggest van Gaal can develop him into a great midfielder is a bit over the top, we'd have seen something by now to suggest he could become a great midfielder, we haven't.
I don't think that people see a potential great player in Cleverley but a good consistent midfielder, people think that with Van Gaal, Cleverley can achieve his potential.
I definitely would agree with this.
I think he could be an alright squad player. One thing that's getting a bit tedious though is where players are seemingly being excused for shit performances because of Moyes. I'd argue for the majority of his time under Fergie he hardly set the world a light. If he sticks around, which I assume he will, it is a big season for him, he's not a young player anymore. I'd say his poor performances a lot of the time were down to him and not the manager, he struggled to string basic passes together at times and that wasn't really a positional problem.
I don't get the squad player stuff really. A squad player will still have to play 20-25 games in a season, would you have faith in Cleverley for that many games in a season?
Tom Cleverley - 2013/14 performances
There aren't any.
There aren't any.
Yep. He's a good player going through a tough patch. It's becoming more and more likely that he won't become the player we all hoped, but he's not nearly so bad as people are making out.
While he wasn't world class in the 12/13 season, he still did a good enough job and was part of a title winning side, playing 30 plus games along the way. So to answer your question, if Cleverley can find his form from 12/13 season, then yes I honestly think he can be a good squad player.
I would. van Gaal will bring the best out of Cleverley, and given that Cleverley himself is best in a pass-and-move game, van Gaal will certainly like to work with him.
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