According to Fergie he's not gonna make the Sunderland game 
Tom Cleverley | 2011/12 Performances
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I saw you're 'too', it's a crap sense of humor. I was up too early.
I can't believe anyone thinks he isn't creative...
According to Fergie he's not gonna make the Sunderland game
Ah for crying out loud!
Jesus wept. It's Sunderland. At Old Trafford. They've won one of their last 5 games. They've got 10 points so far this season.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, we won the league last season with one of the best home records of any team ever in the history of the Premier League. While Tom Cleverley was playing for Wigan.
How on earth did we cope without him all season long?
Aye, with two weeks off after the Sunderland game, it doesnt make any sense to me to rush him back for it if he's not ready. Let him heal properly. ( Have England a friendly, maybe he wont play him to ensure he's not picked)
We'll be fine without him, that's not why people are sad to see him miss it. It's just that, I know I enjoy watching him play, and he certainly adds more conviction and impetus to our performances than any of our other centre mids. No worries about beating Sunderland at Old Trafford without him, I just think we'd play better if he was playing.
Anderson and Fletcher to the rescue, no big worries....
In fairness, we still had a little ginger wizard.
I didn't mean a better version in that they are very similar, just a better version in that most teams in the world would choose Rooney over Sneijder and it would be difficult to play Rooney as a "number 10" with Sneijder in central midfield behind him.
Gas isn't it? The poor lad is being so hyped up that we he hits a slump like most youngsters do he'll be blasted to shit on here.
And we won the league because of everything but our midfield
I never wanted Sneijder so I'm not arguing there, yeah they play slightly similar positions though Sneijder is deeper and would make us a 3 man midfield, with Rooney playing we do still have a 4-4-2 system, mostly.
What's wrong with wanting him to play, and being annoyed that he's injured?
I'd like to think that the two you quoted weren't worried that we wouldn't win the game, but just wanted to see Clevz play.
You'd be absolutely correct.
What a weird response.
I'm sure we all want to see him play again as soon as possible. I just thought the comments (especially the latter of the two) was an over the top response to one player sitting out a fairly straightforward fixture. We already knew he was a doubt, it's really no big deal if he doesn't feature against Sunderland. It's not as though we'd just found out he'll be out for another month.
To be honest, neither of those comments would have bothered me if it hadn't been for a general theme on here in recent weeks of wildly over-estimating how reliant we are on Cleverley this season.
Could it not be that people are excited about seeing a great young player play for us rather than the thought that we can't win a game without him?
Aye. As well as the surprise factor, since, quite frankly, I was expecting Cleverley to take some time before making himself felt in the first team picture.
I also think that he makes us play better. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean he's a world beater. Football is a team sport, and the best team isn't necessarily comprised of the best individuals, but Cleverley has that in him which we seem to lack in the middle at times.
Indeed.
I just like seeing him play. He moves the ball so well, keeps it so well, passes so well. He brings something different to our midfield. Something that is actually genuinely exciting. You see some of the link up when he's there especially with Welbs, lightning fast 1-2s, sexy football. It just isn't quite as there when Cleverley isn't on the field. I'm confident of the three points but I, genuinely, don't think we'll play as tidily as we do when he's pulling the strings in our midfield. That'll be a miss.
I don't understand either why people feel being excited about his obvious talent is putting pressure on him. We were relying on Rooney and Ronaldo when they were younger than Cleverley is now so why should we be concerned with giving Cleverley a similar level of responsibility?
The very fact you're comparing him with once in a generation talents like Rooney and Ronaldo is yet more evidence of the absurd expectations being placed on his shoulders.
Will words on an internet forum make any actual difference to the pressure he feels walking out on the pitch? Almost certainly not. Just seems a bit silly, that's all.
Will words on an internet forum make any actual difference to the pressure he feels walking out on the pitch? Almost certainly not. Just seems a bit silly, that's all.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. I'm silly? Fair enough. Still think Cleverley will form an important part of United's and England's midfields for years to come.
You'll find that they're of the same generation. And let's not bring up Messi.
But yes, I do get your drift - just that maybe you're going a bit overboard downplaying Tom Cleverley's potential and ability.
No point risking him against Sunderland at Old Trafford. The game after that is Swansea away 2 weeks later. Plenty of time for him to recover.
Every time he makes a pass he moves. He always wants the ball and is always looking for space to be available. Thats part of his natural game and he won't feel any pressure when he is doing what he is naturally inclined to do. He will have runs of poor form and runs of great form but I think over time he will prove to be a major player.
It's ridiculous how highly he can be praised.
I think we will go down the same route as we did with Evans. Remember when the CAF used to say that Evans would become the best CB since time began? We are at the same position with Tom. Comparisons to Iniesta et. al are ridiculous at this moment.
Ofcourse when he invariably has a dip in form the same posters will be the first to confine him to the pages of history and make him a scapegoat.
Ofcourse when he invariably has a dip in form the same posters will be the first to confine him to the pages of history and make him a scapegoat.
Surely no one has compared him to Iniesta as far as quality, just style.
Surely some people are getting a little ahead of themselves with the praise, but it hardly seem so bad it requires to so much counterpointing.
Surely some people are getting a little ahead of themselves with the praise, but it hardly seem so bad it requires to so much counterpointing.
I'm just pissed off on his behalf that he is injured. The injuries have interrupted his quest for a consistent first team berth.
See I just don't understand this sort of comment. I apologise in advance and I would hate to think I'm zoning in on you because that's not how it is but I see no evidence to back what you're saying.
Virtually all players, not just young players, have dips in form. Rooney used to score in bunches and then have long dry spells where he'd go long periods without a goal (in fact some people would say 'used to' is not strictly accurate given his start to last season). It has never stopped United fans recognising what a genius he is.
Why is it that if and when Cleverley has a few quiet games that the fans are gonna turn on him? You could argue that he had quiet games against West Brom and Spurs but I didn't see that much anti-Cleverley feeling. Even the diehard WesleySneijderites weren't having a go.
I really don't get why there seems to be a feeling that United fans should feel guilty about emerging talent. Am I the only one who remembers how exciting the mid 90s were (against all expectations)?
he is not ready for Sunderland.
he is not ready for Sunderland.
I thought it was only the Champions League game he was out of.
Manchester United ace Tom Cleverley will miss Sunderland clash admits boss Ferguson > Manchester United > Sport | Click Manchester
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson revealed that Tom Cleverley will not play in the Premier League match with Sunderland on Saturday.
Cleverley has already been ruled out of Wednesday's Champions League clash with Otelul Galati after picking up an ankle injury last weekend in the win over Everton.
Now it has been confirmed he will miss the visit of Sunderland this coming weekend
And while Ferguson does not believe the damage is too extensive, he is not willing to risk further injury.
"Tom won’t play tomorrow," said Ferguson on Tuesday.
"It is not serious. He got a little tweak on Saturday but we have to take the long view.
"We need to make sure he will be available for a long period, rather than play him again and the decision comes back to haunt us, so I think he will miss the Saturday game also."
He will probably have bad games but I dont think he'll be that bad. I mean players all have days where nothing really seems to work for them but I think Tom has shown us his class. He was doing what he was doing against whilst not being 100%.
I'm sure he was passed match fit but I dont think we've seen him on top form yet. He's still easing and developing into this new role in our midfield. Still surprised at how quickly he's taken to it.
He's been our most effective central midfielder so far, so it's no wonder people would want him available for every match at the moment, even if it's "just Sunderland".
Maybe it's the overall poor form of our other midfielders that is making him stand out at the moment. I'm sure he'll have a dip in form at some time, and others will step up to the plate, but right now he is an important player for us. As for the future, there's no telling if he'll turn out to be an "Evans" or a "Ronaldo", but for now it's exciting to watch him develop so quickly.
Maybe it's the overall poor form of our other midfielders that is making him stand out at the moment. I'm sure he'll have a dip in form at some time, and others will step up to the plate, but right now he is an important player for us. As for the future, there's no telling if he'll turn out to be an "Evans" or a "Ronaldo", but for now it's exciting to watch him develop so quickly.
Just to add on what's already been said, I'm sure another factor in a lot of us being upset he won't be playing is that we're anxious that this injury could continue to recur. Hopefully it doesn't, but it's never good to see a player get injured just as soon as they recovered from one.
TC has played well this season but, it's a bit of a stretch to say he has been our most effective CM. At the start of the season, he paired well with Anderson and both complimented each other but, at the time everyone was also raving that Anderson was now coming into his own and was taking command of games.
The way it reads - and not just the comments in the last day but, the ones before or after recent games - on why people are disappointed in him possibly not featuring on Saturday is that since his injury we've not played well - which many attribute to mostly to CM. That he started the season so well, perhaps people are hoping that he'll fix that "broken" part of our game in CM.
Everton was a good start for fixing our problems, first starting to defend better as a team and hopefully now work our way to the better attacking football we saw earlier in the season without becoming vulnerable in the back again.
The way it reads - and not just the comments in the last day but, the ones before or after recent games - on why people are disappointed in him possibly not featuring on Saturday is that since his injury we've not played well - which many attribute to mostly to CM. That he started the season so well, perhaps people are hoping that he'll fix that "broken" part of our game in CM.
Everton was a good start for fixing our problems, first starting to defend better as a team and hopefully now work our way to the better attacking football we saw earlier in the season without becoming vulnerable in the back again.
I'd say Giggs is and has been our best CM so far.
Danny Welbeck said:
These comments convince me that these boys will go very far.
New Zealand?
Not far enough.
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