Can't help but think, his performances till the end of August, will decide Sneijder's or whoever else we've ever anticipated bringing in -future
Edit: For the season obviously
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Can't help but think, his performances till the end of August, will decide Sneijder's or whoever else we've ever anticipated bringing in -future
Edit: For the season obviously
Over 90% pass completion. Anderson as well. Lots of positive passes and dribbles from both of them too.
Can't really ask for much more.
Can't really ask for much more.
How can we decide he's the one to replace scholesy in the space of 2 weeks?...
He's unfashionable....
Seriously, people expecting perfection are out of their minds. We might face tougher challenges but in our first game away from home to a decent side...in a time when other teams like Chelsea like Arsenal..like Liverpool once again show how difficult it can be....I think people are out of their minds to expect much more. It takes time. Some might suggest Anderson and Cleverly might not be the best together...but it's all knee jerk. The fact is if we took our chances and if De gea doesn't make that mistake, we're pretty comfortable.
2 weeks left to decide. Not decide within 2 weeks. The question is, we need a new midfielder after Scholesy's retirement. Is he the one? His future is in his own hands.
Very promising player but I dont think he's ready just yet. I'm looking forward to see how he'll do in the big games. Interesting season that's for sure!
This.
As I said only thing I would've wanted Tom to do beyond what he did today was stick the foot in more like he did on Yaya Toure at Wembley. But I don't think anyone can make out that Cleverley (or Ando for that matter) had a bad game.
Often players step up. To focus on Cleverly is wrong. Why should be the one to focus on and not say Anderton as an example?
I think this is the whole point.
SAF is moving from a Mourinho-esque way of performing in midfield - with a defensive and physically strong midfield to one that is based on speed, mobility and first time passing - (Guardiola-esque or Wenger-esque if you like).
Cleverley fits into these plans very well although he'll still have to get better - as will Anderson. What they have to improve is moving up the field as a unit i.e. within 15 yards of each other so that there are always 3-4 passing options and so that the opposition are always guessing where the ball is going to go. Mix this with first time passing and you have quite a blend.
Still has some way to go. I still believe we need Sneijder (as a playmaker as his intelligence and interplay with Rooney will be immense) but also to point a way forward for Cleverley.
SAF is moving from a Mourinho-esque way of performing in midfield - with a defensive and physically strong midfield to one that is based on speed, mobility and first time passing - (Guardiola-esque or Wenger-esque if you like).
Cleverley fits into these plans very well although he'll still have to get better - as will Anderson. What they have to improve is moving up the field as a unit i.e. within 15 yards of each other so that there are always 3-4 passing options and so that the opposition are always guessing where the ball is going to go. Mix this with first time passing and you have quite a blend.
Still has some way to go. I still believe we need Sneijder (as a playmaker as his intelligence and interplay with Rooney will be immense) but also to point a way forward for Cleverley.
I think we got what we expected from them today
They were good with the ball, but struggled when they didn't have the ball, didn't seem that effective in getting the ball back.
They were good with the ball, but struggled when they didn't have the ball, didn't seem that effective in getting the ball back.
But we had 65% of the ball, so something doesnt add up.
Very good performance but i'm not too sure that having him as part of 2 central midfielders is the most effective option. I'd like to see him as part or 3 central midfielders.
I think that he played very well today. He nearly got on the end of a cross and that's something we haven't had for a while in midfield. Well, since Scholes.. He kept it simple with his passing but playing on the right side of a midfield two his options seemed limited (to me at least). It seemed like everything we played today was going down the left and rightfully so. In contrast to Cleverley, when Anderson received the ball it seemed that he always had Young as an option to knock it into space for.
I think that he may have been given instructions to keep it simple today given the fact that he had no real defensive help in midfield. Personally I think that he was our brightest player in the second half of the game. Though he didn't have much competition for that one..
I've always had high hopes for him going back to his days in the reserves. Today did nothing to change that for me. If anything it went towards reaffirming that once again. It is refreshing to say the least that Fergie trusted him in an away, the first game of the season against a team in which we had problems against last term.
I think that he may have been given instructions to keep it simple today given the fact that he had no real defensive help in midfield. Personally I think that he was our brightest player in the second half of the game. Though he didn't have much competition for that one..
I've always had high hopes for him going back to his days in the reserves. Today did nothing to change that for me. If anything it went towards reaffirming that once again. It is refreshing to say the least that Fergie trusted him in an away, the first game of the season against a team in which we had problems against last term.
Oh god, I see the "CLEVERLEY WHY U PASS THE BALL SIDEWAYS AND NOT DO ANYTHING" has begun in earnest
hahahahha so true. The people who post that drivel dont understand that sometimes to go forward you need to go back or sideways so that you draw opposition players out of channels or spaces you want to pass to. I thought Cleverly had a very good game. He is over the next few years going to become an important player for us.
Creativity can be the simple job of pass and move. Everytime the ball moves opposition players move. You will often see a player pass a ball to a team mate who has then passed it straight back. Thats all about moving the opposition out of channels or spaces.
I thought Cleverly showed some nice touches of creativity. Was much more than average.
A Sergio Busquets type figure would bring the best out of Cleverley and Anderson in a three-man midfield. Both are very promising going forwards and have enough ability on the ball to control games, but off the ball they're too gung-ho and whilst Carrick alongside them is the best bet, I can't help but think if we want to maintain the fluid football we've seen, a young defensive mid of a similar enthusiasm/courage/mobility to them would round the midfield off nicely.
M'Vila would probably fit that description.
Indeed. I think we have the man for it too, a certain Michael Carrick. I'm hoping Fergie tries a midfield of Cleverley, Carrick and Anderson soon.
Theoretically it should work very well. Carrick sitting and disciplined giving Clev and Anderson license.
Defensively I'm not happy with a midfield of Ando and Cleverley eventhough they looked dynamic and good today.
Wow. Football. You need to learn it.
I keep seeing this guys name mentioned. Ignoring the fact that it's probably you every time, how good is M'Vila?
Back to Cleverley, I'm liking him more and more every time I see him. He seems to know exactly where he wants the ball to go whenever he gets it. He also doesn't panic in possession. If he gets the ball, and he's surrounding, he's very good at holding onto it and seeking out a pass.
He keeps the ball ticking along ala Carrick but at pace. What surprised me was his good sense of awareness of the players' positions ala Scholes like.
Basically, he is more of an Iniesta type of player, ie flourishing in a quick short passing type of game. However, his defensive aspect and ball-winning skills are still pretty average. Therefore, i think if we can get somebody like Diarra or a fit Fletcher to play alongside him, get him the ball and let him do his magic with nice one touches with the strikers, it would be good.
I think he has the defensive part to his game and he showed it when we played Barcelona and City especially against Yaya Toure who he hassled like a Yorkshire Terrier on steroids. Confusingly however yesterday Cleverley didn't show any of the bite he has up until now in centre midfield, which was my only criticism of him.
On the ball he was superb. He literally glided past West Brom's players who in the end just resorted to kicking him over to stop him. The ease with which he can beat players in the middle of the park is exceptional. He shows zero fear about receiving the ball in tight spaces and has absolute confidence in his ability to ghost past the opposition and pick his passes.
Off the ball though his movement was good and he took up positions which prevented opposition passes at the Hawthorns but it seemed he left the defensive duties to Ando a bit more than he did the week before. I don't know if that was a conscious choice or tactical but it'd be good to see him snapping at heels again next time out.
I like the energy and effort he brings to the team. Plus he has this calmness when he has the ball and he always keeps the ball rolling. He always looks to pass and he picks it nice and simple. This guy is going to good for us.
He's a good player, I like how he keeps asking for the ball and makes short passes. He's not the finished article but he'll get better with more confidence and trust from his team mates.
I'd even go as far as saying we should build our midfield around Cleverley. He is already the key player for our pass and move play.
thought he had a good match. Very impressed with his first touch yesterday, killed some awkward passes easily. His touch and go movement was very good too
Carrick is officially in trouble.
I'm wondering what the future holds for Carrick?
I think we might see this midfield soon:
........Jones..........
Cleverley...Anderson
I think we might see this midfield soon:
........Jones..........
Cleverley...Anderson
I'd certainly rather have Carrick in midfield that a fecking centre half.
One of the aspects of his game that has me really hopeful for him.
He plays with his head up, knows whats going on round him and doesn't need a week to decide what to do, seems to have a quick brain.
Having better help when we face Barca next probably....
Impressive yesterday. Good close ball contol in tight spaces, good distribution and reads the game well. Very good decision making. Note of criticism; needs to add more strike power to his game.
Which is good . Competition brings options and drive.
Would take M'Vila over Sneijder in a heartbeat.
Too risky, yet.
No offense to Michael but Busquets is far better, and they're not that similar.
Why? He'd been struggling with an injury. I still reckon he's our first choice CM in most games. I think Fergie is giving Anderson and Cleverley a good crack at the whip early on so he can decide if he wants to bring in a midfielder.
Why would Jones get in ahead of Carrick?
Why would Jones get in ahead of Carrick?
I suppose the argument is that Jones is better defensively. But we've yet to see Jones play that role so I think putting him ahead of Carrick is somewhat silly. I'm sure he'll be given a chance there though during this season.
As for Cleverly, certainly makes Gibson totally redundant. I really enjoy watching CM's who have the confidence to play themselves out of trouble when in tight spaces. I'm still shocked he started yesterday, I thought this season he'd get home starts and a few away starts. But he seems to have been thrown in the deep end and I think he performed very well all things considered.
Why should he be the one to focus on rather then Anderson who's got much more experience. The experience will come and the coaches will work on the defensive aspect of it. Both players are capable of tracking back so it's just tweaking but I think they're doing fine. It's giving teams something to think about because it's obviously a positive move by us.
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