Doesn’t seem too weird when you consider how ravaged our midfield is. Iqbal and Mainoo have already been training with the first team for a while. That’s still only 5 players available for 6 positions.
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Doesn’t seem too weird when you consider how ravaged our midfield is. Iqbal and Mainoo have already been training with the first team for a while. That’s still only 5 players available for 6 positions.
Weird as in why him and not players getting picked ahead of him for the u21s. Someone like Oyedele or Gore? I haven’t been watching them that much this season but don’t think he’s featured at all?
Oyedele has gone on loan and Gore plays a different role in midfield. Collyer is an out and out DM. Collyer came to us very highly rated as an England U17 captain, I’m surprised he hasn’t been playing more at U23 level tbh.
Hasn't Collyer trained with the first team multiple times this season? Could've sworn I read about it a few months ago.
Anyway with Savage out on loan, makes sense that he is the next man up
Anyway with Savage out on loan, makes sense that he is the next man up
I wouldn't worry about it.
There will be posters on here calling for him to play in front of McTominay before you know it.
Looks fairly 2 footed. That's something.
Training with the first team means very little, they all do at some point. They just don’t necessarily get their pictures published.
Charlie Wellens was training with the first team at 16 and he’s nowhere near a top talent. Dan Gore trained at 16 too. There is constantly a handful of u21/18s being brought in for first team training and often times it is solely position related and to just fill a hole for a specific training routine.
It means nothing from the outside really, every single u21 player will have trained with the first team this season.
Charlie Wellens was training with the first team at 16 and he’s nowhere near a top talent. Dan Gore trained at 16 too. There is constantly a handful of u21/18s being brought in for first team training and often times it is solely position related and to just fill a hole for a specific training routine.
It means nothing from the outside really, every single u21 player will have trained with the first team this season.
Injured for much of the season so only played four games in the league up to Christmas break and three sub appearances in the EFL Cup.
Two starts and two sub appearances since then.
So in summary, six starts in six months...
How’s he doing?
He's nothing special, an okayish U21 player. He has been injured quite a bit though but never really cemented a place in the starting eleven. He's 19 years old.
On the bench today
Surprised to see him make the bench.. how has he been doing this season w U21s?
Wouldn't know, the U21 games are never televised these days.
First time I'm hearing about him, has he leapfrogged Gore or is the latter injured?
Gore is on loan, port vale I think.
Must be doing something right to be in the bench.
not jumping ahead but if he turns out as we hope then thats two young central midfielders with him and mainoo that could form our midfield for some time!
not jumping ahead but if he turns out as we hope then thats two young central midfielders with him and mainoo that could form our midfield for some time!
Yeah that's not going to happen.
You don’t think hes any good?
He’s certainly not our best midfield prospect
Who is?
Hannibal, Mainoo or Gore. Either Fletcher or Fitzgerald for the 18s.
Mainoo is already in the first team. So I guess Gore, Fletcher and Fitzgerald
Doesn’t really have any standout abilities. A bigish lad who’s a decent passer, that’s pretty much it based on what I’ve seen.
Fair enough. Havent seen him play much myself
Limited for me too, especially this season as it’s impossible to see the U21s games anywhere.
If you've seen him and that's your assessment that's fair. I haven't seen anything of him to be fair and only read about him (captained England U16/17 level etc) so had assumed, given his age and he was on the bench that there must be a decent prospect in there.
We'll have to wait and see I guess
Yeah Brighton's Head of Academy praised him to heavens, but I haven't seen anything special so far. A decent, solid player who might go on to have a future in the game.
I think he's fit with the quick transition football that ETH want to employ.
Yeah, for what it's worth, I'd agree with that assessment as well.
He sounded promising when he arrived, but hasn't shown much at all with the U21's beyond, as you say, just a decent level. Certainly hasn't stood out in any way and suggested he's first team level.
yeah, from what I have seen nothing special at all, even the worst in terms of potential of anything we have at the position. Clean player, but nothing else. To be honest, I can give a benefit of doubt cause he had a period without football I think when he did not want to sign for Brighton while waiting to join us, so probably not in the best form when I watched him, but really could not see anything on top level. All midfielders from U18 that get playing time in his position are above him in terms of talent (Fitzgerald, McAllister, Fletcher, Deveney), Oyedelle from U21, and certainly Hannibal and Gore.
I thought he was a good pick up at the time as he was an England youth captain who had a good range of passing and seemed to be able to set the tempo from deep. Not as dynamic as some other players in the youth team but contrasting styles make teams.
Anyway I think injury definitely curtailed development at a crucial stage and others took over. A smart and tidy player.
Anyway I think injury definitely curtailed development at a crucial stage and others took over. A smart and tidy player.
What you're cooking Erik ?
It seems like the manager has a liking towards him. He featured on the bench quite a lot, but didnt get an appearance.
Its a weird one because Ten Hag has shown to be brave when it comes to trusting the youth, and threw Mainoo into the starting team as soon as he came back from injury, but Collyer who he also seems to rate, hasn't even come on for a cameo off the bench.
Its a weird one because Ten Hag has shown to be brave when it comes to trusting the youth, and threw Mainoo into the starting team as soon as he came back from injury, but Collyer who he also seems to rate, hasn't even come on for a cameo off the bench.
I don't think he should feel too hard done by.
Amad tore up the Championship the previous season and he struggled to get any minutes with Antony in front of him...now that is what I call being hard done by.
Probably because he is good but not the level of talent Kobbie is. Even Garnacho had to play a season coming off the bench.
i’m a professional lip-reader and here’s what erik said;
“as you can see from my tactics all year and this great victory that vindicates them, there is no need for a midfield in modern football. at your age, i would suggest jacking this all in and picking up a trade. there will be nothing for your kind in football in 3 year’s time.”
What's his potential from those who have seen him play?
Is he highly rated?
Is he highly rated?
I don't think its weird. Just the natural order of things. He can't throw in every young player immediately.
I remember seeing that live and thinking "Why the hell is he talking to Brandon Williams like that."
Exactly what me and my friend said. He said "Its Brandon Williams!", and I thought - bit full kit wanker/John Terry mode to turn up on the pitch when he's been on loan at Ipswich. Completely forgot Collyer's been flirting with the first team squad selection.