He was injured the majority of last season.
Toby Alderweireld
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He was injured the majority of last season.
I know that. But not the last 1.5 month
Not that it means that much but I thought both Kompany and Vertonghen looked a cut above him. Seemed a bit shaky.
Good player, obviously, but I don't have much faith in magically transforming anything at United by bringing in a CB (unless it's Godin, i.e. someone who's actually miles better than our current options).
Good player, obviously, but I don't have much faith in magically transforming anything at United by bringing in a CB (unless it's Godin, i.e. someone who's actually miles better than our current options).
Spurs STH of 40+ years to put it this correctly Toby was only injured for about 8 weeks following the Real Madrid home win. The problem with him was he had verbally agreed a new contract with the club with wages of around £150k a week only then to see VVD sign for 'Pool on more money than that and Toby's agent (his dad) then said no deal. Levy/Poch then refused to play him unless necessary due to injury's.
As everyone in football knows not many get the better of Levy so I would suggest unless either Man Utd, Real Madrid or Barca come up wit the money/deal Levy/Poch want then he will still be here at the end of the window. I honestly believe the only way Man Utd will get him is if we get Martial.
As a footnote and not that I believe any ITK stuff but what is being said on some Spurs sites is Leicester have turn down 2 bids from Tottenham for Maguire last being £50m. Since Harry Rednapp left very little rumors come out of Spurs about targets as Levy/Poch keep their cards close to their chest. Although out of Villa has been leaked that we have an agreement in place for Grealish which I guess ticks a box in English Quota at least as Strangely enough even though Dier has Captained England he doesn't count in our Quota lol.
Personally I hope Levy can reach an agreement with Toby as IMHO he is still one of the best CB in the world and seriously miles in front of Maguire.
I do not believe for a second we are shifter Harry Maguire, especially not at £50M. We spent £30M on Sanchez last season, so we have Foryh, Verts, Dier and Sanchez for the CB slots. Even if we are to go 3 at the back next season I can’t see us spending £50M o a CB when it’s CM where we really need a player.
Levy is playing hard ball. I would go for the younger Maguire who is a future captain IMO.
Hating to correct a fellow Spurs fan but Sanchez was £42m (€48m reported by Ajax) and Foryh is very young and very likely to go out on loan for the season to a PL team to gain experience.
£50m now doesn't buy you an outstanding player, especially English player. The money the TV companies put into football now is massive, think we got somewhere in the region of £145m last season, this is more than the whole club turned over in 2015/16. Last Year (Wembley) and this coming season in new ground will see our Turnover exceed the £400m mark. So we do have money to spend and we hopefully will move on a lot of deadwood, so be it if Toby goes to United and we sign Maguire/someone similar or we just pay Toby more money one of those things will happen. I would imagine a new Striker to take pressure off Harry and a wide player are also on the shopping list.
But Levy will want his pound of flesh and if Maguires in the £50m+ mode and VVD is a £70m player you can see where Levy will put Toby who is better than both but a long way.
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Him and Maguire the best we can sign
I dunno why I said £30M, but I would rather we spent big on a CM, Grealish looks done but I see him more advanced than partnering Dier. Toby is a conundrum, I really cant see Levy allowing him to got for £25M next summer. I have my suspicions his will be a deadline day move.
Would be a huge signing. I've said before in the Bonucci thread, I feel that we need CBs who are better at reading the game than what we already have. Leonardo and Toby would be dreamland defensive signings who would massively benefit the development of our young defensive prospects.
Alderweireld in particular is great at bringing out the best in the players around him, see Jan Vertonghen at spurs, and he is a calming influence in the backline, something which our (at times) nervy team desperately need. Alderweireld is also a consistent player, putting in a similarly high level of performance in throughout the season. He has always been an intelligent player, which has been a strength since he was at Ajax. His composure is visible on the pitch. With this, he offers a genuine threat in attack with his passing ability and strength in the air, whilst having enough pace to help out in the transitions from defence to attack, and to cover counter attacks.
Most importantly, potentially, is that he is a Natural Leader. Toby offers leadership at the back, and this is something that our entire starting 11 has lacked. He manages to ensure the entire defence is awake and aware, therefore spurs defend counter attacks well.
Overall I think he would be our ideal CB signing, you've got to admit, Levy played a blinder getting him for 11 million (!) from Atletico.
Alderweireld in particular is great at bringing out the best in the players around him, see Jan Vertonghen at spurs, and he is a calming influence in the backline, something which our (at times) nervy team desperately need. Alderweireld is also a consistent player, putting in a similarly high level of performance in throughout the season. He has always been an intelligent player, which has been a strength since he was at Ajax. His composure is visible on the pitch. With this, he offers a genuine threat in attack with his passing ability and strength in the air, whilst having enough pace to help out in the transitions from defence to attack, and to cover counter attacks.
Most importantly, potentially, is that he is a Natural Leader. Toby offers leadership at the back, and this is something that our entire starting 11 has lacked. He manages to ensure the entire defence is awake and aware, therefore spurs defend counter attacks well.
Overall I think he would be our ideal CB signing, you've got to admit, Levy played a blinder getting him for 11 million (!) from Atletico.
It’s ColOmbia not Columbia, for Christ sake!!!!
The reason Toby lost his place, it’s because contractual issues and because of his injury. I hope we sign him, he gives our CBS leadership and experience, and has at least 3-4 good years in him.
Well said, @Columbian Mancunian.
I see what you did there LOL
my guess is this will happen. Can't say I'm thrilled by the idea
My dream CB. Great defender with brilliant technical abilities, we would be very fortunate to land someone like him.
He’s one of the best defenders in the premier league if not the world. You should be thrilled
He's now going on about how his omissions last season were unjust, with SSN suggesting United, Chelsea and PSG all in for him.
Wonder how Tottenham will play out this situation. They have a fantastic player who is clearly not fancied at the moment, who also won't be happy playing second fiddle.
They have made it clear he is for sale at a huge fee, which no clubs have gone for. Now they either reduce the fee to hope that some clubs come in for him, or wait it out. However, with the PL window shutting early, they may end up with only PSG in for him at the end of August, which wouldn't be good for price negotiations.
I think we'd take him at a reduced fee, but it's not the end of the world if we don't get him. Our defence was not the problem last year, mainly midfield and we have already signed a good addition in Fred. Toby would be a bonus.
They have made it clear he is for sale at a huge fee, which no clubs have gone for. Now they either reduce the fee to hope that some clubs come in for him, or wait it out. However, with the PL window shutting early, they may end up with only PSG in for him at the end of August, which wouldn't be good for price negotiations.
I think we'd take him at a reduced fee, but it's not the end of the world if we don't get him. Our defence was not the problem last year, mainly midfield and we have already signed a good addition in Fred. Toby would be a bonus.
Spurs will refuse £55m from United and end up accepting £35m from PSG on 31st August.
Spurs will celebrate.
Spurs will celebrate.
Exactly how I see it panning out. PSG just before deadline day for a fraction of what Spurs are charging us.
I could understand them selling him cheaper as they wont be strengthen a direct rival.
That's depend on Toby. If he chooses United, there's nothing Spurs can do.
Other than refusing to sell him to Utd you mean?
No chance he joins United at this stage.. At least Glaston's dream of a £40m+Martial transfer for him will not become a reality 
I’m another one who isn’t thrilled. The last position after GK that needs to be strengthen. Was it 28 conceded goals in PL last season? Better than most of the greatest years under SAF. Yes it would add someone who can play a ball with his feet but doubt that would change anything with Mourinhos tactics. Better to strengthen other positions for example get goal scoring players. IMO.
I think what @Isotope was trying to say was that ultimately if Toby says he only wants to join United, even if Spurs refuse to sell him this summer, he'll leave for his £25m release clause next summer.
However, I don't think that's the case.
I think he will end up at United TBH.
I never said we should prioritise a centre back I merely back up the point that Alderweireld is world class. A left back and right winger are far more important.
Mostly because of DDG and Mourinho's tactics. Not because of the quality of our centre backs. There is still room for improvement.
Then we agree, but I am still not thrilled
Both DDG and Mourinho with his tactics are still there, what would another CB add to the defence? Then I completely disagree with you that the CBs have nothing to do with the low amount of goals conceded. IMO United have several good CBs.
Of course there is room for improvement, but I believe there is room for improvement with today's CB.
Haven't followed the saga, can anyone tell me if there are solid rumours about him signing for us or just 2+2?
Yeh, like @United Pro said. Also, Spurs can choose to sell only abroad, but if Toby refuse, there's nothing Spurs can do.
I feel like we are in a “who blinks first” situation. Spurs want Martial or a big bag of money and we don’t want to give them either. Interesting to see how this one plays out. I really don’t want to give them either. I much rather we look elsewhere instead.
This is stupid, we don’t sell him, and get £25m for him next year, we stil double out initial outlay.
Problem is look for who? There's no-one who fits our bill - even at Levy's price - anywhere near as well. Levy knows it.
On the flip side Levy is going to need to replace him so unless he pre-emptively buys someone with a view to selling Alderweireld abroad post-deadline - not ideal as it'll weaken his negotiating position and he won't have the funds towards purchases this year - so he's even more time-pressured to sell than we are to buy.
Foryh - Wont play
Verts - Will play every single game
Dier - Average centre half
Sanchez - Blows hot and cold (Looks a great prospect though)
£50m for Maguire isn't an insane sum. You paid £42m for Sanchez and that was a far riskier purchase.
You clearly need a centre half if Toby goes. You've only got one consistently great one and one who is talented but inexperienced. That's nothing like enough for a team that will be playing in a brand new stadium linked with the NFL and a microbrewery on site and a tunnel club and the longest bar in England! Are you mad? /sarcasm
Maguire please.
So we chase Maguire by 50 millions but not trying to bid Alderweid for 50-60 millions ?
Alderweid is better than Maguire, he is better than all of our CB. Perhaps Smalling can be equal if he is not so shite in ball handling. Even when he was paired with Verthongen at Spurs, he was the better one.
If we buy Maguire while we can have Toby at the similar or lets say 10-20 persen higher price, i will say it would be like the same loss at the time we picked Lindeloff over Davinson Sanchez.
Alderweid is better than Maguire, he is better than all of our CB. Perhaps Smalling can be equal if he is not so shite in ball handling. Even when he was paired with Verthongen at Spurs, he was the better one.
If we buy Maguire while we can have Toby at the similar or lets say 10-20 persen higher price, i will say it would be like the same loss at the time we picked Lindeloff over Davinson Sanchez.
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