He would help with both.
Toby Alderweireld
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He would help with both.
This. Would be our first CB since Rio and Vida who are able to organize and command a defence.
Yes it was the last data I meant. Would be interesting to compare with other top 6 teams.
I had no idea it was this bad. And I did not know it was so good either, 12 goals from open play is fantastic. Think we can stop discussing about poor defence as even if they would have let in another 5-10 goals they would end up like City in that aspect.
For set pieces it looks like poor organisation and also poor communication between goalie and the other players. Of the defenders it is only Smalling who is really good in the air, Bailly, Lindelof, Jones, DDG are not so good.
I suppose he might. Certainly we need to do something back there, because at the moment we are clearly vulnerable.
Why aren't City interested in him? I think he's a really perfect fit in Pep's playing system and a great replacement for Kompany
That's a mental stat. I didn't realize we were that bad from set pieces. Part of me thinks it's due to a truly settled back 4. I mean only really Valencia and De Gea are the only true mainstays. Everyone else is either injured too much or can't keep their place/not good enough.
Yeah I find this puzzling as well. I was certain that Citeh would be in for one of Toby and Koulibaly this summer.
Perhaps Guardiola is going to 'Mascherano' Fernandinho and turn him in to a CB when Jorginho arrives.
He’s lost a plethora of Aerial dulas that have cost us headed goals especially from set pieces. Usually in high profile games as well.
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I think I have never refute that though, but agreed 100% to that. Now you get me confused.
He's no Van Dijk, but he's better at it than Jones/Rojo in my view, and obviously much more comfortable heading the ball than Bailly/Lindelof.
I remember Lukaku, Matic, and Pogba were guilty of weak man marking. I don't know how you organized that.
It's the same when Madrid conceded two (or three goals?) by Mandzukic (Juve, CL), when it was Carvajal marking him far post. People said Madrid missed Ramos, but even if they had Maldini there, it wouldn't prevent Carvajal weak man marking at far post against Mandzukic.
It really wouldn't. Obviously it wouldn't be quite as good as it is, but it wouldn't change 'that' much.
I know this season is De Gea's best going by the stats, but personally I feel he's been a bit below where he was the last few seasons. He had two periods this season where his form dropped a bit, one at the beginning of the season and one midway through. During both of those periods he conceded a couple of goals that I'd normally expect him or any other top keeper to save. Don't get me wrong, he's still probably been the best keeper in the world, but it's not like he's been perfect this season.
I mean they just signed Laporte for 63m, how much money do they want to spend on defenders when it’s not a problem area for them? I think they’d rather spend on some depth in midfield and attack.
Plethora? Really?
Kompany and Van Dijk are two I remember, both of whom just happen to be amongst the best aerial threats in the league. Smalling is one of the best in the league himself, but against others of that level he's not going to win every one. How many others have there actually been?
Yeh. I only remember Kompany's goal in high profile games. What else?
I think CBs success is based more on system than any other position. So you can not assume that a CB who was successful in another system will be just as good in a completely different system. Bonucci's meh form with Milan is a recent example of that. And Alderweireld spent most of his career playing in a high line with Ajax, Southampton and Spurs. He might not be great playing in a lower block.
Im pretty confident Jose can get a CB of Alderweireld’s quality to play in a lower block.
His move to Atletico did not really work out.
Was that because he wasnt good enough or because they just had so many good options?
That was a while ago now. He has improved as a player and is older.
Of the players we are being linked to, this story and Sandro are the only ones I hope actually happen, Alderweireld is the organizational brain our back 4 could use.
he is not the organizational brain. Jan is. Spurs didn't deteriorate when Alderweireld was injured for so long
Very telling and important details. We have no excuses whatsoever for our players not being able to deal with set pieces - other than the obvious, we don't mark well enough on set pieces. And thats despite our players like Lukaku and Fellaini coming back to 'help' while a lot of other teams have their attacking players/strikers ready to break from the half way line if we get the ball.
But yeah just 12 goals from open play is pretty amazing. It shows without doubt that defensively our CBs have done a good job. Obviously on the ball we can hope for a bit of improvement, but just so long as we don't lose sight of what our CBs this season were actually good at - Defending. I know they're English and not from fancy countries but they did a very good job at the main task of their role.
They both were. There were plenty of times Jan was out or playing lb and Spurs were great too
Infact this is the first season Jan has stepped up his level
Isn't that like with pretty much any position? I mean, if you have a good system player will look better and opposite.
Maybe says more about our defensive Prowess against set pieces than anything
That, and Bailly trying to kung-fu pretty much everything that comes his way.
Seems like that is a recent development is he trying too hard after coming back from his injury layoff and surgery?
Not sure Eye, I just think he goes for the spectacular.
Tbh, think he and Alderweireld would be great together.
Not sure Eye, I just think he goes for the spectacular.
Tbh, think he and Alderweireld would be great together.
He needs to calm the feck down with that wax on wax off Mr Miyagi shite. Too erratic of late.
Few valiums. Or calm and composed defender as Alderweireld and he will be fine.
One can only hope. I think with a settled partnership it will be ironed out since we don’t know from week to week who will be playing as a pair there for one reason or another. It’s not just unsettling for the back line but the whole team.
Strange that Romero has conceded very few goals when starting for United. 16 goals conceded in 38 matches in all competitions. 2 goals in 7 matches in the PL.
Alderweireld would be a strange use of transfer funds and space on the wage bill. He has already rejected a salary offer from Spurs that is close to what United pay our central defenders. 29 and missed a big chunk of this season. Plays in a team that uses a completely different system to us.
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We have one nailed on starting CB whom you could make an argument he’s only in that position because he’s the only one that can stay fit.
It’s not strange at all that we might be considering splashing that cash there.
What you said is true but same is true for every position maybe except GK.
Some play fullbacks as wingbacks with more defensive cover from defensive mids, some play fullbacks with more cautious approach.
Some play centre midfielders as extra attackers and asks them to make runs to the box, some play CMs cautiously and asks them to play in a zone. Also midfield functioning depends on how well other midfielders compliments with your style.
You can do this for every position like attacking midfielders, wingers and strikers.
Alderweireld is very good CB, best in the league. Whether he played high line of low block matters little as he is good CB who has proved himself at 3 clubs.
I don't want United to sign Toby because I can't spell his surname. And I can't be bothered to learn it off either.
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Far better than what we have now
Smalling is in his pomp heading straight balls from central areas. He struggles with movement in the box at set pieces (corners or free kicks from wide) in my opinion. So he’s not so dominant at set pieces like corners. Still very good in the air but his marking is poor (hence we see a lot of grabbing from him).
Thats marking. He's also given the toughest assignments on set piece duty and the offensive player always gets a run on the ball, so a good quality of cross means they always have the advantage over the defender. He can still do better sometimes than he does on set pieces, could probably use his body a bit better to block that run at the ball but thats another thing that can lead to a foul like the shirt holding.
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