Timo Werner to Chelsea

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Dumbstar said:
This is a fairer response. Thanks. I did my best tongue biting when posting that to be as fair as possible. Sancho has not signed yet and until he does it's only "ifs".

Bruno is world class IMO, for me potential PL player of the season if he can carry on his form next year, and he will bring the best out of Martial, Rashford and Pogba. However, Utd are not a top four looking team yet from an outsider's perspective. A big reason for that is because you have Ole in charge. That's also IMO of course.

Chelsea with kids, literally kids, are finishing ahead of Ole this season. That's unacceptable, whatever the excuses. Utd will be stronger next season but as we're seeing, Chelsea will too. One thing to not change will be Ole
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Not sure what you mean by "kids, literally kids" but that argument does not hold water.

If you are being objective you might also mention Lampard's and Ole's starting point.

I wouldn't go compare transfers and next season squads just yet anyway.
 
Fantastic young talent, will lead the line for Germany in the future as well. I am surprised people here don't rate him highly. He's dynamic, has good technique and has shown himself to be very intelligent in his movement.

I'm jealous of how Chelsea have wrapped this up so cheaply and efficiently. Their squad is turning out to be quite something.
 
Seems an astute signing to me, good way to invest some of the Hazard money. Generally our transfer business is very well run.

Ultimately there won't be many big transfers going forward due to financial difficulties, pretty certain we're only willing to pay his release as we already sold Hazard but couldn't reinvest due to the ban. That is why Liverpool won't match our bid.
 
KM said:
Werner is 24 years old and has got a goal or an assist at every 75 mins.
Sancho is 20 years old and has got a goal or an assist at every 59 mins
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One of them will be twice as expensive., though...
 
Orc said:
Were it not for the virus he'd surely be a Liverpool player. Klopp is arguably the top coach in the world right now and had multiple conversations with Werner. If he wants him that's good enough to convince me.

I think many more clubs would be after him if these were normal times. We just so happen to have loads of cash laying around due to the transfer ban.
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I think your only real competition was Liverpool. Madrid have Benzema and have just invested on jovic, Atleti just got Morata off of you guys and Barca have a hard on for Lautaro Martinez. Haaland at dortmund, Lewa at Bayern. The other English top teams don't seem to have a striker as a priority signing. Juve seem to be trying to upgrade their midfield not the attack. There was a lot of movement of strikers to big teams last summer.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Maybe good news for us? Since Chelsea is competing with us for Sancho, now that they got Werner, maybe they won’t spend big again on another forward?
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The hope is they try to fix their leaky defence instead
 
Mb194dc said:
Seems an astute signing to me, good way to invest some of the Hazard money. Generally our transfer business is very well run.

Ultimately there won't be many big transfers going forward due to financial difficulties, pretty certain we're only willing to pay his release as we already sold Hazard but couldn't reinvest due to the ban. That is why Liverpool won't match our bid.
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I think Liverpool are just skint. 50m for a player of Werners caliber is not that much even in this current climate. Look at how much you guys sold Morata for.
 
2ndTouch said:
One of them will be twice as expensive., though...
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It’s kind of a moot point though in the sense Werner is more valuable to Chelsea who need a striker and Sancho more valuable to us who need a RW.

Of course Sancho will cost more as he has produced higher quality performances at a younger age and he’s English so any English club will pay a premium.

The question will be who was a better signing and potentially better value which cannot be decided until we see their performances
 
flappyjay said:
I think Liverpool are just skint. 50m for a player of Werners caliber is not that much even in this current climate. Look at how much you guys sold Morata for.
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They certainly aren’t skint but I don’t feel there is the same demand/need for a striker like Werner at Liverpool as Firmino, Salah and Mane still have a few peak years left in them.

Unless one of them leaves I don’t see heavy investment in the squad for Liverpool this season.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
They certainly aren’t skint but I don’t feel there is the same demand/need for a striker like Werner at Liverpool as Firmino, Salah and Mane still have a few peak years left in them.

Unless one of them leaves I don’t see heavy investment in the squad for Liverpool this season.
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Klopp asked for more time to raise the funds. They seemingly desperately wanted him.
 
Dumbstar said:
This is a fairer response. Thanks. I did my best tongue biting when posting that to be as fair as possible. Sancho has not signed yet and until he does it's only "ifs".

Bruno is world class IMO, for me potential PL player of the season if he can carry on his form next year, and he will bring the best out of Martial, Rashford and Pogba. However, Utd are not a top four looking team yet from an outsider's perspective. A big reason for that is because you have Ole in charge. That's also IMO of course.

Chelsea with kids, literally kids, are finishing ahead of Ole this season. That's unacceptable, whatever the excuses. Utd will be stronger next season but as we're seeing, Chelsea will too. One thing to not change will be Ole
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Long term injuries to three of our best attacking players (Pogba, Rashford and Martial) was particularly unfortunate this season. Without those I think we’d have been confirmatory ahead of Chelsea.
 
Dancfc said:
Greenwoods been mainly playing on the wing right? Especially in the league.
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Only because he's young and raw. He's a striker. Scored a hatrick against Chelsea youth team to knock them out of the youth Cup for first time in 4 years not too long ago. I was there. The lad is going to be a superstar. Far better than Martial and Werner from what I have seen. We've struck lucky with a generational talent.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
It’s incredible business on paper. Two excellent talents for very reasonable prices.
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Good players but both are a pretty slight builds. I think Chelsea will have a physicality issue with Ziyech, Werner, Mount and Pulisic in the same side. Kante and Kovacic are both good players but neither are tall or strong. Defending set pieces could be a nightmare.
 
Werner has been fantastic at RBL, but they also have a very good midfield that play at a high tempo and supply him with endless chances.

He's the type that when confident can absolutely batter you, or have a stinker and miss plenty. One thing he does guarantee though is work rate combined with great speed, probably the most Jamie Vardy striker out there without the aggression.

I think he will do well personally as long as they don't kill him like they did Morata if he doesn't start strong.
 
Feed Me said:
You spent over £100m on a goalkeeper and centre half to win the league. How much did Keita and Fabinho cost while we’re at it?
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VVD and Alisson were funded by Coutinho's sale. Our net spend since Klopp arrived is £107m, about 25m a season. Looks like we are going to start the new season with the same squad for the 3rd consecutive year.
Safe to say FSG are penny-pinching owners.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think he will do well personally as long as they don't kill him like they did Morata if he doesn't start strong.
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Morata actually did start strong though, he had 6 in 6 in the league including a hat-trick.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
They certainly aren’t skint but I don’t feel there is the same demand/need for a striker like Werner at Liverpool as Firmino, Salah and Mane still have a few peak years left in them.

Unless one of them leaves I don’t see heavy investment in the squad for Liverpool this season.
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Would make the second transfer window in a row where they didn't buy anyone. Betting on their front three to always make it through 70+ games a season without picking up serious injuries is a huge gamble.
 
2ndTouch said:
Would make the second transfer window in a row where they didn't buy anyone. Betting on their front three to always make it through 70+ games a season without picking up serious injuries is a huge gamble.
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Well, add that to the AFCON in January, they will definitely need another forward.
 
flappyjay said:
I think Liverpool are just skint. 50m for a player of Werners caliber is not that much even in this current climate. Look at how much you guys sold Morata for.
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Pre Covid 19 they would have matched our bid I think, now they don't want to though as will lose loads of money like all clubs. We promised Lampard the Hazard money to spend so still paying a pre covid 19 transfer price. I expect transfer fees to collapse over the next couple of years and there to be lots of swaps.

I think he'll take number 11 which hopefully bodes well for him in the premier league.
 
2ndTouch said:
Would make the second transfer window in a row where they didn't buy anyone. Betting on their front three to always make it through 70+ games a season without picking up serious injuries is a huge gamble.
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I think Liverpool's bussiness model is much, much closer to Arsenal/Spurs than City/UTD. Personally I see Gerrard replacing Klopp two years from now and Pool trying to do smart deals instead of spend, spend.
Mb194dc said:
Seems an astute signing to me, good way to invest some of the Hazard money. Generally our transfer business is very well run.

Ultimately there won't be many big transfers going forward due to financial difficulties, pretty certain we're only willing to pay his release as we already sold Hazard but couldn't reinvest due to the ban. That is why Liverpool won't match our bid.
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You sold Morata+Hazard for 150M+, right? So still should have 60+ available. Plus sales and other money.
 
Looking forward to watching how he does in the prem. Personally think at that price we should have been in for him but let's hope we get Sancho to make up for it.
 
Sounds like a great signing for them. With Pulisic, Hiyach, Abraham and Hudson-odoi their front like seems sorted if they can get him. Probably need to focus on defence though if they want a title challenge.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Werner has been fantastic at RBL, but they also have a very good midfield that play at a high tempo and supply him with endless chances.

He's the type that when confident can absolutely batter you, or have a stinker and miss plenty. One thing he does guarantee though is work rate combined with great speed, probably the most Jamie Vardy striker out there without the aggression.

I think he will do well personally as long as they don't kill him like they did Morata if he doesn't start strong.
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We didnt kill morata.
He had a really good start to the season. Then had a game away at arsenal where he missed 3/4 sitters and it broke him. Hes mentally weak.
 
sparx99 said:
Good players but both are a pretty slight builds. I think Chelsea will have a physicality issue with Ziyech, Werner, Mount and Pulisic in the same side. Kante and Kovacic are both good players but neither are tall or strong. Defending set pieces could be a nightmare.
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Chelsea wouldn’t have all of them on at the same time I wouldn’t have thought.

Kante is strong for his size incredible power to weight ratio.

I agree though set pieces could become a problem!
2ndTouch said:
Would make the second transfer window in a row where they didn't buy anyone. Betting on their front three to always make it through 70+ games a season without picking up serious injuries is a huge gamble.
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I’m sure they will add to the squad I just don’t see them doing so heavily.

I mean looking at their squad I don’t see a a glaring hole. Maybe a younger CM/CF/Wing?

I mean players you’d swap out from the first XI:

Alison - Nope
TAA - Nope
VVD - Nope
Gomes/Matip - Maybe?
Robertson - Nope
Fabinho - Nope
Henderson/Ox - At a real push
Wijnaldum - Nope
Salah - Nope
Firmino - Nope
Mane - Nope

It’s a pretty complete XI.
 
I don't really get the complaint from our fans about Werner 'replacing' Tammy. A lot of our fans are calling for a striker to be signed as well as a right winger/forward, yet we expect Mason Greenwood to get more than enough involvement to develop and become our main striker one day. I don't see why Abraham can't do similar at Chelsea. If they want to maintain Champions League football and get closer to Liverpool & Man City they have to do this. They're in a rather similar position to us really.

This is a good signing and I would assume over the next few years the days of Giroud, Pedro and Willian are numbered for example.

Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech, Abraham, Hudson-Odoi +1 looks like a really nice selection of forwards to have. I expect us to have something along the lines of Rashford, Martial, Sancho, James, Ighalo, Greenwood as our six main forwards for comparison sake (with Ighalo replaced next year). It's good competition for places and good squad depth.
 
Pep's Suit said:
You sold Morata+Hazard for 150M+, right? So still should have 60+ available. Plus sales and other money.
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Chelsea did spend £40m to make Kovacic's deal permanent last summer though.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Chelsea wouldn’t have all of them on at the same time I wouldn’t have thought.

Kante is strong for his size incredible power to weight ratio.

I agree though set pieces could become a problem!

I’m sure they will add to the squad I just don’t see them doing so heavily.

I mean looking at their squad I don’t see a a glaring hole. Maybe a younger CM/CF/Wing?

I mean players you’d swap out from the first XI:

Alison - Nope
TAA - Nope
VVD - Nope
Gomes/Matip - Maybe?
Robertson - Nope
Fabinho - Nope
Henderson/Ox - At a real push
Wijnaldum - Nope
Salah - Nope
Firmino - Nope
Mane - Nope

It’s a pretty complete XI.
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This is the problem Klopp will have in the next year or so. Every player he goes for will want regular football.

Mane, Salah, Frimino, VVD are all hitting 30 soon, will be interesting to see how Klopp deals with this transition.
 
Chelsea with the usual transfer out of nowhere then :/

Obviously dont follow Chelsea rumours on a daily basis but this is pretty much out of left field considering Werner and Liverpools public love affair?

Anyway good Liverpool didnt get him, not sure we were going to prioritise a striker after extending Ighalos loan anyway. The concern is he will be great for Chelsea and strengthen them.

How come the likes of Madrid werent after him? Hasnt Jovic been pretty bad for them?
 
I don't really see it with Werner. He seems alright, but I think there's a reason why his most substantial link so far is being Liverpool's backup striker.
 
romufc said:
Ziyech and Werner this summer.
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Yeah, just saying, you mentioned the Hazard + Morata money, which has essentially translated into Ziyech, Werner this summer, plus Kovacic last summer, so the extra £60m from the sales is more like £15-20m.
 
CM10 said:
I don't really see it with Werner. He seems alright, but I think there's a reason why his most substantial link so far is being Liverpool's backup striker.
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Which big team is desperate for a striker? There is a reason why there are no strong links for someone like aubameyang despite the fact that it's obvious he wants to leave. All the big teams seem to be content with their options on the st position.
 
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