A midfield trio of Pogba, Bakayoko and Herrera would be right up Mourinho's street. Nimble diminutive midfielders have never been his thing.
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Herrera is nimble and quite small by way of defensive midfielders. He's below average height at 5'9 is he not?
He's 6 foot
I think just because he's thin he looks smaller.Surprisingly Herrera is actually 6 feet tall.
Think you've made the mistake I sometimes make with Google, thinking that 5.9 feet is the same as 5 foot 9.
He's 6 foot
How on earth is Herrera 6 foot?!
I'm not having that. There's simply no way. I thought he would be 5 foot 5 or something along those lines. Crazy.
Surprisingly, a lot of fans' first choice Verratti is 5 foot 5. Guess that rules him out.
He is 6 feet but i think him playing alongside Pogba(6'3) and Carrick(6'2). Also he is friends with mata and you would think midgets are only friendly to other midgets.
He's 6 foot
Is he really? Doesn't look it. Fair enough in that case, 6ft is quite obviously tall enough.
I think so too, although even when I see him live I never recognised it.
I'm leaning towards Carrick's replacement being nothing like Carrick. Mourinho has always liked a destroyer/machine protecting the back 4 so I reckon he'll go for that type of player who, while not having an amazing passing range, still controls the game and does all the dog-work to allow the other midfielders all the creative input.
He's taller than me and I'm 5. 11
He has 11 year olds shoulders, makes him look small, with a big head.
It's probably because Zlatan at 6'5, Pogba at 6'3, Fellaini 6'3, Carrick 6'2, Smalling 6'5 etc all make him look smaller than he is. We've got quite a big team now. Even Mata/Lingard are only 5'8 which is average weight.
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You don't need a Carrick clone but you need one of the midfield 3 to be a player that can control the tempo of a match, a trio of Bakayoko/Pogba/Herrera will be all hot air and bluster but lacking a brain piece as well as defensive protection.
You can maybe win the PL with that type of midfield I think, I mean Leicester did, but if you look at the elite European sides they all have that CM in either the Carrick or Scholes mold that can dictate the tempo which is important for CL football.
You can maybe win the PL with that type of midfield I think, I mean Leicester did, but if you look at the elite European sides they all have that CM in either the Carrick or Scholes mold that can dictate the tempo which is important for CL football.
Who's to say we won't sign 1 of those aswell? We are pretty much replacing Schneiderlin/Schweisteiger/Carrick within 2 years. Bakayoko is similar to Schneiderlin, but hopefully more confident going forward.
I didn't say we weren't, my post was directed towards the notion that Bakayoko would be a good fit with Pogba and Herrera, which he wouldn't IMO, he'd be decent competition/cover for Ander though.
Barca don't. They have lacked midfield control for a while now. Bayern's midfield in their treble year didn't have one. Atletico have reached 2 CL finals without a deep laying midfielder as well.
Barca have Busquets and Iniesta, the Bayern team had Schweinsteiger, Atletico don't but their whole identity is built on defense.
Bastian was box to box ala Pogba. It was Martinez who sat back.
Iniesta is an attacker more than a midfielder and Busquets doesn't dictate the tempo of games. He hasn't the passing range of Carrick or Scholes to spread the ball or dictate any tempo with Messi etc alongside him. If anything that was Xavi and they've won a few league titles and a CL since he was phased out.
Again Barca haven't had midfield control v top sides for a few seasons now. They pass it forward to the front 3 as quickly as they can
what is the latest news? are we getting him?
I think the case is more that all the top "Carricks" out there today are already at big teams, and there simply aren't any of them playing at a decent level at mid-table clubs we could identify and go for.
Modric, Kroos, Weigl, Verratti, Busquets are all playing at top clubs who wouldn't sell to United.
Javi Martinez is also a similar player, but he's at Bayern and has been pretty much destroyed by injuries at this point.
Bastian controlled games, you don't need to be the deepest CM to dictate the game, same with Iniesta at Barca or Silva at City, they can control the game from a more advanced role. Busquets isn't as good as Carrick passing-wise but he is very good, the change at Barca has to do with the fact they have a videogame forward line which has decreased Barca's use of posession.
So we don't need a holding midfielder type ala Carrick to dictate games if we have it elsewhere on the pitch?
Again Ill point to Pogba
Isn't the change at Barca more tactical? They've given up the focus on possession to take advantage of that brutal frontline. Busquets is a very, very intelligent passer and can control games. He might not have the range, but he sets the tempo and starts their moves by picking up the ball from the CBs.
I think people who are hoping for a player similar to Carrick are gonna be very dissapointed. Because I believe Mourinho favours the combative/physical type of player who has good mobility.
100% agree here. It's more tactical change. Busquet can't really set neck breaking tempo, but he's more than enough to dictate slow to medium tempo. It's more a tactical change to get the best out of Neymar and Suarez (Messi is just fine with slow tempo). Neymar struggled in his first season due to the slow build up not suit his style. Under Luiz Enrique, Barcelona is more direct and using more long ball.
Nah, I dont think so anyway. Their lack of control is down to losing Xavi and Iniesta aging. That's why they're so down on Rakitic form and brought in Gomes.
It's funny how the first thing he does in this video is the Fellaini Face Jab. But that aside, he would be a great addition to our midfield. Even if we replace Carrick with this guy i think as a midfield unit we'd be able to dominate teams physically and harass their midfield out of the game. His explosiveness and presence is reminiscent of a younger Yaya Toure.
A midfield 3 of Pogba, Herrera and Bakayoko can even exchange roles amongst each other, even though it isn't a long term benefit per se, but can be tactically employed in certain situations to break down other teams. I for one would love this signing.
Cox with some pretty good analysis here, showing how Enrique has changed the team to get the most out of Messi and Neymar by focusing play down the flanks rather than hoarding the ball in the middle under Pep.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/featu...volved-yet-still-manage-dominate-europes-best
Even if you believe that it still shows you don't need a Carrick / Scholes spreading the play to be successsful.
That's not what Pogba is IMO, he's best when playing off the cuff and on instinct in the final 3rd, rather than with patience and a metronomic style.
Mourino has used proper playmakers like Alonso, Modric and Fabregas as well, if he tries for a pure cruncher he'll be the one ultimately disappointed when the output of Pogba declines.
You definitely don't need to spread the play, you can dominate with short passing, movement and through balls but you still need a sort of hub in midfield someone who feels the game and will decide where and when the ball goes.
Can't understand why everyone is hell bent on getting a Carrick clone. Carrick won't be here beyond next season at the most. If we sign this guy in this window, Carrick could well leave in the summer. Time to move on.
I don't think that's the case. Pogba did just well, IMO was still improving without any disruption after Pirlo left, leaving him with more brute force midfield partners. It's more about how he's not too burdened with defensive duty like under Deschamps' France or teammates can't control the football upfront and lead to being constantly pushed back. If the game flows, IMO even playing as part of midfield 2 is fine for him. He's similar to Vieira in this manner.
Is he somewhat comparable to Michael essian.
Mourinho signed him at Chelsea and then again at Real Madrid for abit. Is he that type of midfielder.
Mourinho signed him at Chelsea and then again at Real Madrid for abit. Is he that type of midfielder.
Don't know why you think Mourinho would go for a pure cruncher, This isn't the EPL from the 90s.
Players like Bakayoko are much better than what you give them credit for. And players of that ilk are much more than just being "pure crunchers"
He isn't similar to Vieira. Vieira was able to control the game, Vieira was the ultimate midfielder able to do everything at a very high level also Marchisio is able to control the flow in midfield, he has a great vision and a large passing range.
I meant Vieira can get frustration in the scenario that his team can't flow and they being constantly pushed back. Pogba is similar in that sense. I said that due to people judge Pogba's ability in 2 man midfield without taking into context that he played that under Deschamps' restriction, and during a time when our attackers at United are all over the place who constantly give the ball away cheaply. Then Fellaini as midfield part doesn't help. Give him a competent partner who is more defensive oriented then we can revisit the 2 man midfield, which I am positive for better outcome this time.
No, people are saying that he can't because he has been literally lost from a tactical standpoint. To be perfectly honest Pogba isn't the smartest player tactically but he has the intelligence of knowing it and seeking help when needed which is why he is always discussing with Deschamps and I'm sure that he does the same with Mourinho.
Now Pogba is only 23, that's very young for a midfielder and I have no doubt that with the help of Mourinho he will improve but today Pogba is a very skilled headless chicken.
From the description he sounds a lot like Fellaini if Fellaini were actually good at football.
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