Tiemoue Bakayoko

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MounchesterUtd said:
I see. Why'd they sell off Martial, Carasco, Kondogbia and James in like a 3 year span though? Or are they perfectly content with being the Dortmund of France?
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Monaco is a two thousands inhabitant city filled with millionaires who don't care about football and the club can't attract big sponsors. So their plan is to produce players through the academy, sign experienced players for little money and purchase the best talents possible in order to develop and sell them for big money.

People need to realize that not every club can be Manchester United.
 
Jose must think the title race is on if we're going for him in January
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah exactly. You don't want Pogba dropping into the defence to get the ball.

Just looked at one of those youtube highlights vids of Bakayoko. Looks ok but nothing special and the French league is miles slower than the PL (really took me by surprise actually).

Would Guaye at Everton not be better than this lad? Proven ability to play DM in the Prem against good pressing teams.
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Bakayoko is actually pretty good from what Ive seen.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Who would this guy replace in the current XI?
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Most likely Herrera in the current midfield 3. I can't see him taking Carrick's place, he doesnt have the defensive discipline, or the composure and distribution of Carrick to play that role. But he could develop into a top class box to box player, and complement Pogba and Carrick's replacement.

If we're after French players, then just get Tolisso while we're at it (to replace Carrick) and make it a French trio in midfield, as well as Martial and Greizman:drool:
 
With Schneiderlin up for sale and Bastien out of favour and looking past it we are way too light in midfield to challenge on multiple fronts. Getting this guy gives us an alternative to Herrera and Carrick but can also allow us to play 4-2-3-1 when Pogba is out.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah exactly. You don't want Pogba dropping into the defence to get the ball.

Just looked at one of those youtube highlights vids of Bakayoko. Looks ok but nothing special and the French league is miles slower than the PL (really took me by surprise actually).

Would Guaye at Everton not be better than this lad? Proven ability to play DM in the Prem against good pressing teams.
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Gueye would be another Schneiderlin, doesnt have the ability to play in our midfield. Lots of players have come from the French league and dominated in the EPL, Martial is doing just fine. Bakayoko dominated Spurs in the Champs League, and PSG earlier this season in the league.
 
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redNATION said:
If we're after French players, then just get Tolisso while we're at it (to replace Carrick) and make it a French trio in midfield, as well as Martial and Greizman:drool:
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Isn't Tolisso, like Bakayoko, more of a defensive box-to-box midfielder aswell?
 
Based entirely off the way he's been described in this thread, I hope the plan isn't to play a midfield of Bakayoko/Herrera/Pogba. It would be bizarre to spend the first half of the season talking about the essential qualities Carrick brings to our midfield only to then sign someone without those essential qualities to take his place.

Of course I haven't ruled out the notion that either a) he wouldn't replace Carrick or b) the people talking about Bakayoko suck at evaluating players and he'd actually be excellent in that role.
 
sullydnl said:
Based entirely off the way he's been described in this thread, I hope the plan isn't to play a midfield of Bakayoko/Herrera/Pogba. It would be bizarre to spend the first half of the season talking about the essential qualities Carrick brings to our midfield only to then sign someone without those essential qualities to take his place.

Of course I haven't ruled out the notion that either a) he wouldn't replace Carrick or b) the people talking about Bakayoko suck at evaluating players and he'd actually be excellent in that role.
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Maybe Lindelof would go some way to making up for the loss of Carrick?
 
Buying a french dude from Monaco in january... what could possibly go wrong?
 
Such a cool name.

I haven't seem him play but a more physical Matic does sound like a very interesting prospect.
 
sullydnl said:
Based entirely off the way he's been described in this thread, I hope the plan isn't to play a midfield of Bakayoko/Herrera/Pogba. It would be bizarre to spend the first half of the season talking about the essential qualities Carrick brings to our midfield only to then sign someone without those essential qualities to take his place.

Of course I haven't ruled out the notion that either a) he wouldn't replace Carrick or b) the people talking about Bakayoko suck at evaluating players and he'd actually be excellent in that role.
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That argument is based on the assumption that Carrick's role in the team is one that Mourinho wants to stick with once the player retires. The reason we were all desperate for Carrick to be brought into the team was because Pogba plays best in a midfield 3 and Carrick is the best player we have to facilitate that. But that's no guarantee that Mourinho will persist with a defensive midfielder whose main roles are to screen the defence and play from deep. Bakayoko seems more like a traditional Mourinho midfielder than Carrick does.
 
I fully expect Mourinho to replace Carrick with a player similar to Bakayoko or Bakayoko himself.
 
Globule said:
That argument is based on the assumption that Carrick's role in the team is one that Mourinho wants to stick with once the player retires. The reason we were all desperate for Carrick to be brought into the team was because Pogba plays best in a midfield 3 and Carrick is the best player we have to facilitate that. But that's no guarantee that Mourinho will persist with a defensive midfielder whose main roles are to screen the defence and play from deep. Bakayoko seems more like a traditional Mourinho midfielder than Carrick does.
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Aye but the qualities I'm talking about don't necessarily have to be provided by the #6, they could be provided by the the #8 instead if you replaced Herrera. It doesn't matter which way we skin the cat really or which player holds the knife.

If Mou's plan is to have a three of Bakayoko, Herrera and Pogba though then those qualities apparently don't exist in our midfield, which is a problem I think. Again though, that's just based on the way he's been described by some in this thread.
 
sullydnl said:
Aye but the qualities I'm talking about don't necessarily have to be provided by the #6, they could be provided by the the #8 instead if you replaced Herrera. It doesn't matter which way we skin the cat really or which player holds the knife.

If Mou's plan is to have a three of Bakayoko, Herrera and Pogba though then those qualities apparently don't exist in our midfield, which is a problem I think. Again though, that's just based on the way he's been described by some in this thread.
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The #6 and #8 at Chelsea were Makelele and Essien. I don't see any of those qualities in that midfield either.
 
He's brilliant. Watched a bit of Monaco this season and they've many interesting players.

This guy could be a colossus in midfield. He was great against Spurs. I remember the commentators saying that they're convinced he'll be at a too club soon.
 
notcool said:
The #6 and #8 at Chelsea were Makelele and Essien. I don't see any of those qualities in that midfield either.
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Maybe Mourinho wants to play with a flat midfield three and Mkhi has a #10 which answers the "what do we do with Griezmann" question, switch to a 4312.
 
pocco said:
He's brilliant. Watched a bit of Monaco this season and they've many interesting players.

This guy could be a colossus in midfield. He was great against Spurs. I remember the commentators saying that they're convinced he'll be at a too club soon.
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Yes and sometimes its all about a player's skill set and what a manager can do with them with a bit of coaching. Things like positioning, defensive covering can be devoped with application on the training ground but physical attributes and technique can not.
 
Globule said:
that's no guarantee that Mourinho will persist with a defensive midfielder whose main roles are to screen the defence and play from deep. Bakayoko seems more like a traditional Mourinho midfielder than Carrick does.
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Great point. We've been searching for a Carrick replacement for so long that we (the fans) have often overlooked that it's Jose who's managing us now.

I haven't seen him enough but Lindelof is supposedly good at playing from the back too. Maybe Jose thinks that's enough.
 
kr0nix said:
The article alludes to it in these two sentences:
His ability on the ball makes him a serious attacking force too; he has won 36 take-ons at a 71% success rate and averages over 50 passes per 90 minutes. Having only created four chances, his passing range is not expansive, yet with the amount of take-ons he completes, Bakayoko is adept at carrying the ball out of defence and releasing the more creative outlets.
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It doesn't say anything about the left side of the pitch, which is what I was referring to.
 
sullydnl said:
Based entirely off the way he's been described in this thread, I hope the plan isn't to play a midfield of Bakayoko/Herrera/Pogba. It would be bizarre to spend the first half of the season talking about the essential qualities Carrick brings to our midfield only to then sign someone without those essential qualities to take his place.

Of course I haven't ruled out the notion that either a) he wouldn't replace Carrick or b) the people talking about Bakayoko suck at evaluating players and he'd actually be excellent in that role.
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Could be either.... but also that Jose isn't planning to play a 3-man MF OR is thinking of a 3-man MF but without a Carrick-style holding/passing player. Has played without one in some of his previously successful teams and you get the idea Jose likes 'strong' physical players?

I'd like to keep a Carrick-style player (wanted Kroos) but if the team plays well, plays attacking football and challenges, I'm easy.
 
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Stands out among Ligue 1 Midfielders too. Would have included Krychowiak but he didnt have a great deal of Ligue 1 minutes. Interesting how his attack score is on par woth Veratti's, yet he is miles ahead in defense.
 
From looking at his highlights with him, Herrera and Pogba we'd have one of the most athletic, dynamic midfields in the world. There would be a lack of composure that could be exploited by some teams though.
 
sullydnl said:
Based entirely off the way he's been described in this thread, I hope the plan isn't to play a midfield of Bakayoko/Herrera/Pogba. It would be bizarre to spend the first half of the season talking about the essential qualities Carrick brings to our midfield only to then sign someone without those essential qualities to take his place.

Of course I haven't ruled out the notion that either a) he wouldn't replace Carrick or b) the people talking about Bakayoko suck at evaluating players and he'd actually be excellent in that role.
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Surely in that midfield, it'd be Herrera who'd be the deepest midfielder? He played the role earlier in the season when we tried Pogba, Fellaini and him in a midfield three together.
 
In my opinion Fabinho was more impressive this season and generally is better suited to play with Pogba and Herrera. Bakayoko is very promising player though, will be glad with that transfer.
 
For January window's reality this would be a feast if you could also add Lindelof to the mix as it's really not that easy to get fairly good talents this time of a year. That Bakayoko lad uses both technique and strength on and off the ball and sometimes it may look tidy as Pogba's way of dealing things on the pitch.

Not saying he'll be the new Pog but the spark is there and perhaps he could take Matuidi's place in French team maybe in few years with stable progress and good player management.

After deals of Martial & Evra I guess I have only nice things to say about Monaco's quality of players but for January's reality again it's hard to complain if that's the midfield target.
 
If we don't get him it'll be interesting to see how he plays against City. Surprised they're not looking at him to replace Toure.

Surely signing Bakayoko and Semedo wouldn't look too good for Fosu-Mensah? Hopefully he goes out on loan for a season next season.
 
as-95 said:
Stands out among Ligue 1 Midfielders too. Would have included Krychowiak but he didnt have a great deal of Ligue 1 minutes. Interesting how his attack score is on par woth Veratti's, yet he is miles ahead in defense.
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Probably worth adding in the Nice midfielders. Maybe his teammate Fabinho two the contrast their roles?
 
Van Piorsing said:
For January window's reality this would be a feast if you could also add Lindelof to the mix as it's really not that easy to get fairly good talents this time of a year. That Bakayoko lad uses both technique and strength on and off the ball and sometimes it may look tidy as Pogba's way of dealing things on the pitch.

Not saying he'll be the new Pog but the spark is there and perhaps he could take Matuidi's place in French team maybe in few years with stable progress and good player management.

After deals of Martial & Evra I guess I have only nice things to say about Monaco's quality of players but for January's reality again it's hard to complain if that's the midfield target.
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That part worries me, Ivory Coast are trying to get him and he won't play for France if he isn't starting at club level. So it's probably best for France if he is in a club were he is a guaranteed starter.
 
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