Tiemoue Bakayoko

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Fortitude said:
Very odd that they don't mention his propensity to drive forward and/or occupy the left side of the field. He seems to be almost an identikit of the way Pogba plays, just without the same skill.
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The article alludes to it in these two sentences:
His ability on the ball makes him a serious attacking force too; he has won 36 take-ons at a 71% success rate and averages over 50 passes per 90 minutes. Having only created four chances, his passing range is not expansive, yet with the amount of take-ons he completes, Bakayoko is adept at carrying the ball out of defence and releasing the more creative outlets.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Herrera has got the interception ability to hold but wouldn't pick out Rashford in the way Carrick did. DM, yes, playmaker, no. But that could be balanced by Pogba and another creative passing 8.
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The main skills for our holding role are blocking angles of their play and building our play. Herrera struggles with these (not saying he is not a good player) just the 6 doesn't suit his skill set.
 
Freak said:
This guy is very much like a peak Essien from those videos. Maybe Mourinho wants Herrera to take over the Carrick role, so it will be a midfield of Herrera, Bakayoko, Pogba.
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Peak Essien was one of the best I don't see anywhere near that in the video.
 
Lawman said:
The main skills for our holding role are blocking angles of their play and building our play. Herrera struggles with these (not saying he is not a good player) just the 6 doesn't suit his skill set.
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And Bakayoko has the same skill set, he is just far stronger.
 
Lawman said:
The main skills for our holding role are blocking angles of their play and building our play. Herrera struggles with these (not saying he is not a good player) just the 6 doesn't suit his skill set.
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I think he makes so many interceptions because he blocks the angles and reads the game well. He us used to high pressing so would have to adapt to the different angles in a deep position (which is doable) but would need more discipline in maintaining a holding position rather chasing as he does now, and to not give away dangerous fouls around the box (which I don't think he can adapt so easy). But we would mostly lose out on the long passing and metronome ability of Carrick. If Carrick got injured now then Herrera could fill in for him and 'do a job'. Not an ideal solution long-term though.
 
JPRouve said:
And Bakayoko has the same skill set, he is just far stronger.
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If that's the case then should not be bought for our number 6 role. If he's an upgrade on Herrera at 8 fair enough buy him to replace Herrera but not with the thoughts to play him as a 6 or move Herrera to the number 6.
 
OohAahMartial said:
I think he makes so many interceptions because he blocks the angles and reads the game well. He us used to high pressing so would have to adapt to the different angles in a deep position (which is doable) but would need more discipline in maintaining a holding position rather chasing as he does now, and to not give away dangerous fouls around the box (which I don't think he can adapt so easy). But we would mostly lose out on the long passing and metronome ability of Carrick. If Carrick got injured now then Herrera could fill in for him and 'do a job'. Not an ideal solution long-term though.
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Yep agree with filling in but he is very limited as a 6. His passing can be erratic and his long game is average. He has a tendency to only play to his right as well often nullifying our left side. Plus he is not disciplined enough positional wise to play here. In saying all this he is a really good number 8 who's skill set works well here so play him as an eight.
 
Just buy him this window and sell Fellaini now too. Let him be our 'close the game down' sub, or 'need more height' sub, and as backup.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Just buy him this window and sell Fellaini now too. Let him be our 'close the game down' sub, or 'need more height' sub, and as backup.
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Monaco aren't going to sell him now, that question has been answered weeks ago.
 
My gut feeling tells me this guy could be an important signing for us.
 
J-Stander said:
Surely Monaco won't sell now anyway. If he's that highly sought after then the interest will still be there in the summer and they'll get a bidding war going. Wouldn't really make sense for them.
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I feel like it's similar to the Martial case. Martial was wanted by Chelsea and Barca, but Monaco decided to sell a year earlier than they were initially planning due to the money United were throwing their way. Bakayoko wasn't really a starter for Monaco until this season, so £25m/30m may well turn their head.
 
Two thoughts:

- Are we going to groom TFM as a full back from now on? Bakayoko himself is just 22 so we're talking long term here.

- Will Ander complete the transformation to the Xabi Alonso role? Him at the base, with Pog and Bakayoko in front of him.
 
United Pro said:
I feel like it's similar to the Martial case. Martial was wanted by Chelsea and Barca, but Monaco decided to sell a year earlier than they were initially planning due to the money United were throwing their way. Bakayoko wasn't really a starter for Monaco until this season, so £25m/30m may well turn their head.
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We are talking about the winter window, Monaco aren't going to sell him now, because they want to win trophies this season.
 
JPRouve said:
We are talking about the winter window, Monaco aren't going to sell him now, because they want to win trophies this season.
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How are their finances nowadays? Weren't they the one with the owner that got divorced and the ex wife got 50% of all his assets?
 
MounchesterUtd said:
How are their finances nowadays? Weren't they the one with the owner that got divorced and the ex wife got 50% of all his assets?
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They don't need money and the owner is perfectly fine financially. The divorce argument is a myth, Monaco are only limited by the ffp.
 
JPRouve said:
We are talking about the winter window, Monaco aren't going to sell him now, because they want to win trophies this season.
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I'd be very surprised aswell tbh. Maybe a swap deal for Schneiderlin would suit all sides.
 
I see how he could be a good No. 6. He's strong and just won't let players past him. Reminds me a bit of William Carvalho.
 
JPRouve said:
They don't need money and the owner is perfectly fine financially. The divorce argument is a myth, Monaco are only limited by the ffp.
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I see. Why'd they sell off Martial, Carasco, Kondogbia and James in like a 3 year span though? Or are they perfectly content with being the Dortmund of France?
 
Impressive highlights video. I can't see Monaco selling to anyone in January though.
 
MounchesterUtd said:
I see. Why'd they sell off Martial, Carasco, Kondogbia and James in like a 3 year span though? Or are they perfectly content with being the Dortmund of France?
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I doubt those players would want to stay when the big boys came knocking, and no one wants to keep unhappy players.
 
I'm lost. Is the no.6 the deep-lying playmaker (Carrick) or the box-to-box (Herrera?)

The new-fangled use of imaginary numbers to describe players does my head in. In the days of 1-11 every team had different numbers for different positions and the system varied according to each country (in Spain for example the centre-back wore no.3 and the left-back 5. In England it was the opposite). Not sure why, or when, the football commentariat came up with this standardised numbering system.

Must sound like an old whinger but just grinds my gears!
 
JohnnyKills said:
I'm lost. Is the no.6 the deep-lying playmaker (Carrick) or the box-to-box (Herrera?)

The new-fangled use of imaginary numbers to describe players does my head in. In the days of 1-11 every team had different numbers for different positions and the system varied according to each country (in Spain for example the centre-back wore no.3 and the left-back 5. In England it was the opposite). Not sure why, or when, the football commentariat came up with this standardised numbering system.

Must sound like an old whinger but just grinds my gears!
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No. 6 is traditionally the DM/DLP/more defensive minded CM in a midfield 2
 
I personally would like to see a Keane type midfielder than a Carrick type.

Bakayoko looks to have pace and power and his driving runs from midfield will be very valuable, especially against the bigger clubs. He also looks physically very strong and him alongside Pogba would be a very intimidating midfield pairing for opposition teams.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I'm lost. Is the no.6 the deep-lying playmaker (Carrick) or the box-to-box (Herrera?)

The new-fangled use of imaginary numbers to describe players does my head in. In the days of 1-11 every team had different numbers for different positions and the system varied according to each country (in Spain for example the centre-back wore no.3 and the left-back 5. In England it was the opposite). Not sure why, or when, the football commentariat came up with this standardised numbering system.

Must sound like an old whinger but just grinds my gears!
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Herrera is the 8, Carrick is the 6.
It should be noted that Bakayoko is not a like-for-like replacement for Carrick by any measure, even if he plays in the same position.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Ah. So this lad would be Carrick's replacement then right?
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Yes, but like @kr0nix says above, he won't be a like for like replacement. Looking at the market, I don't think there's any like for like replacement out there unless we do an Alli and discover a gem from the lower leagues.
 
ti vu said:
This Bakayoko is capable of medium range pass. With his ability to drive forward, there would be less reliant on long range pass which Pogba is more than capable enough. Should we need long range pass, Pogba would drop deep and do that while this guy can in Pogba place, offer the presence and drive forward. This is more unpredictable for our opponent than then set up with Carrick.
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If he comes in and replaces Herrera in the set-up then I have no problem with it. But without another player with the kind of passing that Pogba and Carrick possess in the team I imagine that we'll find it very difficult to drive up the tempo in games where the defence are sitting back and shutting us out. Especially at times when Pogba is injured/suspended.
 
kr0nix said:
Herrera is the 8, Carrick is the 6.
It should be noted that Bakayoko is not a like-for-like replacement for Carrick by any measure, even if he plays in the same position.
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That's the problem though isn't it. Carrick is vital to our team given his distribution skills and calmness on the ball.

Most teams in the Prem are excellent at pressing these days, so it's vital that someone, either one of the CBs or one of the midfielders, has the ability to come and collect the ball off the keeper - the 'first station' ball Mourinho has talked about - and deliver it to a teammate. Otherwise you get squeezed into mistakes in your own third of the field, or you end up having to boot the ball long all the time - as we saw in the first half against City at OT, when Carrick wasn't playing.

Bailly looks a decent ball player but not great and it seems Lindelof (who we're apparently trying to sign) is the same. Neither has the Pique/Ferdinand level of ball-playing ability. So it's vital we've got a Carrick-type player who can drop in and ease the pressure on the CBs by taking the ball and calmly distributing. If this Bakayoko lad can't do that then maybe we should look elsewhere.

I'm no hipster football tactician but that's my take anyway.
 
JohnnyKills said:
That's the problem though isn't it. Carrick is vital to our team given his distribution skills and calmness on the ball.

Most teams in the Prem are excellent at pressing these days, so it's vital that someone, either one of the CBs or one of the midfielders, has the ability to come and collect the ball off the keeper - the 'first station' ball Mourinho has talked about - and deliver it to a teammate. Otherwise you get squeezed into mistakes in your own third of the field, or you end up having to boot the ball long all the time - as we saw in the first half against City at OT, when Carrick wasn't playing.

Bailly looks a decent ball player but not great and it seems Lindelof (who we're apparently trying to sign) is the same. Neither has the Pique/Ferdinand level of ball-playing ability. So it's vital we've got a Carrick-type player who can drop in and ease the pressure on the CBs by taking the ball and calmly distributing. If this Bakayoko lad can't do that then maybe we should look elsewhere.

I'm no hipster football tactician but that's my take anyway.
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He can do that, that's the one thing he is good at. What he can't do for the moment is cover defensively.
 
MounchesterUtd said:
I see. Why'd they sell off Martial, Carasco, Kondogbia and James in like a 3 year span though? Or are they perfectly content with being the Dortmund of France?
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Given that they also sold Kurzawa to PSG, that comparison might not be as weird as I initially thought it was.
 
JPRouve said:
He can do that, that's the one thing he is good at. What he can't do for the moment is cover defensively.
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Tbf so can Pogba (ball distro) but of course u want him to be free to go higher up the pitch.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I'm lost. Is the no.6 the deep-lying playmaker (Carrick) or the box-to-box (Herrera?)

The new-fangled use of imaginary numbers to describe players does my head in. In the days of 1-11 every team had different numbers for different positions and the system varied according to each country (in Spain for example the centre-back wore no.3 and the left-back 5. In England it was the opposite). Not sure why, or when, the football commentariat came up with this standardised numbering system.

Must sound like an old whinger but just grinds my gears!
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6 isn't an imaginary number. :p
 
Cassidy said:
Tbf so can Pogba (ball distro) but of course u want him to be free to go higher up the pitch.
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Yeah exactly. You don't want Pogba dropping into the defence to get the ball.

Just looked at one of those youtube highlights vids of Bakayoko. Looks ok but nothing special and the French league is miles slower than the PL (really took me by surprise actually).

Would Guaye at Everton not be better than this lad? Proven ability to play DM in the Prem against good pressing teams.
 
JohnnyKills said:
That's the problem though isn't it. Carrick is vital to our team given his distribution skills and calmness on the ball.

Most teams in the Prem are excellent at pressing these days, so it's vital that someone, either one of the CBs or one of the midfielders, has the ability to come and collect the ball off the keeper - the 'first station' ball Mourinho has talked about - and deliver it to a teammate. Otherwise you get squeezed into mistakes in your own third of the field, or you end up having to boot the ball long all the time - as we saw in the first half against City at OT, when Carrick wasn't playing.

Bailly looks a decent ball player but not great and it seems Lindelof (who we're apparently trying to sign) is the same. Neither has the Pique/Ferdinand level of ball-playing ability. So it's vital we've got a Carrick-type player who can drop in and ease the pressure on the CBs by taking the ball and calmly distributing. If this Bakayoko lad can't do that then maybe we should look elsewhere.

I'm no hipster football tactician but that's my take anyway.
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Bakayoko can easily do that and is very mobile.
 
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