Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?

Would you appoint Thomas Tuchel as the next Manchester United manager?


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I know we are supposed to be behind ten Hag and if the decision is to keep him I will stand behind it and support him.
However, I cannot shake off the feeling we are wasting our time while now would be the perfect timing to get Tuchel in. There will anyway be a new structure and a rebuild to a certain extent so why not start this new journey with the best available manager.
 
If it's not Tuchel i think they'll stick with ETH.
Southgate is some proper english media bullshit.

So Tuchel clearly didn’t get the job after the interviews. But we decided to give the job to someone who clearly didn’t have an interview (ETH).

The optimism is delusional.
 
So you'd rather have Poch than Tuchel ? Because of good football ?

This opinion confuses me. Do you think Madrid play attractive football ? This whole notion of having 70% possession and playing like Barca/Arsenal/City to be considered good football. We never were that and never have been that. All these fans of United clamouring for possession based football must have lived in some alternate world where we were playing the most attractive football in the world under Fergie.
Personally I don’t care so much for possession football, it bored the tits off me under LVG. What I care for is entertaining football. Personally (again) I’d prefer that with wingers supplying strikers. I know many will consider that behind the times but I suspect the times will change again in a couple of years. Everything in football happens in cycles:
 
Apparently they were ready to offer Tuchel the job until they asked him how he would improve our centre backs and he said he would get them to watch clips of Phil Jagielka.
 
Personally I don’t care so much for possession football, it bored the tits off me under LVG. What I care for is entertaining football. Personally (again) I’d prefer that with wingers supplying strikers. I know many will consider that behind the times but I suspect the times will change again in a couple of years. Everything in football happens in cycles:
I agree with you.

If anyone here watched the Bayern-Arsenal game it was literally 2 different styles of play, both entertaining. Over the 2 legs Bayern imo played the 'better' football, despite not having as much 'possession'.
 
So we're that serious about replacing ETH that Tuchel even knows he's not the favourite candidate, which means there is a favourite candidate.
 
So you'd rather have Poch than Tuchel ? Because of good football ?

This opinion confuses me. Do you think Madrid play attractive football ? This whole notion of having 70% possession and playing like Barca/Arsenal/City to be considered good football. We never were that and never have been that. All these fans of United clamouring for possession based football must have lived in some alternate world where we were playing the most attractive football in the world under Fergie.
Footballs changed a lot since 20 years ago mate. Guardiolas brought a new style that many teams try to implement. Teams play out from the back nowadays. Keep hold of possession. Use inverted full backs etc. The days of them devastating counter attacking teams are long gone. Teams sit a lot deeper nowadays. That’s the reason you have to play possession and try and find a way through low block teams.
 
How interesting if Times are to be believed. I’d have had Tuchel as the front runner and if they’re not going with him then I’m curious as to who they go with. I’d applaud them if it was someone not even raised in the discussion as of now and it turns out the Southgate stuff was just chaff to distract the media, that they jumped on and took advantage of (since I believe the Southgate links are from his agent trying to get a new deal with England). It would be a refreshing feeling knowing that the days of Woodward / Glazers briefing the press and telegraphing our every move, are over.

Unless INEOS have got something mental lined up like Zidane agreeing to come here, Klopp coming here or Guardiola the latest City person jumping ship ahead of hitting the 115 iceberg.
 
All of this is so weird. Official meeting with Tuchel clearly indicates Eth he is not backed anymore. But then that very same meeting is so negative towards Tuchel that he ends and walks out? What the hell are we doing? It’s not as if there are many other options
 
So you'd rather have Poch than Tuchel ? Because of good football ?

This opinion confuses me. Do you think Madrid play attractive football ? This whole notion of having 70% possession and playing like Barca/Arsenal/City to be considered good football. We never were that and never have been that. All these fans of United clamouring for possession based football must have lived in some alternate world where we were playing the most attractive football in the world under Fergie.
It seems sacrilege to say this but i'd say the football we played under SAF from around 2009 onward was not great football if we're being honest, although it did have moments here and there (it's still miles better than anything we've had since mind- just look at those goals scored stats). I keep hearing so many United managers parroting this "United DNA" stuff that for once i'd just like someone to come in and impose their own style of attacking football on the club. If that means more possession then i'm fine with it.
 
I'm sure most managers would cut a break short if the right club/project came up for them. That's what happened when Klopp took the Liverpool job, for instance.

Out of respect of been asked … he may cross paths again in the future or even next season if ETH is given another year …who knows



Perhaps it was either United or a sabbatical for him
 
No one knows what United are doing.
I include the Glazers and INEOS in that,
It does seem that way doesn’t it. Maybe they’re conducting due diligence but I cannot see any method in their search or process.
 
Footballs changed a lot since 20 years ago mate. Guardiolas brought a new style that many teams try to implement. Teams play out from the back nowadays. Keep hold of possession. Use inverted full backs etc. The days of them devastating counter attacking teams are long gone. Teams sit a lot deeper nowadays. That’s the reason you have to play possession and try and find a way through low block teams.
Disagree with that. Madrid don't do that inverted fullback stuff and are way more direct than a Pep style team and have been by far the most successful club team over the past 10 years. In fact, over the last 10 years only 2 teams that won the UCL played the style of football you're talking about, City last season and Barca in 15.

It seems sacrilege to say this but i'd say the football we played under SAF from around 2009 onward was not great football if we're being honest, although it did have moments here and there (it's still miles better than anything we've had since mind- just look at those goals scored stats). I keep hearing so many United managers parroting this "United DNA" stuff that for once i'd just like someone to come in and impose their own style of attacking football on the club. If that means more possession then i'm fine with it.
It wasn't just post 2009, we were devastating with our UCL winning squad but the overwhelming majority of opinion at that time was that Arsenal and Barca played more 'attractive' football than us. For some reason, since Pep came into football people have become obsessed with this possession, high line, inverted fullback type football as if that's the right way to play and the only way to play 'attractive' football. That's none sense. If you look at Madrid under Ancelotti and Zidane they were a lot more like our 09 team than a Pep team and their football was far from unattractive. All of this obsession with Pep 2.0s needs to stop and people need to realise that's not the only way to play 'attractive' and not the only way to be successful.
 
I wouldn't believe the Tuchel reports. If they met, I suspect it was a part of SJR meeting with all the potential ETH replacements before extending an offer to one of them in the coming days or else deciding to stick with ETH.
 
Didn't they say it'll be the football people making the decisions and Jimmy and co will not be hands on...so what is Tuchel doing meeting with him? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
Only manager I'd be interested in besides ETH, so now Id rather stick with what we have.
 
I’m gutted. I can’t stomach another season of ten Hag but we are running out of options.
 
How can he have left that meeting with Ratcliffe with the impression he's not their choice of manager. Not gonna lie I'm gutted he's decided to take some time away from Football.
 
Didn't they say it'll be the football people making the decisions and Jimmy and co will not be hands on...so what is Tuchel doing meeting with him? Doesn't make sense to me.
Could be a 'final interview' type situation. No doubt the consensus on who the next manager will be, will be made by the group.

The process at least seems a lot more thorough than we are used to, even if it the leaks are still there.
 
Well pochettino plays decent football, not saying I’d have him though but if we’re going of managers that play good football then he’s higher than Tuchel. They’ll be tons of managers out there, you just need to look and scout. Look at Brighton for example they always bring in managers to fit their way of playing hence why their giving an unknown manager a chance from ST Pauli

Jeeez, if only those two coached the same team in successive seasons one after the other, so we could compare their playing styles and who was more attractive/attacking out of two.

Footballs changed a lot since 20 years ago mate. Guardiolas brought a new style that many teams try to implement. Teams play out from the back nowadays. Keep hold of possession. Use inverted full backs etc. The days of them devastating counter attacking teams are long gone. Teams sit a lot deeper nowadays. That’s the reason you have to play possession and try and find a way through low block teams.

In CL tie season before this one Bayern had 56% possession on Etihad and 58% possession at home against City. Shots on goal overall were 31 - 24 in favor of Bayern as well. I don't think Tuchel is the best fit for current United team (mostly because of his personality), but it is quite obvious you watched only his Chelsea team and nothing else.
 
This reads like damage limitation by Tuchel. That Bayern mouthpiece was saying 2-3 weeks ago that the Bayern hierarchy thought Tuchel had already agreed to join United and there were plenty of stories circling stating he was looking to join United if the opportunity arrived (similar to Jose's PR fishing).

That being said, if Ratcliffe did meet him this week it doesn't really indicate that the new hierarchy have a clear plan. And I'd be amazed if they're not relying on Berrada and Ashworth despite not officially starting yet.
 
If we’ve decided to move on from him it’s likely because there was disagreement regarding the structure he would have to work under, and the lack of control over recruitment, style of play etc.

Given that the new structure is the single most important development United have undertaken since the great man retired, I am happy we have walked away. It doesn’t matter how good the coach is, if they won’t operate the way we need them to operate, in order to safeguard the long term sustainability and success of the organisation, then they aren’t the right fit for the club.

Definitely taking a long term view on this one.

The fact we are meeting with other managers etc., so publicly, is a pretty clear indication that we want to move on from Ten Hag. If we keep him, it’s only because we haven’t found someone else who passed through all the interview filters, which seems like a fairly untenable situation for the incumbent.
 
This has shades of Woodward, Klopp and the Disneyland fiasco

It really doesn’t. We’ve interviewed him, more than once presumably, and we’ve decided not to offer him the job. How is that a fiasco. This also reportedly happened more than a week ago, and I am sure he part of a much longer shortlist.
 
How interesting if Times are to be believed. I’d have had Tuchel as the front runner and if they’re not going with him then I’m curious as to who they go with. I’d applaud them if it was someone not even raised in the discussion as of now and it turns out the Southgate stuff was just chaff to distract the media, that they jumped on and took advantage of (since I believe the Southgate links are from his agent trying to get a new deal with England). It would be a refreshing feeling knowing that the days of Woodward / Glazers briefing the press and telegraphing our every move, are over.

Unless INEOS have got something mental lined up like Zidane agreeing to come here, Klopp coming here or Guardiola the latest City person jumping ship ahead of hitting the 115 iceberg.

My guess is that this isn’t about the quality of him as a coach, but much more likely down to assessing his ability, willingness and enthusiasm for working within the structure we are putting in place. Given that recruitment and playing style are going to be largely determined by Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, it only makes sense that you have to have a coach who is enthusiastic about working within those conditions. Doesn’t matter how good of a manager someone is, if it grates for them not having wider control then you are setting yourself up for conflict down the line.
 
My guess is that this isn’t about the quality of him as a coach, but much more likely down to assessing his ability, willingness and enthusiasm for working within the structure we are putting in place. Given that recruitment and playing style are going to be largely determined by Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, it only makes sense that you have to have a coach who is enthusiastic about working within those conditions. Doesn’t matter how good of a manager someone is, if it grates for them not having wider control then you are setting yourself up for conflict down the line.
Recruitment is one thing but the idea that any good manager would agree to take a job where he cannot even decide the style of play is ludicrous to me. If it's true that we plan for Wilcox to decide our style of play going forward, I'm very concerned for our future
 
My guess is that this isn’t about the quality of him as a coach, but much more likely down to assessing his ability, willingness and enthusiasm for working within the structure we are putting in place. Given that recruitment and playing style are going to be largely determined by Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, it only makes sense that you have to have a coach who is enthusiastic about working within those conditions. Doesn’t matter how good of a manager someone is, if it grates for them not having wider control then you are setting yourself up for conflict down the line.
Am I correct in remembering Tuchal as having explicitly said at Chelsea he wanted less control, not more? My impression of him is as someone who wants to be head coach rather than manager. Authoritarian and un compromizing, yes, but within clear limits of responsibility. Am I wrong?
 
Recruitment is one thing but the idea that any good manager would agree to take a job where he cannot even decide the style of play is ludicrous to me. If it's true that we plan for Wilcox to decide our style of play going forward, I'm very concerned for our future

Don't confuse style of play with tactics. Lots of clubs do it. It’s smart. It basically says something loose like “we play possession orientated football with a high press”, or “we build counter attacking teams”, “high tempo front foot football” etc etc. Barcelona have done it since Cryuff went there. It just means you don’t go from a Van Gaal (slow tempo, possession critical), to Mourinho (eschew possession, sit deep, hit on the break). Because when you radically change philosophy, you have to perform a complete squad overhaul.

It’s about having consistency is your approach so recruitment can be so much better and managerial transitions are easier. Don’t read so much into it. It’s not like being told what formation to play.
 
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