USREDEVIL
Full Member
If it's not Tuchel i think they'll stick with ETH.
Southgate is some proper english media bullshit.
Southgate is some proper english media bullshit.
Utd would rather stick with Ten Hag than PochThose happy when we appoint Poch instead
The club is a sentient being now?Utd would rather stick with Ten Hag than Poch
If it's not Tuchel i think they'll stick with ETH.
Southgate is some proper english media bullshit.
Personally I don’t care so much for possession football, it bored the tits off me under LVG. What I care for is entertaining football. Personally (again) I’d prefer that with wingers supplying strikers. I know many will consider that behind the times but I suspect the times will change again in a couple of years. Everything in football happens in cycles:So you'd rather have Poch than Tuchel ? Because of good football ?
This opinion confuses me. Do you think Madrid play attractive football ? This whole notion of having 70% possession and playing like Barca/Arsenal/City to be considered good football. We never were that and never have been that. All these fans of United clamouring for possession based football must have lived in some alternate world where we were playing the most attractive football in the world under Fergie.
I agree with you.Personally I don’t care so much for possession football, it bored the tits off me under LVG. What I care for is entertaining football. Personally (again) I’d prefer that with wingers supplying strikers. I know many will consider that behind the times but I suspect the times will change again in a couple of years. Everything in football happens in cycles:
No one knows what United are doing.Utd would rather stick with Ten Hag than Poch
Footballs changed a lot since 20 years ago mate. Guardiolas brought a new style that many teams try to implement. Teams play out from the back nowadays. Keep hold of possession. Use inverted full backs etc. The days of them devastating counter attacking teams are long gone. Teams sit a lot deeper nowadays. That’s the reason you have to play possession and try and find a way through low block teams.So you'd rather have Poch than Tuchel ? Because of good football ?
This opinion confuses me. Do you think Madrid play attractive football ? This whole notion of having 70% possession and playing like Barca/Arsenal/City to be considered good football. We never were that and never have been that. All these fans of United clamouring for possession based football must have lived in some alternate world where we were playing the most attractive football in the world under Fergie.
It seems sacrilege to say this but i'd say the football we played under SAF from around 2009 onward was not great football if we're being honest, although it did have moments here and there (it's still miles better than anything we've had since mind- just look at those goals scored stats). I keep hearing so many United managers parroting this "United DNA" stuff that for once i'd just like someone to come in and impose their own style of attacking football on the club. If that means more possession then i'm fine with it.So you'd rather have Poch than Tuchel ? Because of good football ?
This opinion confuses me. Do you think Madrid play attractive football ? This whole notion of having 70% possession and playing like Barca/Arsenal/City to be considered good football. We never were that and never have been that. All these fans of United clamouring for possession based football must have lived in some alternate world where we were playing the most attractive football in the world under Fergie.
I'm sure most managers would cut a break short if the right club/project came up for them. That's what happened when Klopp took the Liverpool job, for instance.
Out of respect of been asked … he may cross paths again in the future or even next season if ETH is given another year …who knows
It does seem that way doesn’t it. Maybe they’re conducting due diligence but I cannot see any method in their search or process.No one knows what United are doing.
I include the Glazers and INEOS in that,
Disagree with that. Madrid don't do that inverted fullback stuff and are way more direct than a Pep style team and have been by far the most successful club team over the past 10 years. In fact, over the last 10 years only 2 teams that won the UCL played the style of football you're talking about, City last season and Barca in 15.Footballs changed a lot since 20 years ago mate. Guardiolas brought a new style that many teams try to implement. Teams play out from the back nowadays. Keep hold of possession. Use inverted full backs etc. The days of them devastating counter attacking teams are long gone. Teams sit a lot deeper nowadays. That’s the reason you have to play possession and try and find a way through low block teams.
It wasn't just post 2009, we were devastating with our UCL winning squad but the overwhelming majority of opinion at that time was that Arsenal and Barca played more 'attractive' football than us. For some reason, since Pep came into football people have become obsessed with this possession, high line, inverted fullback type football as if that's the right way to play and the only way to play 'attractive' football. That's none sense. If you look at Madrid under Ancelotti and Zidane they were a lot more like our 09 team than a Pep team and their football was far from unattractive. All of this obsession with Pep 2.0s needs to stop and people need to realise that's not the only way to play 'attractive' and not the only way to be successful.It seems sacrilege to say this but i'd say the football we played under SAF from around 2009 onward was not great football if we're being honest, although it did have moments here and there (it's still miles better than anything we've had since mind- just look at those goals scored stats). I keep hearing so many United managers parroting this "United DNA" stuff that for once i'd just like someone to come in and impose their own style of attacking football on the club. If that means more possession then i'm fine with it.
I hope you’re rightUtd would rather stick with Ten Hag than Poch
You think they need to interview the current manager? That's stupidSo Tuchel clearly didn’t get the job after the interviews. But we decided to give the job to someone who clearly didn’t have an interview (ETH).
The optimism is delusional.
Same. Tuchel definitely has the nous and experience it takes. Maybe poch but ffs not southy.Only manager I'd be interested in besides ETH, so now Id rather stick with what we have.
Could be a 'final interview' type situation. No doubt the consensus on who the next manager will be, will be made by the group.Didn't they say it'll be the football people making the decisions and Jimmy and co will not be hands on...so what is Tuchel doing meeting with him? Doesn't make sense to me.
No one knows what United are doing.
I include the Glazers and INEOS in that,
Well pochettino plays decent football, not saying I’d have him though but if we’re going of managers that play good football then he’s higher than Tuchel. They’ll be tons of managers out there, you just need to look and scout. Look at Brighton for example they always bring in managers to fit their way of playing hence why their giving an unknown manager a chance from ST Pauli
Footballs changed a lot since 20 years ago mate. Guardiolas brought a new style that many teams try to implement. Teams play out from the back nowadays. Keep hold of possession. Use inverted full backs etc. The days of them devastating counter attacking teams are long gone. Teams sit a lot deeper nowadays. That’s the reason you have to play possession and try and find a way through low block teams.
This has shades of Woodward, Klopp and the Disneyland fiasco
How interesting if Times are to be believed. I’d have had Tuchel as the front runner and if they’re not going with him then I’m curious as to who they go with. I’d applaud them if it was someone not even raised in the discussion as of now and it turns out the Southgate stuff was just chaff to distract the media, that they jumped on and took advantage of (since I believe the Southgate links are from his agent trying to get a new deal with England). It would be a refreshing feeling knowing that the days of Woodward / Glazers briefing the press and telegraphing our every move, are over.
Unless INEOS have got something mental lined up like Zidane agreeing to come here, Klopp coming here or Guardiola the latest City person jumping ship ahead of hitting the 115 iceberg.
Recruitment is one thing but the idea that any good manager would agree to take a job where he cannot even decide the style of play is ludicrous to me. If it's true that we plan for Wilcox to decide our style of play going forward, I'm very concerned for our futureMy guess is that this isn’t about the quality of him as a coach, but much more likely down to assessing his ability, willingness and enthusiasm for working within the structure we are putting in place. Given that recruitment and playing style are going to be largely determined by Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, it only makes sense that you have to have a coach who is enthusiastic about working within those conditions. Doesn’t matter how good of a manager someone is, if it grates for them not having wider control then you are setting yourself up for conflict down the line.
Am I correct in remembering Tuchal as having explicitly said at Chelsea he wanted less control, not more? My impression of him is as someone who wants to be head coach rather than manager. Authoritarian and un compromizing, yes, but within clear limits of responsibility. Am I wrong?My guess is that this isn’t about the quality of him as a coach, but much more likely down to assessing his ability, willingness and enthusiasm for working within the structure we are putting in place. Given that recruitment and playing style are going to be largely determined by Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, it only makes sense that you have to have a coach who is enthusiastic about working within those conditions. Doesn’t matter how good of a manager someone is, if it grates for them not having wider control then you are setting yourself up for conflict down the line.
Recruitment is one thing but the idea that any good manager would agree to take a job where he cannot even decide the style of play is ludicrous to me. If it's true that we plan for Wilcox to decide our style of play going forward, I'm very concerned for our future