Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?

Would you appoint Thomas Tuchel as the next Manchester United manager?

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At this point the only thing we need to be asking ourselves is "Is this guy an upgrade on what we have?"

Looking at his transfers history - I'm more inclined to say "No". We have this already.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Boehly has done a lot of harm, but Tuchel brought this on himself. Our team was absolutely unprepared for the preseason following our CL win. I was at the game against Arsenal, it was shocking. Tuchel's attentions were no longer on his team or the players.
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What? Who cares about pre-season; we were obviously ready for the actual season itself since we were top at Christmas
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
What? Who cares about pre-season; we were obviously ready for the actual season itself since we were top at Christmas
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Yeah that's a surprising one. Your worse position was 4th and you spent a lot of time at the top during the first part of that season.
 
JPRouve said:
Yeah that's a surprising one. Your worse position was 4th and you spent a lot of time at the top during the first part of that season.
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Very odd complaint. The season was very obviously derailed by the sanctions and also Lukaku going from kissing the badge to slating the club in record time. Don't think it's fair to blame Tuchel for either considering the sanctions were literally unprecedented and Lukaku was a signing by our hierarchy
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Very odd complaint. The season was very obviously derailed by the sanctions and also Lukaku going from kissing the badge to slating the club in record time. Don't think it's fair to blame Tuchel for either considering the sanctions were literally unprecedented and Lukaku was a signing by our hierarchy
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I think he somehow mistook the 2022 pre season for the 2023 one as we didn't get smashed by Arsenal in the former one.
 
Dancfc said:
I think he somehow mistook the 2022 pre season for the 2023 one as we didn't get smashed by Arsenal in the former one.
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Ah makes sense; couldn't be arsed to check our pre-season fixtures. Still obviously disingenuous to complain about it since it's not like we started 22/23 THAT badly (especially if that bald dipshit Mike Dean could be bothered to do his fecking job)
 
Definitely worse managers out there then Tuchel. Nobody is a guarantee of success but of all the names out there he seems the best to get United back in the top four the soonest.

Now whether ineos want that or are willing to take a risk on a someone maybe less proven with a longer time horizon to try and build a more sustainable model is an interesting question. I personally think it's the latter. No quick fixes.
 
Teja said:
You seem to be set in your dislike for him and I don't think I'll change your viewpoint but my thoughts are

1. The club will have a lot more background info on what happened with these clubs than we ever will. They'll talk to their sources, talk to Tuchel and make a decision that's going to be a lot more informed than us speculating on the Caf about him falling out with the board in two years.

2. Pep himself fell out with the board at Barca and then left Bayern again after being burned out and gotten smashed by RM. Would you avoid him?

3. You'd need to look into each of his clubs independently and investigate why he fell out.

Mainz: No sources seem to have inside info here. He spent 5 years, decided he couldn't take them further and chose to quit himself after seeing out his contract.

Dortmund: Drama lies here. Tension was already brewing after the club sold a bunch of key players (Gundo, Mkhi etc.). Didn't like the fact that he wasn't even consulted for signing some others. He fell out with the players after the whole Dortmund bus attack incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...How-Thomas-Tuchel-fell-Borussia-Dortmund.html

PSG: Things were going fine for him in the league but he complained about political drama (keeping Mbappe and Neymar happy). My understanding here is that he didn't actually fall out - his contract was up and the powers that be didn't like the football that he was playing with them and that he didn't win the CL so sacked him. https://archive.is/YjpOj and https://www.footballtransfers.com/u...gue/2021/09/why-did-psg-sack-thomas-tuchel-us

Chelsea: Things went great under Abramovich. Boehly brought a wrecking ball to the finely tuned machine that was the Chelsea backroom strategy. I find it impossible to blame him for the sack. Most Chelsea fans were sad that he left and will probably take him back with open arms.

Bayern: I'll let you decide since it's the current season. They're already in boardroom political turmoil and sacked one competent coach (Nagelsmann) for seemingly no reason. I won't blame Tuchel for falling out here either.
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Thank you for putting this post together. It’s something I’ve been trying to think of doing for 2 days now and just couldn’t figure out a succinct way of doing it.

The two real “fall outs” he’s had, I think I wouldn’t have fallen out with my bosses too.
 
Teja said:
You seem to be set in your dislike for him and I don't think I'll change your viewpoint but my thoughts are

1. The club will have a lot more background info on what happened with these clubs than we ever will. They'll talk to their sources, talk to Tuchel and make a decision that's going to be a lot more informed than us speculating on the Caf about him falling out with the board in two years.

2. Pep himself fell out with the board at Barca and then left Bayern again after being burned out and gotten smashed by RM. Would you avoid him?

3. You'd need to look into each of his clubs independently and investigate why he fell out.

Mainz: No sources seem to have inside info here. He spent 5 years, decided he couldn't take them further and chose to quit himself after seeing out his contract.

Dortmund: Drama lies here. Tension was already brewing after the club sold a bunch of key players (Gundo, Mkhi etc.). Didn't like the fact that he wasn't even consulted for signing some others. He fell out with the players after the whole Dortmund bus attack incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...How-Thomas-Tuchel-fell-Borussia-Dortmund.html

PSG: Things were going fine for him in the league but he complained about political drama (keeping Mbappe and Neymar happy). My understanding here is that he didn't actually fall out - his contract was up and the powers that be didn't like the football that he was playing with them and that he didn't win the CL so sacked him. https://archive.is/YjpOj and https://www.footballtransfers.com/u...gue/2021/09/why-did-psg-sack-thomas-tuchel-us

Chelsea: Things went great under Abramovich. Boehly brought a wrecking ball to the finely tuned machine that was the Chelsea backroom strategy. I find it impossible to blame him for the sack. Most Chelsea fans were sad that he left and will probably take him back with open arms.

Bayern: I'll let you decide since it's the current season. They're already in boardroom political turmoil and sacked one competent coach (Nagelsmann) for seemingly no reason. I won't blame Tuchel for falling out here either.
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Carolina Red said:
Thank you for putting this post together. It’s something I’ve been trying to think of doing for 2 days now and just couldn’t figure out a succinct way of doing it.

The two real “fall outs” he’s had, I think I wouldn’t have fallen out with my bosses too.
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I think my NDA has probably expired at this point - just for some additional context that doesn't seem to be public knowledge, part of why Tuchel decided to leave Mainz was that he'd agreed to come to England and manage Aston Villa as a new American ownership group was set to take over from Randy Lerner in 2014. I was involved in all of this as a consultant - unfortunately Lerner wound up pulling out of the deal at the 11th hour which wound up dooming Villa to further mediocrity and ultimately relegation. He then sold to some shady Chinese idiots a couple years later; Tuchel stayed out of management for a year and wound up going to Dortmund.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if this is a major part of why Tuchel had issues with Boehly et al - I can say first-hand that he was pretty fecking fed up with dumbass Americans as of 2014/15ish so Clearlake coming in like a wrecking ball asking to sign CR7 in 2022 probably gave him PTSD flashbacks.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I think my NDA has probably expired at this point - just for some additional context that doesn't seem to be public knowledge, part of why Tuchel decided to leave Mainz was that he'd agreed to come to England and manage Aston Villa as a new American ownership group was set to take over from Randy Lerner in 2014. I was involved in all of this as a consultant - unfortunately Lerner wound up pulling out of the deal at the 11th hour which wound up dooming Villa to further mediocrity and ultimately relegation. He then sold to some shady Chinese idiots a couple years later; Tuchel stayed out of management for a year and wound up going to Dortmund.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if this is a major part of why Tuchel had issues with Boehly et al - I can say first-hand that he was pretty fecking fed up with dumbass Americans as of 2014/15ish so Clearlake coming in like a wrecking ball asking to sign CR7 in 2022 probably gave him PTSD flashbacks.
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Damn, I always thought Tuchel was a no-bullshit guy but this more than confirms it.

I honestly am pretty curious to see him at the club, same way as I was with Jose. Although Jose's reign ended in tears, he still delivered 50% of our trophies post Fergie and got us above 80 points which no else has come close to (we were seen to be competing with City until we lost 2-1 at home against them).

I think we might be getting Tuchel earlier in his shelf life compared to Mourinho and he could surprise people, especially under a proper professional structure. And if not, I'd still expect a couple of finals and maybe a trophy domestically and in Europe.
 
Carolina Red said:
Well shit
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Did my best to not take it personally at the time!

It was always much more typical billionaire shit - hurr durr I was successful doing things this way therefore everyone should do things this way, that kind of nonsense. The exact kind of nonsense Boehly et al implemented at Chelsea, Tuchel didn't have patience for it, so they sacked him.

Rightnr said:
Damn, I always thought Tuchel was a no-bullshit guy but this more than confirms it.

I honestly am pretty curious to see him at the club, same way as I was with Jose. Although Jose's reign ended in tears, he still delivered 50% of our trophies post Fergie and got us above 80 points which no else has come close to (we were seen to be competing with City until we lost 2-1 at home against them).

I think we might be getting Tuchel earlier in his shelf life compared to Mourinho and he could surprise people, especially under a proper professional structure. And if not, I'd still expect a couple of finals and maybe a trophy domestically and in Europe.
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He's very much no bullshit. He has no patience for games - which is the biggest reason why he generally wants nothing to do with recruitment.
 
Can we not building the squad and club on the background and simultaniously trying our best to win every games there is?

Finance and football needs each other to compete for the best possible trophies and when you have to keep thinking about letting 2 or 3 years wasted away to try to pinyour hope on some young and unproven managers to come in and build us up to the old United is very much impossible task. Those young managers needs at least a stable platform for them to come in and try to be sucess. And i think fans would still be calling the head if we going ups and downs like EtH do now and that possibilities is high with young and unproven manager.

Actually, we United try too hard the last decade to get our new SAF and that deep down impaire our perspective re what a big and great club suppose to be. We try to hard to be like City or Brighton or some other clubs that pin our hope on creating a system of football to play and jt feel like that is the only way for us to succeed or any other clubs to succeed. Its too much system centric.

What we suppose to do is to build the squad by buying good footballers that have qualities to be able to play any systems and then fine tune it when we have certain coaches that come in and need more specific players. Good footballers suppose to be able to dl that. If we take clubs as a metric then RM and Bayern is the epitome of that. They dont care much about the system to play. Most of their players would most likely can play in any team and any system in the world. The coach should be evaluated by winning games or trophies and if they feel the coach wont do that, they will go for the next best one. Winning is the best ways to build the clubs back because winning breeds winning and when ypu win alot then you obviously going to have more time and advantages financially and in selecting players and coaches in the future. Under SAF, our teams dont always play very good football all the time rather we play winning football and that still help us branding wise and financially wise till now.
 
In terms of football, tuchel is without doubt top 5 best coaches in the world. Only guardiola will be better than him in England


His biggest weakness is his attitude and relationship with the board. I think the main reason why he has been fired in all those clubs is not due to football but his troublesome rrelationshis with the ownership
 
Rightnr said:
Completely uninformed opinion yet again
based purely on what someone has dreamt overnight.

In his first full season (2021/22), he got Chelsea into two cup finals (both lost on pens against the scousers) and finished 3rd in the league, one position and on 7 more points compared to his first (partial) season.

Then Chelsea had to be sold due to the Ukraine war and Boehly ruined the club. And they finished 12th, with disproportionate amount of their points coming from the few games Tuchel was in charge for, hardly making a great case for them 'falling off a cliff'.
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Great so he couldn't beat the scousers in two cup finals, nobody remembers a loser but you do.
He is not a great team builder and doesn’t stick around long at any club and yet you’re trying to make an argument for him?
He's the opposite to what we need now and in the future.
 
Melville Red said:
Great so he couldn't beat the scousers in two cup finals, nobody remembers a loser but you do.
He is not a great team builder and doesn’t stick around long at any club and yet you’re trying to make an argument for him?
He's the opposite to what we need now and in the future.
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We don't need a manager to be a great team builder, we need a head coach who can work with what he is given
 
George The Best said:
He’s exactly what we need right now imo. We need someone with stature and proven success that can stand up to these overblown egos and tell them as it is. Most of the other ‘candidates’ won’t stand a chance. For instance, if Iraola walked through the door, our lot are more likely to say who the feck are you giving us these orders. We definitely need a big character, that can command respect, to get us through this transition. We simply cannot afford to gamble again on an unproven coach at this level.
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100% agreed.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
We don't need a manager to be a great team builder, we need a head coach who can work with what he is given
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And to do that with what we have will take more time than Tuchel will be willing to give. We do not want a short time fix, that’s if he can fix it. Christ if you want someone who can work miracles with what he’s got look no further than our old coach McKenna. However I would like to see him work in the PL just to see if as a head coach he can handle the pressure, if he can he will be an ideal target and for that reason I’d rather stick with what we know and see how it pans out next season when hopefully we will have a lot less injuries.
 
Melville Red said:
And to do that with what we have will take more time than Tuchel will be willing to give. We do not want a short time fix, that’s if he can fix it. Christ if you want someone who can work miracles with what he’s got look no further than our old coach McKenna. However I would like to see him work in the PL just to see if as a head coach he can handle the pressure, if he can he will be an ideal target and for that reason I’d rather stick with what we know and see how it pans out next season when hopefully we will have a lot less injuries.
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You’d “rather stick with what we know” ….you‘re having a laugh
 
USREDEVIL said:
Im 50/50 because i would have imagined mourinho would have had more success in getting them focused. In the end i think he began to hate the players because for all his stature and comments they still went on their business as usual.
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Different structure now plus Tuchel and Mourinho are not the same.
 
Jund said:
At this point the only thing we need to be asking ourselves is "Is this guy an upgrade on what we have?"

Looking at his transfers history - I'm more inclined to say "No". We have this already.
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I struggle a bit with this, we wouldn't be hiring him to do transfers, but to coach the first team. Letting managers do transfers has been a huge part of our problems
 
Jund said:
At this point the only thing we need to be asking ourselves is "Is this guy an upgrade on what we have?"

Looking at his transfers history - I'm more inclined to say "No". We have this already.
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The days of managers picking their players are over
 
Rightnr said:
Damn, I always thought Tuchel was a no-bullshit guy but this more than confirms it.

I honestly am pretty curious to see him at the club, same way as I was with Jose. Although Jose's reign ended in tears, he still delivered 50% of our trophies post Fergie and got us above 80 points which no else has come close to (we were seen to be competing with City until we lost 2-1 at home against them).

I think we might be getting Tuchel earlier in his shelf life compared to Mourinho and he could surprise people, especially under a proper professional structure. And if not, I'd still expect a couple of finals and maybe a trophy domestically and in Europe.
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Yeah I feel exactly the same way, real shame that we didn't get Mourinho in 2013 before that damaging second sacking at Chelsea
 
next_number_seven said:
Someone I know who works on the commercial side of a football club in the NW.

Says Iraola's a strong candidate. He could be number 2 or 3 or 4 on a shortlist though. No idea.

I imagine they've been doing due diligence on candidates for a few months now.

It might be idle gossip but the football world is quite small at that level so sometimes the rumours are legit.
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Very interesting... I actually think he's a great manager, not sure if suited to United though? Although it seems no manager in world football is suited to United anymore.
 
I don’t really want him because his style of play is more pragmatic I’d say. The owners won’t want us to play that way surely. Ratcliffe will want entertaining football and he’s mentioned you can’t play how city or Liverpool have done over the years in a short amount of time. If we’re looking at someone to come in and work with what he’s got without spending much then he’s probably one of the best to do that who’s available. But if we actually want to build a new legacy and a new team then he’s not our man.
 
Lemon Moon said:
Very interesting... I actually think he's a great manager, not sure if suited to United though? Although it seems no manager in world football is suited to United anymore.
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I don't know a lot about him but he's definitely a top talent.

If you look at what he did in Spain also. He beat Barca 3 times with Rayo Vallecano.

A couple of weeks ago there was a headline that if the season started on Nov 1st, Bournemouth would be 5th. I know that's a big if, but it took a couple of months for him to get his ideas across.

I think Ineos have been doing analysis on potential managers and I think it's leaked out that Iraola came out towards the top of their shortlist.

I think one big plus is that he's somewhat PL proven. ETH wasn't and doesn't seem like he can adapt to it. Whereas Amorim, Slot, Motta, Inzaghi, Luis Enrique etc aren't PL proven. So I think that's why Iraola is high up their list of potential candidates.

He's also pretty experienced for a young manager (Bournemouth's his 4th job, he actually got fired from his first job in Cyprus) so there's plenty of games to analyse.

It's interesting that he played on the same local schoolboys team as Alonso and Arteta. One of the coaches says he was academically brilliant and he actually went to law school before becoming a footballer.

Although I think Luis Enrique would be great if we could get him.
 
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Lemon Moon said:
Very interesting... I actually think he's a great manager, not sure if suited to United though? Although it seems no manager in world football is suited to United anymore.
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Yeah he has done well this season,just wonder if he can make that huge step up
 
next_number_seven said:
I don't know a lot about him but he's definitely a top talent.

If you look at what he did in Spain also. He beat Barca 3 times with Rayo Vallecano.

A couple of weeks ago there was a headline that if the season started on Nov 1st, Bournemouth would be 5th. I know that's a big if, but it took a couple of months for him to get his ideas across.

I think Ineos have been doing analysis on potential managers and I think it's leaked out that Iraola came out towards the top of their shortlist.

I think one big plus is that he's somewhat PL proven. ETH wasn't and doesn't seem like he can adapt to it. Whereas Amorim, Slot, Motta, Inzaghi, Luis Enrique etc aren't PL proven. So I think that's why Iraola is high up their list of potential candidates.

He's also pretty experienced for a young manager (Bournemouth's his 4th job, he actually got fired from his first job in Cyprus) so there's plenty of games to analyse.

It's interesting that he played on the same local schoolboys team as Alonso and Arteta. One of the coaches says he was academically brilliant and he actually went to law school before becoming a footballer.

Although I think Luis Enrique would be great if we could get him.
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Don't know enough about Amorim and Motta,obviously Luis Enrique has been around a little while and it took Guardiola to beat Inzaghi in Champions League last season.
 
croadyman said:
Don't know enough about Amorim and Motta,obviously Luis Enrique has been around a little while and it took Guardiola to beat Inzaghi in Champions League last season.
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Luis Enrique is very highly rated in football but I don't think we can prise him away from PSG. But who knows really, he might get fired.

I don't watch enough football to give any insight on the others.

I think Ineos have hired some consultants to analyse potential managers across a range of criteria such as style of football, developing youth, transfer record, improving players etc and Iraola has scored highly.

I think this info has leaked out and the person I know who works in football heard it. The football world is very small at that level and people gossip.

The fact that Iraola's somewhat PL proven has probably pushed him up the list ahead of Amorim, Inzaghi, Slot, Motta, Nagelsmann etc...
But like I said, he might just be number 3 or 4 on their shortlist.

That's just my guess.
 
Wilt said:
You’d “rather stick with what we know” ….you‘re having a laugh
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I've noticed that no matter how bad the current manager seems to be doing, there'll be people who'll argue against any replacement. If Pep or Klopp wanted to come here several years ago then some of the posters here would say they'd prefer LVG.
 
Tyrion said:
I've noticed that no matter how bad the current manager seems to be doing, there'll be people who'll argue against any replacement. If Pep or Klopp wanted to come here several years ago then some of the posters here would say they'd prefer LVG.
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This is heading towards Utd’s worst ever prem season and you want to keep Ten Hag :wenger:
 
Melville Red said:
Better the devil you know than the devil you don’t.

Nothing worse than a panic decision and we should wait for a good long term replacement.
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Unless you can see the future there's no such thing as a long term replacement. You hire whoever is a good fit for the role and their performance dictates how long they stay, not simply handing them a long term year contract because you're stuck in the past craving a new Fergie
 
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