Thomas Müller

[predator]

Expecting this one to be wrapped up on deadline day. Pep would love to sell him and will end up getting his way. Muller likes lvg and likes the idea of playing for united on such a massive wage. The fact schweinsteiger is here and having a ball even furthers my confidence. It'll cost about 60million to get him.

It's a no brainer. But tbh I don't rate muller as highly as some. He has a dodgy touch and his dribbling is weird but he has incredible positioning, awareness and work rate. He would definitely get us 20+ goals a season.

 

[Lyricist]

Expecting this one to be wrapped up on deadline day. Pep would love to sell him and will end up getting his way. Muller likes lvg and likes the idea of playing for united on such a massive wage. The fact schweinsteiger is here and having a ball even furthers my confidence. It'll cost about 60million to get him.

It's a no brainer. But tbh I don't rate muller as highly as some. He has a dodgy touch and his dribbling is weird but he has incredible positioning, awareness and work rate. He would definitely get us 20+ goals a season.

If it's either Müller or Pep, I'm pretty sure the Bayern management would choose Müller every time.

 

[Ixion]

Even if Muller wanted to join and Pep wanted him gone and we bid a world record fee this wouldn't happen.

 

[Devil may care]

I don't see it as Bayern giving a player power. The player is part of the furniture at Bayern. He's not trying to make trouble for the club; he is the club, or at least a great part of its self-image. Müller to United isn't like the Rooney to City business, where the interests of the club and player were at odds. It's more like if some club had wanted to buy Bobby Charlton in 1969.

Of course it gives him the power, if the manager cannot move the team and players as he wishes then his authority is undermined. Do you think Fergie would have allowed anyone to tell him who he could and could not sell? He certainly didn't with Beckham who was beloved, homegrown and much more of a marketing phenomenon than Muller. If Fergie had went through with his initial retirement and the next manager decided he wanted to sell Giggs the United board would not undermine him regardless, it defeats the purpose of having a boss, the manager is the Captain of the ship.

 

[Siorac]

Of course it gives him the power, if the manager cannot move the team and players as he wishes then his authority is undermined. Do you think Fergie would have allowed anyone to tell him who he could and could not sell? He certainly didn't with Beckham who was beloved, homegrown and much more of a marketing phenomenon than Muller. If Fergie had went through with his initial retirement and the next manager decided he wanted to sell Giggs the United board would not undermine him regardless, it defeats the purpose of having a boss, the manager is the Captain of the ship.

I think that next manager would have been STRONGLY discouraged. And if somehow he went through with it, he would have been in an untenable position after the first bad result.

Müller isn't really comparable to Giggs though.

 

[Devil may care]

I think that next manager would have been STRONGLY discouraged. And if somehow he went through with it, he would have been in an untenable position after the first bad result.

Müller isn't really comparable to Giggs though.

I don't agree, our club has always been run professionally, not via player power, the only time we succumbed to that was Rooney's contract stand-off that Fergie still manipulated beautifully with that press conference.

In what way? Because he's from Munich and Giggs isn't actually a Mancunian?

 

[Siorac]

I don't agree, our club has always been run professionally, not via player power, the only time we succumbed to that was Rooney's contract stand-off that Fergie still manipulated beautifully with that press conference.

In what way? Because he's from Munich and Giggs isn't actually a Mancunian?

We succumbed to players' contract demands many times, see Roy Keane, for example (in 1999, not in 2005 - he was booted out when his problems outweighed his usefulness). I can't imagine any new post-Fergie manager surviving an attempt to boot Giggs out.

In the way that Giggs is a legend, an institution basically, the club's record appearance maker, a 13-times league winner. Or to put it in another way: Müller might get there in 15 years' time.

 

[Devil may care]

We succumbed to players' contract demands many times, see Roy Keane, for example (in 1999, not in 2005 - he was booted out when his problems outweighed his usefulness). I can't imagine any new post-Fergie manager surviving an attempt to boot Giggs out.

In the way that Giggs is a legend, an institution basically, the club's record appearance maker, a 13-times league winner. Or to put it in another way: Müller might get there in 15 years' time.

We agreed to contract deals that were also beneficial to us at the time as well, that is just negotiation, we have never undermined a manager in favour of a player.

You're talking about Giggs in the season Fergie actually retired, I mentioned Giggs in conjunction with if Fergie had retired the first time he was going to. At that point Giggs was closer to where Muller is now.

 

[Siorac]

We agreed to contract deals that were also beneficial to us at the time as well, that is just negotiation, we have never undermined a manager in favour of a player.

You're talking about Giggs in the season Fergie actually retired, I mentioned Giggs in conjunction with if Fergie had retired the first time he was going to. At that point Giggs was closer to where Muller is now.

Oh yeah, then fair enough.

 

[shabadu84]

Pep agrees to sell the majority of the Bayern team to us and then agrees to take over from LVG. Diabolical...

 

[fcbforever]

Why are you discussing this? And what's that bullshit with "You also told us we couldn't get Schweinsteiger". Bullshit, it was pretty clear he could he available of he wanted to, our 30+ players often get these deals, see Lizarazu for example.

That you could buy a 31 year old with one year of contract left for 20 Million () doesn't mean there's a chance in hell you can get Müller. Seriously, stop this shit.

 

[Sphaero]

Of course it gives him the power, if the manager cannot move the team and players as he wishes then his authority is undermined. Do you think Fergie would have allowed anyone to tell him who he could and could not sell? He certainly didn't with Beckham who was beloved, homegrown and much more of a marketing phenomenon than Muller. If Fergie had went through with his initial retirement and the next manager decided he wanted to sell Giggs the United board would not undermine him regardless, it defeats the purpose of having a boss, the manager is the Captain of the ship.

Thats all nice, but you completely ignore the differences in structure of both clubs. At Bayern the coach is not that powerful. The biggest thing he could do is not field Müller in games and even that only works as long as they are successful. Transfer business is always decided by the Director of Football (Sammer) and the board, usually represented by the CEO (Rumenigge). Guardiola as coach can make suggestions and propose changes, but they all have to be green lighted by the other officials.

I think people still underrate how important Müller is for the supporter at Bayern, not only as player but also as an identification figure. Selling him at this point in time would be medial suicide and put enourmous pressure on Guardiola. Any failure, no matter how small would give the papers and frustrated supporter a field day.

Even if Müller would be ready to leave, which is a huge if given that nothing at all indicates this, the club would block a move at this point in the transfer window. Bayern has shown time and time again that if they don´t want players in their prime to leave, they stay put even if they are unhappy with that.

This is a non story and has been one from the very start. The most desperate muppet thread I have ever seen on here.

 

[The Man Himself]

Why are you discussing this? And what's that bullshit with "You also told us we couldn't get Schweinsteiger". Bullshit, it was pretty clear he could he available of he wanted to, our 30+ players often get these deals, see Lizarazu for example.

That you could buy a 31 year old with one year of contract left for 20 Million () doesn't mean there's a chance in hell you can get Müller. Seriously, stop this shit.

It is funny how you Bayern fans are desperately trying to tell everyone this is bullshit and yet you all can't stop posting in this thread. You can very well stay out of the thread if it is a baseless rumour...Most of United fans know this won't happen and are just having good time. We don't need long ass posts from you guys to know his importance to Bayern and how it can't happen.
Or is it that just the thought of tiny possibility of this unthinkable happening is worrying you all and hence all these posts telling us how it can't happen?

 

[Blackwidow]

Of course it gives him the power, if the manager cannot move the team and players as he wishes then his authority is undermined. Do you think Fergie would have allowed anyone to tell him who he could and could not sell? He certainly didn't with Beckham who was beloved, homegrown and much more of a marketing phenomenon than Muller. If Fergie had went through with his initial retirement and the next manager decided he wanted to sell Giggs the United board would not undermine him regardless, it defeats the purpose of having a boss, the manager is the Captain of the ship.

Maybe that is the difference between the German and the English system. Bayern never will give all the power to a coach. You have the management around Hoeneß, Rummenigge and Sammer - and it is them that sell and buy - what includes the interests of the coach, too. Coaches come and go. Guardiola will not be in Munich for a decade - he might end his contract at the end of this season.

The coach is not bigger than the club. The coach is there to get the best out of the players he has within the interests of the club.

When Guardiola took over the job in Munich he knew this. He mainly got the wishes he had and the players he did not want went on their own.

I do not think there is something wrong with this. If a coach does not like that management and the interests of club and coach aren't the same (even regarding tactics) you do not take the job - or the club gets himself another coach.

I do not think that it was different in Barcelona. Every of the coaches had to arrange themselves with e.g. Messi, Iniesta, Xavi or Puyol. And if it does not work out - than you usually see it on the pitch, too - it is the coach that has too leave.

I know that all around Fergie was different. But I do not think that any of the next coaches at United will have the same power that Fergie had.

 

[Balu]

Why do people continue to claim Pep wants to get rid of Müller? He's starting all the fecking time, ffs. He's also our only Lewandowski back-up. Even if Pep didn't rate Müller as highly as the fans and the board does, he still wouldn't want him gone. It's not like he's causing trouble in the dressing room, quite the opposite. And what's Pep supposed to do with the money? If he wants another player, we could afford it anyway. We don't need to raise money to buy another superstar. And no other superstar is available anyway.

It's mind-boggling how a so obviously wrong article from the fecking Express can provoke such a reaction. No wonder shit magazines like the Express are so successful.

 

[Devil may care]

Thats all nice, but you completely ignore the differences in structure of both clubs. At Bayern the coach is not that powerful. The biggest thing he could do is not field Müller in games and even that only works as long as they are successful. Transfer business is always decided by the Director of Football (Sammer) and the board, usually represented by the CEO (Rumenigge). Guardiola as coach can make suggestions and propose changes, but they all have to be green lighted by the other officials.

I think people still underrate how important Müller is for the supporter at Bayern, not only as player but also as an identification figure. Selling him at this point in time would be medial suicide and put enourmous pressure on Guardiola. Any failure, no matter how small would give the papers and frustrated supporter a field day.

Even if Müller would be ready to leave, which is a huge if given that nothing at all indicates this, the club would block a move at this point in the transfer window. Bayern has shown time and time again that if they don´t want players in their prime to leave, they stay put even if they are unhappy with that.

This is a non story and has been one from the very start. The most desperate muppet thread I have ever seen on here.

I didn't ignore the differences, I merely thought Bayern was ran as an adult business not as a highscool popularity contest, clearly that is not the case. I never suggested there was any reality in the transfer stuff though, I was merely debating how I perceived Bayern to be ran in a mature, pragmatic fashion, something I was clearly wrong about.

 

[Balu]

It is funny how you Bayern fans are desperately trying to tell everyone this is bullshit and yet you all can't stop posting in this thread. You can very well stay out of the thread if it is a baseless rumour...Most of United fans know this won't happen and are just having good time. We don't need long ass posts from you guys to know his importance to Bayern and how it can't happen.
Or is it that just the thought of tiny possibility of this unthinkable happening is worrying you all and hence all these posts telling us how it can't happen?

Yeah, we should ban all the knowledgeable posters from all the threads and force everyone to post in threads where they know feck all about the topic. That'll improve the quality of the discussion on the Caf, awesome idea.

 

[2 man midfield]

Wow, we're signing Muller? Hey, Bayern fans, what's your take on this imminent thing that's clearly happening?

 

[The Man Himself]

Yeah, we should ban all the knowledgeable posters from all the threads and force everyone to post in threads where they know feck all about the topic. That'll improve the quality of the discussion on the Caf, awesome idea.

Yeah stating a transfer can't happen over and over again which is obvious is a sign of knowledgeable. Next time we will write a written request for permission to you all 'knowledgeable' fans on what we should discuss and what not. This is transfer forum and people like to fantasize about transfers, however unlikely every season. Just because it is a Bayern player this time is not going to change it. Get off your high horse...

 

[Devil may care]

Maybe that is the difference between the German and the English system. Bayern never will give all the power to a coach. You have the management around Hoeneß, Rummenigge and Sammer - and it is them that sell and buy - what includes the interests of the coach, too. Coaches come and go. Guardiola will not be in Munich for a decade - he might end his contract at the end of this season.

The coach is not bigger than the club. The coach is there to get the best out of the players he has within the interests of the club.

When Guardiola took over the job in Munich he knew this. He mainly got the wishes he had and the players he did not want went on their own.

I do not think there is something wrong with this. If a coach does not like that management and the interests of club and coach aren't the same (even regarding tactics) you do not take the job - or the club gets himself another coach.

I do not think that it was different in Barcelona. Every of the coaches had to arrange themselves with e.g. Messi, Iniesta, Xavi or Puyol. And if it does not work out - than you usually see it on the pitch, too - it is the coach that has too leave.

I know that all around Fergie was different.

It seems this is the case, in England managers are the boss, they shape the team as they see fit, you hire a manager to be in full control of the football side. Imagine if Arsenal had demanded Arsene Wenger adhere to the DNA of the club when he got there for instance? We hire managers to come in and lead the team in his vision as we are seeing at United with LvG, not to come in and simply pilot what is already in place. Even at smaller clubs like Palace a manager has walked out due to interference.

Why do people continue to claim Pep wants to get rid of Müller? He's starting all the fecking time, ffs. He's also our only Lewandowski back-up. Even if Pep didn't rate Müller as highly as the fans and the board does, he still wouldn't want him gone. It's not like he's causing trouble in the dressing room, quite the opposite. And what's Pep supposed to do with the money? If he wants another player, we could afford it anyway. We don't need to raise money to buy another superstar. And no other superstar is available anyway.

It's mind-boggling how a so obviously wrong article from the fecking Express can provoke such a reaction. No wonder shit magazines like the Express are so successful.

Are there really many posts here that have indicated that the Caf thinks there's a remote chance of the transfer happening?

 

[Siorac]

I didn't ignore the differences, I merely thought Bayern was ran as an adult business not as a highscool popularity contest, clearly that is not the case. I never suggested there was any reality in the transfer stuff though, I was merely debating how I perceived Bayern to be ran in a mature, pragmatic fashion, something I was clearly wrong about.

It's just a different model, why would it be less adult or mature? That model is far more common on the continent than the English way where the manager has the absolute power.

 

[Balu]

Yeah stating a transfer can't happen over and over again which is obvious is a sign of knowledgeable. Next time we will write a written request for permission to you all 'knowledgeable' fans on what we should discuss and what not. This is transfer forum and people like to fantasize about transfers, however unlikely every season. Just because it is a Bayern player this time is not going to change it. Get off your high horse...

Are you kidding me? You're the one who started telling people what they're allowed to post and what not. Just put all Bayern posters on ignore if you can't handle them telling you that Müller won't leave. If you can't accept that the ultimate fan favourite player in the team is a bit of a sensitive topic and that Bayern fans feel the need to state again and again that he won't leave, then it's certainly better if you stop all communication with Bayern fans.

 

[Balu]

Are there really many posts here that have indicated that the Caf thinks there's a remote chance of the transfer happening?

I didn't count them, but definitely way more than I expected. I don't think I said 'the Caf thinks' though.

 

[The Man Himself]

Are you kidding me? You're the one who started telling people what they're allowed to post and what not. Just put all Bayern posters on ignore if you can't handle them telling you that Müller won't leave. If you can't accept that the ultimate fan favourite player in the team is a bit of a sensitive topic and that Bayern fans feel the need to state again and again that he won't leave, then it's certainly better if you stop all communication with Bayern fans.

I am posting in a transfer forum topic on a United forum and replied to a post which was asking us to stop posting. Can you read it? If not, I will bold it for you the post I replied to:

Why are you discussing this? And what's that bullshit with "You also told us we couldn't get Schweinsteiger". Bullshit, it was pretty clear he could he available of he wanted to, our 30+ players often get these deals, see Lizarazu for example.

That you could buy a 31 year old with one year of contract left for 20 Million () doesn't mean there's a chance in hell you can get Müller. Seriously, stop this shit.

Yeah it is a sensitive topic for Bayern fans! Big deal... That means we should stop discussing about a transfer possibility in transfer forum. Let's just close transfer forum instead because every big player is favourite of someone somewhere...

 

[dsch]

I didn't ignore the differences, I merely thought Bayern was ran as an adult business not as a highscool popularity contest, clearly that is not the case. I never suggested there was any reality in the transfer stuff though, I was merely debating how I perceived Bayern to be ran in a mature, pragmatic fashion, something I was clearly wrong about.

Football clubs run on passion, and if that's not "mature" or "pragmatic," it's fine by me. I for one would not mind if United were to put the preferences of the supporters above being run as an "adult business" (what does that even mean? except "for profit"?) a bit more often.

 

[Balu]

I am posting in a transfer forum topic on a United forum and replied to a post which was asking us to stop posting. Can you read it? If not, I will bold it for you the post I replied to:


Yeah it is a sensitive topic for Bayern fans! Big deal... That means we should stop discussing about a transfer possibility in transfer forum. Let's just close transfer forum instead because every big player is favourite of someone somewhere...

He didn't tell anyone to stop posting in this thread. You did. But carry on.

 

[The Man Himself]

He didn't tell anyone to stop posting in this thread. You did. But carry on.

Obviously I did. If someone thinks something is shit, they stay away from it. Clearly it is not the case with Bayern fans I guess. Carry on and please tell us again how Muller will never leave in million years. We all know nothing about it.

 

[Devil may care]

It's just a different model, why would it be less adult or mature? That model is far more common on the continent than the English way where the manager has the absolute power.

Football clubs run on passion, and if that's not "mature" or "pragmatic," it's fine by me. I for one would not mind if United were to put the preferences of the supporters above being run as an "adult business" (what does that even mean? except "for profit"?) a bit more often.

What an adult business means is that the manager calls the shots like anyone who is in charge of a team or unit of workers. If he wants to get rid of a player because he has issues with him or he doesn't fit in with how he wants to play, then he gets rid of him as no one player is more important than the manager, regardless of whether he was born in the home town or not.

 

[Devil may care]

I didn't count them, but definitely way more than I expected. I don't think I said 'the Caf thinks' though.

It just seems you are getting angry mate, as if the majority are talking like this is even within the wheelhouse of possible, there'll always be the odd one hoping of course, especially after seeing Rooney trudge around up top for the last 2 games.

 

[Moriarty]

Why do people continue to claim Pep wants to get rid of Müller? He's starting all the fecking time, ffs. He's also our only Lewandowski back-up. Even if Pep didn't rate Müller as highly as the fans and the board does, he still wouldn't want him gone. It's not like he's causing trouble in the dressing room, quite the opposite. And what's Pep supposed to do with the money? If he wants another player, we could afford it anyway. We don't need to raise money to buy another superstar. And no other superstar is available anyway.

It's mind-boggling how a so obviously wrong article from the fecking Express can provoke such a reaction. No wonder shit magazines like the Express are so successful.

Oh I'm sure our Wayne could be for the right price. A packet of bratwurst, a bottle or two of Weihenstephan, and Gerd Muller's autograph ought to be enough.

 

[Balu]

It just seems you are getting angry mate, as if the majority are talking like this is even within the wheelhouse of possible, there'll always be the odd one hoping of course, especially after seeing Rooney trudge around up top for the last 2 games.

I'm just misunderstood sometimes, I very rarely get angry .

 

[Balu]

Oh I'm sure our Wayne could be for the right price. A packet of bratwurst, a bottle or two of Weihenstephan, and Gerd Muller's autograph ought to be enough.

I actually rate Rooney, a lot more than many United fans on the Caf do. I wouldn't mind if we bought him. You can't have Müller in exchange though, sorry.

 

[Devil may care]

I'm just misunderstood sometimes, I very rarely get angry .

This would be the perfect moment for a Hulk smashing Loki gif from the Avengers but Raoul doesn't like that.

 

[Sphaero]

I didn't ignore the differences, I merely thought Bayern was ran as an adult business not as a highscool popularity contest, clearly that is not the case. I never suggested there was any reality in the transfer stuff though, I was merely debating how I perceived Bayern to be ran in a mature, pragmatic fashion, something I was clearly wrong about.

Well, at least it is a damn well led popularity contest. Just because the decisions are made by a group of people instead of a single individual, it is also not more mature or pragmatic. If anything, I think that the opinions of several people, most of them experts in their fields, are resulting in more objective decisions.

 

[Devil may care]

Well, at least it is a damn well led popularity contest. Just because the decisions are made by a group of people instead of a single individual, it is also not more mature or pragmatic. If anything, I think that the opinions of several people, most of them experts in their fields, are resulting in more objective decisions.

If you are making decisions to keep a player that might want out and who the manager doesn't see fitting into his system just to appease fans because the player was born there, that is not good business IMO, theoretically in the case of Muller of course, but just as a general practice.

 

[CLARiiON]

Questions for those who think this is feasible -

1. Why would Bayern sell?
2. Why would Muller come to United from Bayern?

Note: I know BS came, but that's a different case. Contract runing out, possibility of losing starting spot to newer guys, 1 last pay cheque are obvious factors. None of these apply to Muller.

As a neutral fan in this whole business, I find it bizzare that those 2 vital questions have no satisfying answers.

 

[Moriarty]

I actually rate Rooney, a lot more than many United fans on the Caf do. I wouldn't mind if we bought him. You can't have Müller in exchange though, sorry.

I rate the bratwurst, Weihenstephan, and Gerd Muller's autograph higher.

Seriously though, there's no way Bayern will let both Schweinsteiger and Muller depart the club in the space of a few months. The player would have to force a transfer and, from what I understand, such things are not common in Germany, unlike England where it happens often.

 

[Acquire Me]

Questions for those who think this is feasible -

1. Why would Bayern sell?
2. Why would Muller come to United from Bayern?

Note: I know BS came, but that's a different case. Contract runing out, possibility of losing starting spot to newer guys, 1 last pay cheque are obvious factors. None of these apply to Muller.

As a neutral fan in this whole business, I find it bizzare that those 2 vital questions have no satisfying answers.

Why would Bastian leave Bayern for us?

 

[Kevin]

Questions for those who think this is feasible -

1. Why would Bayern sell?
2. Why would Muller come to United from Bayern?

Note: I know BS came, but that's a different case. Contract runing out, possibility of losing starting spot to newer guys, 1 last pay cheque are obvious factors. None of these apply to Muller.

As a neutral fan in this whole business, I find it bizzare that those 2 vital questions have no satisfying answers.

1. If Muller wants out and if the price is right, there is always a chance. If even your precious Figo could move from Barca to Real...

2. He might want a new challenge, try a new league after such a long time. The bundesliga isn't walhalla. That he could get paid more is a nice extra.

 

[Utd7]

There is not a chance in hell this is happening. Shame on those for dreaming up the opportunity as you shall be left disappointed. In reality, we have a better at Goetze or even Lewandowski.