Like with Di Maria?
Yes, I agree I don't see where he fits and Van Gaal might very well know where he fits, but to me spending 100M for Muller is a luxury signing and I believe should not be our priority right now.
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Like with Di Maria?
Yes, I agree I don't see where he fits and Van Gaal might very well know where he fits, but to me spending 100M for Muller is a luxury signing and I believe should not be our priority right now.
Thats weird. He'd go right into the team on the right or up front, its very straightforward
Amen!
Muller would instantly become the best player on the team. He might not have the silky skills of some players, but his football intelligence, off the ball movement and all-round game is as good as it gets. And he might very well be Van Gaal's favorite player in the game today.
He's at a great age as well. I wouldn't care one bit what he costs. Players like this are hardly ever available.
Upfront- So where does that leave Rooney?
On the right- We already have Depay,Mata, Di Maria (provided he stays), Young, januzaj. I understand he is better than all of them, but like I said, I dont understand the point of spending 100M in an area where we may not need it the most.
If we do spend 100mill€ for this guy I'll know we've officially lost the plot. We might be rich, but we don't have a bottomless pit. Those sorts of fees should only be bandied about for generational players or at least footballers with the potential to be one. Not some effective versatile forward.
In his Ajax system Litmanen had a special role - it was called the shadow striker. A player with defensive tasks that comes from deep and plays the additional striker.
The next guy he called his shadow striker was a young 19-year-old player he promoted from youth and told after a few matches to the press and everybody that he will always play - despite various proven strikers and offensive midfielders and offensive wingers in the team. Müller was still very "raw" and had less playmaking abilities than Litmanen had in his first years - but he had an exceptional nose in the box, was a great teamworker and had this special senses for spaces. Van Gaal told after a year that playing Müller makes the pitch a lot bigger for his teammates and there is no player who recognizes spaces so good like he does and that always knows where fellows, opponents and the ball is. Just to help you - this young man was the best scorer of a team that won Championship and Cup and was in the CL final. And then the winner of the Golden Boot and the Young Player Award at the World Cup...
If you watched the recent four years this guy for sure did not develop bad even without van Gaal... - but he certainly did not loose his trades either. He still has that special mentality and the sense for spaces, he added a lot playmaking abilities - and he might score even a lot better in another environment... But the amount of goals does not even count as long as he does what he ever did - save his teams...
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No - and he is not gettable. It is just about why United or van Gaal would want him...
He is 25, was Bayern's top scorer the most of the recent 6 seasons (goals and goals+assists), scores the important goals against the big opponents, has bags of experience on the international stage, has the World Cup winner tag for marketing..., is excepted to get the World Cup record, has a golden and a silver boot and a silver ball of the World Cup in his cupboard...
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Muller, Bale, Ramos etc - none of these proposed transfers seem viable regardless of the money proffered, and surely our club knows that; is it all a smokescreen for an entirely different big-name signing?
Like Muller.
No chance Bayern will sell - the fans would go mental & Bayern already said they'll not be selling any further players to us anyway..
Depends what formation we play. He can play with him up front like Depay did against America
Depay was in the middle so not on the wing, Muller is miles better on the wing than Mata. Di Maria wasn't very good on the wing, Young is average and doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence as Muller and Januzaj needs to consistantly perform better.
Muller would vastly improve our options through the middle (as only Rooney is comparible) and would also improve us wide
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Three positions need improving: CB, ST and possibly GK. Biggest CBs not linked yet are Varane, Marquinhos and that Juve CB.
ST: Benzema, Grizemann, Kane(?)
GK: anyone's guess
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You're probably right.. after Schweinsteiger, it'll be almost impossible to get a top player from Bayern, especially another local hero like Muller. But I'll dream about it still.. Maybe a shit ton of cash would make Bayern change their minds, you never know.
How have you reached this figure? Our EBIDT was 117 million pounds in 13-14, and an eventual profit of around 25 million pounds (post transfers). Our revenue was slightly lower that year but spending 200 million every summer sounds like a sure fire way to sinking the club pretty quickly, or in the best case scenario, lacks prudence.
Either way, value for money like I said. For 70 million I'd expect more.
I think with LVG/Basti we have an "in" but its still somewhat a long shot. The Kaiser was adamant we wont be getting anymore of their players.
As good as muller is , 100m for him is crazy.
I would expect to pay €100-150m for Ronaldo or Messi but muller?!
Transfer muppets are like rabid hyenas. They'll justify any price for a player they want.
If we are really desperate for a striker and LVG is hellbent on him I can see maybe 60-80m (and I think that is on the high end) but to justify an outlay of 100-150m on Muller blows my mind.
Personally I would find someone else if they asked for more than £40 million
I think it's not so much a case of Müller being worth €100m. It's more that Bayern just can't sell him. What would the supporters say. Plus their charismatic Bavarian chore would basically be gone.
€100m is £70m in this day and age... for Thomas Muller.. who has 10 World Cup goals at 25 years of age. And the guy can hardly even be defined as a striker.
How you wouldn't be happy with a signing like that, I'll never know..
How you wouldn't be happy with a signing like that, I'll never know..
So you are saying that this Bavarian Littmanen is sellable then.
No. He is not.
It would be a virtual suicide of Pep...
Rummenigge has stated a couple of times that he is not for sale.
But I think the discussions of various fans from different clubs on some platforms in Germany and here are very interesting. Funnily there is so much fans of other German clubs (even old BVB fans and Bayern haters) that would never sell him if they would be the FC Bayern...
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... players like Muller do not inflate the market for anyone. Bayern run roughshod over the Bundesliga taking who they want from whoever they choose for a relative pittance and have a rock solid business model when bringing in talent from outside the league - just because they have money from the hypothetical sale of Muller doesn't mean anyone else will automatically see more of it.
It's dross being sold at prices above true value that inflate the market, not players like Muller at clubs like Bayern.
Seems impossible but if the player really wants to go, they always get there way within 12 months.
I am surprised that some are talking about inflation or where he would fit in the system.
It is pretty clear that if we were after him....
Di Maria is going to leave. Regardless of that, We need a right forward in a 4-3-3. The marquee signing to replace Di Maria(40-60m) would be Ronaldo, Bale or Muller. We would be after the one who we think might be prised away.
If Di Maria is worth 60m, so does Thomas Muller.
It is pretty clear that if we were after him....
Di Maria is going to leave. Regardless of that, We need a right forward in a 4-3-3. The marquee signing to replace Di Maria(40-60m) would be Ronaldo, Bale or Muller. We would be after the one who we think might be prised away.
If Di Maria is worth 60m, so does Thomas Muller.
Whenever I watch him, he doesn't strike me as one of those flashy, exciting type of players such as Ronaldo, Robben etc. but he does have great awareness, great movement and great team player. Everything he does is with German efficiency.
If LvG does go for him, I think it would be great for the team. United has plenty of those flashy, exciting type of talents up front. With Muller and Schweinsteiger, with all the experiences they have and marry with youthful enthusiasm of the likes of Memphis and Januzaj, and others, it might just work and improve the squad further.
If LvG does go for him, I think it would be great for the team. United has plenty of those flashy, exciting type of talents up front. With Muller and Schweinsteiger, with all the experiences they have and marry with youthful enthusiasm of the likes of Memphis and Januzaj, and others, it might just work and improve the squad further.
nail on the head.
Why would United or Bayern leak this, if we never made an actual bid...
Adidas deal is 50m higher than nike deal, Chevrolet deal is 35m higher than AON deal, EPL deal is 30-40m higher than before (and it will be more in a couple of years), and Edd seems able to find those little deals now and then.
It's difficult to imagine Bayern selling both Schweinsteiger and Muller in the same transfer window. They don't need the money, and letting two of their club symbols leave at the same time is unlikely.
Still, stranger things have happened. I believe in Ed.
Still, stranger things have happened. I believe in Ed.
Müller would be THE perfect signing because we'd get a world class striker who can play other positions like on the right wing just as well as striker. Imagine him playing as a 'raumdeuter' or a wide striker on the right hand side with Depay as an inside winger on the other side with Rooney in the middle. If we sign say Kane, it forces Rooney out of position in every game Kane plays. Müller does not.
I'm going to Munich on friday. I'll track him down, get him to sign my United shirt and create havoc on twitter.
I'm going to Munich on friday. I'll track him down, get him to sign my United shirt and create havoc on twitter.
Raumdeuter? You learn something new every day on this forum.
I had to Google that, apparently it means "Wide Poacher".
It translates to "space interpreter" and is a pun on the term "Traumdeuter" (dream interpreter) Müller once made to describe himself in a german newspaper interview:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/thomas-mueller-im-gespraech-ich-bin-ein-raumdeuter-1.1043798-2
Relevant part translated:
Interviewer: It's pretty hard to compare your style to another player. Can you think of one?
Müller: No, in a way I am a unicum. There are dribblers who are pretty similar to each other, strikers as well, but what am I, actually?
Interviewer: Yeah, what is Thomas Müller?
Müller: Hm... what am I? A "Raumdeuter"? Yeah, I'm a "Raumdeuter". That'd make a good headline, wouldn't it?
The term has since been adopted by Football Manager to describe his playing style.
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Yeah, wonder where I got the term from
I think a lot of his game is down to instinct and intelligence and I can't remember any player I've seen in recent years that plays similar to him. Excellent player.
Good word too, typically German.
Also goes to show that Müller is pretty witty for a football player.
Some Munich fans moaned that if Müller is going to be sold the prefix "Bayern" could be cancelled.
Even though there are always rumours that Pep is not the biggest fan of Müller I cannot see them selling him. Escpecially not after selling Schweini which has been a highly unpopular deal but made some kind of sense.
Selling Müller and not winning the league by some distance and the CL as well would be a personal disaster for Guardiola.
Although I rate AdM a bit higher I like the idea of a swap Müller - AdM but such deals do not happen too often. Sometimes cheaper players or loan deals are part of an agreement but I cannot think of a straight swap of 2 players of the highest calibre.
On the other hand if both players are not happy - why not?
Even though there are always rumours that Pep is not the biggest fan of Müller I cannot see them selling him. Escpecially not after selling Schweini which has been a highly unpopular deal but made some kind of sense.
Selling Müller and not winning the league by some distance and the CL as well would be a personal disaster for Guardiola.
Although I rate AdM a bit higher I like the idea of a swap Müller - AdM but such deals do not happen too often. Sometimes cheaper players or loan deals are part of an agreement but I cannot think of a straight swap of 2 players of the highest calibre.
On the other hand if both players are not happy - why not?
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Bayern captain Philipp Lahm says Thomas Muller could join Man United this summer. http://es.pn/1RMiQb6 #mufc
Well... That's promising if true?
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