Yeah I saw a fan video and it said "The Phenomenal One" on the screen and people marked but the camera just stuck on Reigns. Like I say, it wasn't the only one, the camera work was shoddy all night which is unusual for WWE.
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Very easy to hate Chris Jericho in 2016, because he's Chris Jericho and its 2016. He's an embarrassment.
Imagine putting the best wrestler in the world at an early Rumble number then have him look like a total geek being easily out lasted by Chris Jericho.
Who's the best wrestler in the world?
AJ Styles, and there's no one close right now other than John Cena.
Oh, too lazy to go back and find it, but some of you were talking about the idea for a Nazi wrestler? I believe that was meant to be Heidenreich - the gimmick would have been that he was frozen after WWII, or something like that.
Not sure how AJ was embarrassed by Chris Jericho lasting longer then him? I mean, if thats the case, then he also embarrassed Wyatt, Lesnar, Owens, Zayn, Del Rio, Sheamus, etc. etc.
Chris Jericho is turning heel on Ambrose and they'll have a good match at Mania... AJ Styles and Owens will have a feud and will also have a match at Mania... The Rumble serviced both of these things... not sure why people would have a problem with it.
AJ looked great last night... and most of the talk about the Rumble coming out of it (bar Trips winning) is about him. If anyone thinks he looks weak - when he was clearly presented as a huge deal - then thats on them.
Besides, the Rumble means nothing in comparison to how he's booked over the next few weeks... that'll make or break AJ Styles, not being outlasted in the rumble by Chris Jericho.
Sasha wasn't in the rumble?
Why couldn't they have had the Ambrose guy win? He could have feuded with the Reigns guy- I feel like according to this thread that would be more popular. You could have a face v face feud heading into WM. They did Austin Rock in 2001 and it was awesome. You wouldn't need the very obvious 'good guy gets beaten up by a ton of people and comes back', just let them fight it out.
And if they're worried about the fans cheering for the wrong guy...well Rock and Austin were cheered as heels. So was HHH.
I don't know, I don't watch wrestling so who knows.
And if they're worried about the fans cheering for the wrong guy...well Rock and Austin were cheered as heels. So was HHH.
I don't know, I don't watch wrestling so who knows.
Why's that?
Definitely couldn't have done it as face v face. Reigns and Ambrose are best mates. Would have been super dull. Should have been Reigns and Ambrose staring down HHH. And just as they're about to attack HHH, Ambrose should have turned to Reigns and attacked him and thrown him out. And then HHH should have just let Ambrose win from there.
The WWE's main roster booking has been questionable for a long time now, they really struggle to build new stars and give fans what they're really craving. Generally Lucha Underground and NXT are the immediate places to go for sensical booking, ROH and NJPW too if it suits. If you're a main roster WWE watcher, ou better be prepare to sit there after a lot of shows and just go "WHY?"
Exactly! But I get it, putting the camera on the walkway with people marking out on a few letters on the screen would have been a bit weird too. Incidently, I thought Reigns's facial expressions were very good in that part, and it really sold me on how he went from confused to "oh feck". For this, I'd give the blame to the production in that they should not have put the letters on the screen that early. Have those pop up the moment the music has that sort of glass shattering moment, and have him walk out then. Put the camera on it the moment the letters pop up.
Its something quite small, but it would have changed the whole feeling of the debut.
He's lying. Sasha Banks is the BITW.
Male wise AJ is a fair shout though. He and Cena just consistently put on excellent matches.
Yes, I absolutely agree. Even when you're not fond of Cena as a character (and that is a whole different discussion altogether), he can really work a good match with about anyone if he's up for it. Luckily, he often is.
We filled up 19 pages of this thread in 24 hours. Who said wrestling is dead?
I think Rollins will come back as a face to be honest. Not sure where that will go in regards to Roman though.
Yeah, it'll be similar to Triple H in 01/02 where he went away as one of the top heels but he is so over and people missed having him around that much, that he will automatically be cheered.
Just watching WWE 24/7 special from last night. Lovely behind the scenes look... made me sad the Seth Rollins won't be getting his (deserved) Wrestlemania main event this year. There's your best wrestler in the world!
Hopefully next year.
Hopefully next year.
AJ has already been pegged as being below Jericho now. He's at best upper midcard at a time when he's a legitimate draw all over the world and the best actual wrestler too and the WWE are totally lacking in stars.
Most of the talk coming from 2014 was about Rusev's debut which was then retconned because it harmed him. Most of the talk from 2013 was Bo Dallas' debut which was then retconned because it harmed him. That first impression is so important and now AJ is tarnished by his.
I love Sasha to bits, and she's absolutely one of my favourite wrestlers, her second half of the year totally stunk though (Bayley matches aside. Creative didn't help, but the matches were largely poor too) so she can't legitimately be the best wrestler, even if I did vote for her as the wrestler of the year (long story and reasoning).
AJ and John are just a cut above everyone, Sasha included. That's without talking about Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura, Chris Hero, Matt Sydal, Roddy Strong etc…
Nah that's nonsense. Is Lesnar below Jericho? Is Owens? Course not.
What you do in the Rumble largely means nothing... it's all about the booking coming out of it. Styles had a huge debut and made a good showing of himself... if he's booked strongly and as a top level guy then he will become that. You can't tell me that, if he has a succesful program with Owens where he comes out the winner, and by next summer he's challenging for the title or whatever... people will be saying "Oh I don't buy this because he didn't last as long as Chris Jericho did in the Rumble..".
It's like saying Zayn will never amount to anything on the main roster because he got dumped out by the Wyatt's fairly quickly... when really, that has absolutely no barring on what he'll do with his time on the main roster.
DO you remeber who lasted the longest in last years rumble? or 2013's? or 2012's? Exactly.
Daniel Bryan and Punk?
I feel like Ambrose v Reigns could be fun. If they want to build up the Reigns guy, why not have them constantly try to have matches, and those 3 guys that injured Reigns attack both of them instead of just him. The match doesn't happen for weeks because one or all of them keeps interfering. Or else the hairy guys do. Everyone is sick of the fight not happening, so that might make them side with Reigns and Ambrose. It didn't look like Reigns getting beat down make people like him, quite the opposite. So if they're looking to target stopping the match rather than just stopping him (maybe they're pissed they aren't involved, maybe HHH is making them do it), people are less cynical about it. They might have more sympathy for a guy who can't get his match going than a guy who's very obviously being made look like "he'll overcome the odds AGAIN".
A few weeks before WM, they're in a handicap match against the 3 lads (Irish guy, chunky guy, Mexican guy). Hairy guys are sent out by HHH to beat up Reigns and Ambrose. Suddenly, music hits and it's Lesnar. Back for Royal Rumble payback (Except have him in the final 4, where Wyatt returns to eliminate him before Lesnar flips out instead of that shit last night). Maybe Paul Heyman comes out first (think Paul Bearer coming out before Kane) and just smiles at the ring, lifts the mic to his mouth and before he speaks Lesnar comes out. F5s a bunch of people. You can then set it up that he feuds with the chief hairy guy, the 3 lads (who I think he attacked before the RR anyway), or if you want him going for the title you have the option of a triple threat.
Alternatively, Brock doesn't care about the title, and just does a Kane thing and show up throughout the night one Raw and nails a bunch of people. I'd watch that. Maybe tonight, if he's angry about last night.
I'm talking about legitimising him to the people that are more important to legitimise him to, the casual fans. They know they'll sell X amount of subscriptions anyway, having AJ in a title match in 8 months to people that pnly watch the big 4 won't entice any more viewers to spend money on shows.
Last year was Bray Wyatt, 2014 was CM Punk, 2013 was Dolph Ziggler, 2012 was the Miz, fwiw.
I was just typing "you will regret posting that because you are about the have the shit statted out of you"
Crazy how this thread has 25,000+ posts and over a million views.We filled up 19 pages of this thread in 24 hours. Who said wrestling is dead?
On a Man United forum.
Well it makes sense at the moment, we as United fans are getting used to being royally screwed and having to watch overpaid superstars go through the motions and being completely underutilised and often only given cameo appearances rather than being hyped and pushed to the front, while at the same time watching older and less popular stars get all the playing time.
Wrestling (Well WWE / Raw / SD) is what it is, weekly TV entertainment that should be written like its TV with matches used to determine the end game. But theres hardly ever any logic (and its hard to suspend your belief as much as they want you to).
TBH, id rather see Zayn vs Owens as a feud / match (but will be interesting if Zayn becomes #1 contender to the NXT title). I assume it would be AJ vs Owens.
Wouldnt mind AJ vs Kalisto vs Neville for the US title though (even though that would be a great way to boast how its inter-continental match)
I agree with Phelan about Jericho. Its 2016. Jericho looks like the old guy at a club who thinks hes cool but on his own.
I still cant believe they had Reigns get beaten up, then hes getting carted away, he stops them, gets to his own feet, and then walks away from the match/ WHAT? Him being carted would have made more sense as he didnt know it was happening but he wants to return to fight. But he actually got up and walked away on his own to get treated.
This happens within a minute or so of Owens limping to the ring after a brutal match earlier in the night.
TBH, id rather see Zayn vs Owens as a feud / match (but will be interesting if Zayn becomes #1 contender to the NXT title). I assume it would be AJ vs Owens.
Wouldnt mind AJ vs Kalisto vs Neville for the US title though (even though that would be a great way to boast how its inter-continental match)
I agree with Phelan about Jericho. Its 2016. Jericho looks like the old guy at a club who thinks hes cool but on his own.
I still cant believe they had Reigns get beaten up, then hes getting carted away, he stops them, gets to his own feet, and then walks away from the match/ WHAT? Him being carted would have made more sense as he didnt know it was happening but he wants to return to fight. But he actually got up and walked away on his own to get treated.
This happens within a minute or so of Owens limping to the ring after a brutal match earlier in the night.
Right... and what impact did that have to the way any of them were a) percieved or b) booked?
Legitimising AJ Styles to a casual fan will take being booked well by the WWE from this point forward. He made a big debut, it generated a great reaction from the crowd (which any casual fan could see/hear) and it got people talking (with Smarks obviously, but the casual fan will surely want to know more about AJ Styles after yesterdays match)... which is exactly what it needed to do. Now they have to build on it.
The only two ways in which he would have done that any greater then he did last night would have been to a) win the thing or b) eliminated tons of people (though even that often gets lost after a while) ... short of that, the simple fact that he didn't last as long as Chris Jericho is completely inconsequential.
I mentioned it in another thread, Us being terrible and no fun at all to watch has certainly pushed me to other things (like WWE) alot more.
Has anyone seen the Paddy Power Royal Rumble fan meltdown video? It's hilarious!
I'd embed but not sure of rules
I'd embed but not sure of rules
Yeah its actually quite funny. You should have no issues embedding it here in terms of the rules of this thread. (not really a spoiler as the show is complete).
What a great ppv! Triple-H
feck knows why people hate him. One of the best heels of all time, up there in my top 10. He's brilliant!
feck knows why people hate him. One of the best heels of all time, up there in my top 10. He's brilliant!
What a great ppv! Triple-H
feck knows why people hate him. One of the best heels of all time, up there in my top 10. He's brilliant!
I agree it was the best PPV for a long time. From start to finish with only a few minor complaints really, after all, we can't have everything go our way.
I'd only complain about the camera in the Rumble and how they booked Reigns to miss half the match, the pointless attack that detracted from the actual Rumble, and the Wyatts leaving after breaking the rules made no sense. Lesnar wasn't used properly at all, and Rick Flair, it's just embarrassing now, has been for a while and it needs to stop and he needs to go, for good, or just turn up for special occasions.
I have no problem with HHH as it fits the storyline well, it also sets up some exciting ideas for WM and the run up to it. I do however have a problem with him being hated as The Authority HHH only to be adored as HHH the champ. That made no sense at all.
After watching the rumble match this morning I was a little disappointed with the outcome being so predictable. I wish we could've had something like a Dean Ambrose heel turn and him winning the title instead of Triple H. But I guess WWE feels like they need a lot of star power to sellout Mania which is why they're going for Trips vs Roman at the big show. I think they'll have Roman compete in some sort of match at Fastlane where he'll win and get his title shot.
Another thing that disappointed me was how they basically booked Brock to feud with Bray. While this would be a fresh and interesting match between the two I feel like I already know whats going to happen because Bray tends to job in big matches (Taker, Cena etc) and I cant see anything but a Lesnar win happening at Mania.
Anyways, what I really care about how AJ Styles is going to be booked. From the looks of it it seems that he'll be feuding with Kevin Owens which is sure to produce some phenomenal matches and I hope it culminates at Mania. I'd like to see AJ in solid 15-20 minute long matches going forward just to showcase to the mainstream crowd how great he is in the ring.
Another thing that disappointed me was how they basically booked Brock to feud with Bray. While this would be a fresh and interesting match between the two I feel like I already know whats going to happen because Bray tends to job in big matches (Taker, Cena etc) and I cant see anything but a Lesnar win happening at Mania.
Anyways, what I really care about how AJ Styles is going to be booked. From the looks of it it seems that he'll be feuding with Kevin Owens which is sure to produce some phenomenal matches and I hope it culminates at Mania. I'd like to see AJ in solid 15-20 minute long matches going forward just to showcase to the mainstream crowd how great he is in the ring.
Brilliant
He is clearly on a windup and I love him for it.
I love HHH.
I'm sure everyone in this thread has seen this but just in case, here's his career in a 20 min vid...
I'm sure everyone in this thread has seen this but just in case, here's his career in a 20 min vid...
I hope they completely bury AJ Styles just to see @phelans shorts have a meltdown, it'll be glorious. Have him lose on the pre-show of Wrestlemania to Charlotte.
It's been known for a whilst, but yesterday reinforced it.
Dunn needs to be sacked.
Dunn needs to be sacked.