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Ok 10 years then but the question remains, who from the last 10, or even 5 years have they made thats still there as a top guy (that isnt injured or a part timer)?

They got it wrong with Punk, they lucked out with Bryan (but then got unlucky too), they got it wrong with Bray, Rusev, Barrett, Del Rio, Ziggler in recent years. Theyve got more wrong than right in terms of creating main event stars recently.


Stobzilla said:
But there has never been as obvious a push towards a crop of younger guys since the end of the last millennium, it took Triple H nigh on 5 years to get a go at the big strap. It's obvious it is close. After WM all the elements are going to be there.
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After WM, you will probably have Bray coming off a loss to Brock, Reigns as champ beating a 46 year old whos past his prime (but probably a good match but with the Help of the Rock), everybody where they currently are.
Oh and whilst I love AJ hes almost 40 , so you know another one who wont be there long term.

Straumann will look strong but then I dont see him being the future.

WWE will really only have Reigns and of course Rollins when he comes back as main eventers. The rest arent main eventers even if they are given a match or two in that position on Raw or SD.

Its happened too often in recent years, WM relies on part timers at the expense of those who are there and for the rest of the year they struggle cos of that.
 
Sylar said:
Ok 10 years then but the question remains, who from the last 10, or even 5 years have they made thats still there as a top guy (that isnt injured or a part timer)?
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Right now ? No one, which is why it is important to, i dunno, put one of the your major pushes over on your biggest PPV, quickly have that followed by the two behind him who have worked with each other extensively.

Slow build, they have rushed guys that weren't ready into the spots previously and they need to get it right this time, it is better to be safe.
 
Just watched the rumble match and it was oh so predictable, for one moment I thought Reigns was going to retain but later on I figured that HHH will come in and win it. I was rooting so much for Ambrose at the end but he really didnt have a chance if you think about it.

AJ looked sorta weak no? Especially against Reigns I felt, atleast they got his elimination right I would love to see AJ vs KO. Lesnar vs Wyatts is mildly interesting but theres really only one outcome and thats Brock going over because the Wyatts always lose. I have to catch the rest of the show but overall the rumble match was eh which is an improvement over the last two years but still nowhere near being great.
 
Stobzilla said:
Right now ? No one, which is why it is important to, i dunno, put one of the your major pushes over on your biggest PPV, quickly have that followed by the two behind him who have worked with each other extensively.

Slow build, they have rushed guys that weren't ready into the spots previously and they need to get it right this time, it is better to be safe.
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Which would be great except tonight (another big PPV) made Reigns look like a coward, saw him get booed and the guy hes gonna face get cheered. This could damage him more than help him, especially after the year he had getting the crowd behind him busting his ass and winning the title against Sheamus on Raw (and knocking out Vince).

Theyve needed to get it right for ages (with the decline in ratings, PPV buys, network subs not as they thought it would be). I honestly dont think Reigns will be in a stronger position after Wm compared to where he was a month ago in terms of crowd reactions.

As I said, we will see after WM what position they are in.
 
Why the hell did they spend the entire AJ Styles entrance focused on RR's face...
 
Castia said:
Why the hell did they spend the entire AJ Styles entrance focused on RR's face...
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As someone who doesn't really watch wrestling (just watched a few Brock matches and the odd Rumble on YouTube in the last few years) my thoughts:

How they booked Roman Reigns was really weird. I will say him not winning it was a bit of asurprise to me, but the whole get his ass handed to him, miss the whole match practically and come back totally fine was just stupid. I get they're going for him to be screwed over but still. I remember Austin and the Rock getting their ass kicked at Rumbles and coming back into it, but having him walk out holding his arm makes him look weaker than just laying him out for a while but still.

Lesnar: him taking out the big hairy guys was good, but I feel they totally wasted him in this. He was probably the only guy I was really interested in. His time in the ring was just him walking around suplexing people, which wasn't really exciting given how slow paced it was and felt like they just gave him that to make up for the awful exit. I was hoping he'd come back into the ring and F5 everyone. I have no idea why the hairy guys left once he was gone. If they can take him out they can take everyone out surely, so why not stick around? Also, don't think he was in the ring at all with Reigns or HHH, speaking of which...

Wtf. I've hardly watched wrestling for 15 years and he's still at it. Horribly predictable, though him eliminating Reigns was great. Don't know who that last guy was but it would have been great if he won the 2 belts. At no point did I think he'd knock out HHH though, when he got sweet chin musiced outside the ropes and stayed hanging on it's hard to see anything beating him

The purple guys were hilarious. Much like Lesnar that elimination was kinda wasted...especially as it was off camera. They should have had the big guy catch him a few times I think.

What was the craic with the ladder.

Overall, I watched this out of curiosity. I know I've written a bit but I won't watch it tomorrow or anything. It seems really badly booked, they have a few interesting or funny guys but meh. I will say the first match and the 2 Mexican lads were decent
 
Predictable Rumble, think a whilst back i think i posted that Wyatt's would eliminate Lesnar, and he'd come back to eliminate them. Also thought Sheamus and Triple H would eliminate Reigns.

I think even Sami coming back and eliminating KO was predicted by a few people. Least that sets them up to possibly have a classic at Wrestlemania.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Rumble notes:

The good

#1 Reigns not winning.
#2 Zayn vs KO vs Stlyes
#3 AJ Styles. Heard so much about him. Looking forward to seeing more.

The bad

#1 Jericho being there for so long is a travesty. Kofi was more entertaining and deserving ffs! :mad:
#2 Lesnar. Such an anti-climax. Not even to final 4! And no angry demolition!
#3 Wyatt family. Same story repeats. Always there, but never wins.

The Ugly:

#1 HHH winning this instead of Ambrose. So underserving and waste of a classic storyline. The Shield angle could have been continues even after Rollins returns.



Entertaining with a sloppy finish. 7.5/10.
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How can you hate Jericho? He's Chris Jericho!

As for Aj Styles ;google : Aj Styles vs Samao Joe vs Christopher Daniels Unbreakable 2005. There's a very good quality version on youtube, put up by TNA
 
K2K said:
How can you hate Jericho? He's Chris Jericho!

As for Aj Styles ;google : Aj Styles vs Samao Joe vs Christopher Daniels Unbreakable 2005. There's a very good quality version on youtube, put up by TNA
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As good as Chris Jericho is, he'll be gone after Wrestlemania. If you want someone going from early number's to being in the last four.... use that to build someone from the current generation, give the honour to AJ Styles or Zayn so they get a push right from the start.

It's the same problem i have with Triple H winning the title, he doesn't need to have the belt for me to be interested in Triple H vs Reigns at Wrestlemania.
 
Hal9000 said:
As good as Chris Jericho is, he'll be gone after Wrestlemania. If you want someone going from early number's to being in the last four.... use that to build someone from the current generation, give the honour to AJ Styles or Zayn so they get a push right from the start.

It's the same problem i have with Triple H winning the title, he doesn't need to have the belt for me to be interested in Triple H vs Reigns at Wrestlemania.
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All fair and reasonable points.

Didnt think of it that way.
 
Hamadovich86 said:
AJ looked sorta weak no? Especially against Reigns I felt, atleast they got his elimination right
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Yeah agreed. Was thinking throughout the rumble match that AJ should have gotten more offence in seeing as he's a big deal and he's a spectacular wrestler. Also I wonder what they have planned for him for Wrestlemania. Given he was eliminated by Owens, I thought he was set to feud with him... until Zayn eliminated Owens, which I'm extremely happy with given Owens and Zayn's history, although maybe they're planning a triple threat match with AJ, Owens and Zayn.

Rumble was a great watch
 
So a few weeks ago they had Ohilly cheering for Reigns when he won the title. How would you have booked the Rumble to keep Reigns over and keep his momentum going into WM?

Singles match with HHH last night, if they're intent on keeping Reigns in the title picture, that he loses almost cleanly. A little interference from Vince/Stephanie but not the whole League Of Nations/Reigns being superman again. I can understand why they want to keep Reigns in title contention, to give him his WM moment they couldn't last year.
 
So first time I watch this in well over a year and HHH books himself to win the Rumble and headline Wrestlemania :lol:

Oh well it was a great PPV anyway, would have much preferred an Ambrose win. Question to the regular watchers, is HHH still involving himself in the wrestling side of the business or was him doing this a massive surprise?
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
So first time I watch this in well over a year and HHH books himself to win the Rumble and headline Wrestlemania :lol:

Oh well it was a great PPV anyway, would have much preferred an Ambrose win. Question to the regular watchers, is HHH still involving himself in the wrestling side of the business or was him doing this a massive surprise?
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He's part time. Usually has 1 or 2 matches per year.

He's now mostly an on-screen authority figure , but has a huge backstage (Basically being groomed to take over with Steph) and also responsible for NXT (its awesome)
 
So the Rumble went as expected. I don't mind the angle they went with, But I don't know I just wanted something more creative.
 
In fairness though I can see why they went with that outcome, with the injuries they have and everything you can't have the guy you're trying to push going into WM as champion, whether it be Reigns or Ambrose. It's just sad that the only legitimate go to heel victory with enough mainstream appeal to headline WM is still HHH.
 
With some time to mull it over:

The good stuff:
- Ambrose retaining. Hope he goes over Y2J at WM and retains there too.
- AJ Styles debut. I noticed that they were very careful not to give too much away from a potential Styles vs Reigns match.
- KO vs Zayn vs Styles is such a tasty Wrestlemania match, or even without Styles.
- Reigns did not retain.
- Truth was funny as hell.
- The suspected Charlotte vs Banks match at WM seems to be happening.

The bad stuff:
- Of all the people you could make shine in this rumble, why on earth is Jericho your iron man?
- Lesnar seemed wasted a bit. Got in quite early, did some German, got royally screwed. And then decided to go home. Sure, ignoring kayfabe I can see Lesnar just go home (and never show up again), but in character that made no sense.
- Not sure what Reigns got out of this. He now looks both weak and a bit scared by spending so much time on a stretcher backstage.
- Missing the Kofi elimination
- Flair is one annoying, dirty man. Wish Becky had the title now.
 
I'm guessing Reigns' will be screwed out of his rematch or have it on RAW, no point in them having two PPV matches back to back.

Pretty pleased with my predictions though.
 
he sure has aged a lot since last time I saw him

Makes sense seeing as I recall watching him in the early 2000's
 
Seeing the reaction to HHH, this is exactly what the WWE wanted. Burying the young talent, booking himself to come in at 30 and winning the title at 46 pissing of the wrestling world. I said a few pages ago the guy can draw heat like no one else and over next 2 months he will make you hate him more then you do now.
 
What if.. Ambrose had lost the title to Owens earlier.. And then, the rumble plays out exactly as it did.. But when it's down to HHH/Ambrose.. They just shake hands and HHH eliminates himself.

Ambrose is champion and the new number 1 heel.

Ambrose/Reigns for the title at fast lane.. HHH interferes and costs reigns, Rock comes for the save.

Sets up Reigns/Ambrose and HHH/Rock at Mania.
 
sewey89 said:
What if.. Ambrose had lost the title to Owens earlier.. And then, the rumble plays out exactly as it did.. But when it's down to HHH/Ambrose.. They just shake hands and HHH eliminates himself.

Ambrose is champion and the new number 1 heel.

Ambrose/Reigns for the title at fast lane.. HHH interferes and costs reigns, Rock comes for the save.

Sets up Reigns/Ambrose and HHH/Rock at Mania.
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That would have worked. I think either way Reigns or Ambrose going heel would have been great even Reigns costing Ambrose the title. I said last night I think it'll be Reigns/HHH but seeing the reaction again tonight, you can't have 100k booing him at Mania.

I wonder who Taker will face, I was set on Owens but looks like Owens will be against either Zayn or AJ and it'll be Brock/Bray. Who's left? I like the idea of Balor, The Demon v The Deadman but they won't do that.
 
I'm just happy that Reigns didn't win last night. I don't understand why they made a big point of stacking the odds against Reigns by making him the #1 entrant and getting attacked, only for him to sit out almost half the match.

Unfortunately they'll continue to book Reigns as an 'underdog' and let him have his WrestleMania moment. I don't think I'll be able to watch when that happens.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
What a stupid ending. This royal rumble could have made a star out of Dean Ambrose.
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Duffy said:
Said this as it happened, Ambrose was on the cusp there, he could have been a made man. Despite that I am ok with the outcome.
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The cynical part of me thinks that's why it didn't happen. If Ambrose is up against Reigns, the crowd is only cheering one guy and it isn't the guy they want the fans to cheer so in their minds the best thing to do is keep them apart or just keep Ambrose as far from the title as possible. When Rollins got injured, a lot of people hoped for an Ambrose heel turn but he became Reigns' sidekick.
 
sewey89 said:
What if.. Ambrose had lost the title to Owens earlier.. And then, the rumble plays out exactly as it did.. But when it's down to HHH/Ambrose.. They just shake hands and HHH eliminates himself.

Ambrose is champion and the new number 1 heel.

Ambrose/Reigns for the title at fast lane.. HHH interferes and costs reigns, Rock comes for the save.

Sets up Reigns/Ambrose and HHH/Rock at Mania.
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I was really hoping for Ambrose to turn heel to, Knew it wasn't going to happen though as Hunter always wins.
 
So Mania could be something along the lines -

HHH vs Reigns
Wyatt vs Lesnar
Owens vs Styles (Cannot see Zayn in there as he will probably be at Takeover the night before. If anything I see him facing Owens at FastLane)

Ambrose vs Jericho?
New Day vs Usos?
Charlotte vs Sasha vs Becky vs Paige?
Battle Royal?
Kalisto vs ???
Stardust vs Amell?
 
Duffy said:
So Mania could be something along the lines -

HHH vs Reigns
Wyatt vs Lesnar
Owens vs Styles (Cannot see Zayn in there as he will probably be at Takeover the night before. If anything I see him facing Owens at FastLane)

Ambrose vs Jericho?
New Day vs Usos?
Charlotte vs Sasha vs Becky vs Paige?
Battle Royal?
Kalisto vs ???
Stardust vs Amell?
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Can't see that to be honest: I think the first math between Owens and Zayn on the main roster should be on a bigger PPV then Fastlane.

The new WWE 24 special is very good. Great to see how much respect Sting gets backstage, even if the ending of the match was shite.
 
Duffy said:
So Mania could be something along the lines -

HHH vs Reigns
Wyatt vs Lesnar
Owens vs Styles (Cannot see Zayn in there as he will probably be at Takeover the night before. If anything I see him facing Owens at FastLane)

Ambrose vs Jericho?
New Day vs Usos?
Charlotte vs Sasha vs Becky vs Paige?
Battle Royal?
Kalisto vs ???
Stardust vs Amell?
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Poor Undertaker...

I'd go Taker vs. Balor... that entrance would be huge and it would make Balor an instant star.
 
HHH v Reigns at Fastlane. Rock helps Reigns.

Wyatt v Lesnar -> #1 Contender at Fastlane. Lesnar wins against the odds.

Reigns v Lesnar and Rock v HHH at Wrestlemania
 
STill cannot get over the camera work last night. For a company usuallyso good presentation wise, they were all over the show. One shot of Reigns reactionless face as Styles music hit being the worst. The crowd was marking out and all we can see is Reigns face and wonder whats going on. Same with some missed eliminations, Kofi's being the stand out one.
 
Hal9000 said:
As good as Chris Jericho is, he'll be gone after Wrestlemania. If you want someone going from early number's to being in the last four.... use that to build someone from the current generation, give the honour to AJ Styles or Zayn so they get a push right from the start.

It's the same problem i have with Triple H winning the title, he doesn't need to have the belt for me to be interested in Triple H vs Reigns at Wrestlemania.
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Exactly the problem I had with it. It was just bizarre and usual WWE stuff we get on the road to WM and then they wonder why nobody cares about regular talent after Wm when they rely on them.

Rooney1987 said:
Seeing the reaction to HHH, this is exactly what the WWE wanted. Burying the young talent, booking himself to come in at 30 and winning the title at 46 pissing of the wrestling world. I said a few pages ago the guy can draw heat like no one else and over next 2 months he will make you hate him more then you do now.
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Except he got cheered, and hes going to do those same promos he did against Cena years ago which will make the fans boo Reigns even more and make the crowd 50/50 for their match. HHH is not a good heel anymore because he does the whole "im too cool so please cheer for me" and then the fans do.
 
Sylar said:
Except he got cheered, and hes going to do those same promos he did against Cena years ago which will make the fans boo Reigns even more and make the crowd 50/50 for their match. HHH is not a good heel anymore because he does the whole "im too cool so please cheer for me" and then the fans do.
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Yep... No idea why HHH was working this match as a face.
 
They've dropped the ball on Ambrose/Reigns, simple as that. There's a simple yet fantastic story there but they just won't go for it. I'm still living in hope we'll get Ambrose/Reigns/Rollins eventually but they've still missed a massive opportunity here. They could have gone with Ambrose/Reigns at Wrestlemania and then done it as a triple threat with Rollins down the line.

Most years I'm completely fine with Wrestlemania while others are worrying about the card but I've got to say I'm not massivley stoked in regards to the possible main matches on the table right now. HHH/Reigns for the title at Wrestlemania doesn't excite me at all. I'm a Wyatt fan but I'm not confident what so ever they're going to sell me on Wyatt/Lesnar.

Rollins getting injured has been a real shame in the long run. Might sound strange but I'd have brought Rollins/HHH way more than Reigns/HHH, for me the story was there for that and it just clicked. Will be interesting to see whether they do that when Rollins returns or whether he goes straight into a Reigns feud.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Yep... No idea why HHH was working this match as a face.
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With The Game as his music aswel as opposed to King of Kings. He was playing the face and Reigns the heel and it makes sense given the story, Reigns destroyed HHH and Trips came back for revenge, but we know thats just not what they are...I'm confused.
 
With Owens eliminating Styles, and Zayn eliminating Owens...I started thinking about a Triple Threat at Wrestlemania.

That could potentially be just as good, if not better, than the Styles/Joe/Daniels one in TNA :drool:
 
Duffy said:
STill cannot get over the camera work last night. For a company usuallyso good presentation wise, they were all over the show. One shot of Reigns reactionless face as Styles music hit being the worst.
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I was rewatching the debut a few times (the music is starting to grow on me btw) and I quite like it now. I think the crowd was quite smarky and knew who Styles is but a lot of people back home might not, and Reigns looking confused when unfamiliar music hits is probably a nice parallel with how people at home felt. The camera still cut to AJ as he entered, I think the crowd just popped earlier because the screen showed his logo or something.
 
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