Brock or a returning Daniel Bryan will win the rumble. HHH will cost Reigns.
Owens has zero business being in the ring with Lesnar.
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Brock or a returning Daniel Bryan will win the rumble. HHH will cost Reigns.
Owens has zero business being in the ring with Lesnar.
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I disagree. If WM is supposed to be the show where new talent shines through and takes over from the "old talent", pitting prizefighter vs prizefighter would be a great match.
Don't see Triple H vs Roman happening at Mania, Raw certainly pointed at Brock vs Roman coming soon. Roman vs Trips at Fast Lane, Trips tries shenanigans and Rock saves his cousin (yawn) and them actually going with Trips vs Rock at Mania with Brock challenging Roman (or maybe Roman challenging Brock).
Don't get your hopes up on Bryan.
I actually agree with the latter, and I'm as huge a big Kev fan as anyone, but facing him up with Brock would make him look indie as feck. A bit like when he had the face off with Randy.
The match itself also wouldn't particularly work, unless you go with a totally wild no DQ brawl but even then it'd be tough.
Don't get your hopes up on Bryan.
I actually agree with the latter, and I'm as huge a big Kev fan as anyone, but facing him up with Brock would make him look indie as feck. A bit like when he had the face off with Randy.
The match itself also wouldn't particularly work, unless you go with a totally wild no DQ brawl but even then it'd be tough.
Prize fighter vs Prize fighter?
Lesnar looks like a fighter. Owens looks like a fat lad down the pub. Not even remotely believable.
Lesnar is just in it for money and hurting people, KO is just in it for money and prizes. I could buy it, but I understand your point.
That's not true about Owens, he loves the buisness.
This is currently the years silliest post.
TBF, in terms of storyline, hes right. Sheamus however...
Agreed. Lesnar vs Owens would be great - hard hitting as feck.
It really isn't. I like Owens but putting him in a ring with Lesnar will just highlight how fat he is. They could probably put on a good match but Owens would look sooo out of place in aPrizefighter vs Prizefighter bout.
In terms of hard hitting bouts Sheamus is probably the most credible heel in that regard.
So you didn't see anything if his CZW run then? Or even the beat down he gave Neville this week?
It's about making stars, put Owens in with Lesnar and it will work, Owens will come out looking strong too. It will 100% work.
I'd love to see Owens v Lesnar just because I'd love to see Lesnar destroy him. Mind you, I like watching Lesnar destroy anyone to be fair. I'd pay to watch him take Roly to Suplex City!
Owens vs Lesnar would be great for Summerslam if they could build Owens for more than a few months. Hes not exactly beating Ambrose, so anything other than Brock destroying him would be a bit out of place (and tbh, nobody wants to see a match where its just destruction when it good be built properly).
Right now, Sheamus vs Brock would make most sense given Sheamus managed to get some hits on him on Raw (something nobody else did).
Right now, Sheamus vs Brock would make most sense given Sheamus managed to get some hits on him on Raw (something nobody else did).
You are in no position to say it'll 100% work. Putting anyone in a ring with Lesnar means they'll be thrown around like a rag doll for 15 mins. That will damage Owens rep as a bad ass fighter. Lesnar will go over and I really don't buy the "he'll come out strong regardless for just being in the ring with him" the same logic is applied to Takers opponents and they rarely come out smelling of roses.
If WWE are smart they'll keep Owens out of the ring with Lesnar as all it'll lead to is a damaged rep long term. 99% only know him as Owens so his indie work will mean the square root of feck all to the crowd.
Owens should be squashing someone like Jericho at his first Mania, not getting suplexed 20 times.
It did the world of good for Reigns.
^Reigns is a face who took punishment and didnt give up.
Owens is a bad guy who people want to see get beaten up.
NXT was a lot of fun, again. Each segment meant something to the overall picture (as well as what was happening on the show).
Owens is a bad guy who people want to see get beaten up.
NXT was a lot of fun, again. Each segment meant something to the overall picture (as well as what was happening on the show).
Different scenario. They changed their approach on Reigns as the underdog overcoming the odds. It's the opposite of how they're building Owens.
What if they put Owens over Lesnar at mania?
Are you one of these 'if he loses it means they're burying him' kind of fans? I don't mean that disrespectfully it's just I like to know who I'm debating with
No not at all. But having your rising star get squashed (for lack of a better phrase) by an established guy will kill his momentum.
There is no way that Owens goes over Lesnar. It's one thing going over Cena at a throwaway network PPV but to beat your biggest star at the biggest event of the year, never going to happen.
There's too much impatience within wrestling communities, especially when it comes to the indie darlings. Give Owens another year and maybe at next year's WM have him face Lesnar.
Unfortunately I think the injury situation is going to make WWE panic and go for this match.
I will never watch WWE again if that happens. It's bad enough as it is without taking it to those extremes.
But I'm not talking about him going in there are getting squashed, I'm talking about them going toe to toe and Owens SUPRISING everyone with his physicality and his ability to absorb punishment.
Lesnar wins but Owens comes close. Both men are capable of working stiff as well so it will look amazing.
If it goes that way which I believe it will especially seeing as they had him hang tough with Reigns on raw then you have Lesnar looking strong and Owens is automatically elevated. That's booking.
Well that's just silly without even seeing the match or the buildup.
Not really, Owens is in his first year with the big boys and after beating Cena, what has he actually done? He's been in some great matches for sure, but he hasn't maintained a winning streak. He has lost more than his fair share of fights and has also been made to look pretty weak in recent weeks imho. Don't get me wrong, I love his diversity as a wrestler and I can't think of anyone who has surprised me as much either. He is fantastically quick and agile for a big lad and has some amazing moves in his locker. I just don't see him beating Brock yet, I wouldn't find it believable no matter how good the build up over the next couple of months. Next year, after a solid year of battering the entire roster, maybe, but not this year.
It's unbelievable and isn't going to happen.
Vince let Cena get squashed, the streak get ended, have Reigns dominated, there's no way he's letting a fat Canadian get anywhere close to Lesnar, no matter how much Haitch is behind him.
I don't doubt the match will be hard hitting and stiff but they aren't going to book it the way you are in your head.
Rubbish.
Also get this fat lad out of your head, has his size even inhibited him in the slightest?
Again, I'm talking about Lesnar going over and Owens looking strong it isn't even far fetched at all.
I agree, calling him fat is kinda a lazy way to post about him. Is he chiseled? Of course not, but you look at UFC, there are a few fighters like that who are pretty legit.
He lost to Neville in like 10 seconds recently...
He lost to Neville in like 10 seconds recently...
Ok, at smackdown they have...
So let's see that first and see what happens.
booked Owens vs Ambrose in a streetfight
So let's see that first and see what happens.
Owens is fat, there is no escaping that fact. That's not a slight on his agility or ability in the ring just a comment on his body size and shape. Against Lesnar it'd be even more noticeable.
You clearly have a bit of a hard on for Owens, understandably, he's very talented. You also seemed to be swayed by his work in other promotions. But you're just fantasy booking and not thinking about the long term or even how Vince would book it. Since the streak ended the only guys to go close to toe to toe with Lesnar are Cena and Taker and one of them was a dirty win, while Cena could easily eat the loss. Owens will have a great career in WWE but it's too soon to be putting him close to Lesnar. Since his Cena win what has he done of note? Beat Ryback, have a forgettable feud with Ambrose? He's not there yet, that's not to say with the right booking between now and next year he couldnt be built into a credible opponent for Lesnar.
He's not even been on the main roster for a year. This year needs to be about building his persona, not having it destroyed.
I agree, calling him fat is kinda a lazy way to post about him. Is he chiseled? Of course not, but you look at UFC, there are a few fighters like that who are pretty legit.
He lost to Neville in like 10 seconds recently...
I don't mind that he isn't buff like almost all the main top stars in the WWE, for a couple of reason. 1. Because it kind of reminds me of the oldskool wrestlers, as do many of his moves. 2. Because he has believable natural strength, if that makes sense.
Yeah, him losing to Neville doesn't help his cause to appear the hard man prizefighter he is trying to be. Hence the reason of him needing a solid year beating everyone for me to even contemplate him having a chance against Brock. The more i'm thinking about it, the more i'm liking the sound of Brock v Owens next year at WM. (You will have to save the Strawberry Yoghurt till then Roly
)I agree, calling him fat is kinda a lazy way to post about him. Is he chiseled? Of course not, but you look at UFC, there are a few fighters like that who are pretty legit.
He lost to Neville in like 10 seconds recently...
I addressed it in my response to Roland but I'm not attacking him, just a simple fact, he is fat.
Fwiw I really like Owens.
I am fantasy booking, of course I am it's like my favourite hobby, but this makes an instant star, a badass who can wrestle, excellent.
I do have a hard on for Owens, the same way I loved his ROH work, his feud with El Generico (Sami Zayn) was fecking amazing. I only brought up his CZW work to prove he his capable of having hardcore, street fight type matches, which you will see yourself soon whether it be against Lesnar or otherwise.
What can I say? I'm a pro wrestling fan, I watch several different promotions and enjoy various different styles, it's not a case of loving the 'Internet darlings' a term I fecking hate, it's a case of enjoying their work in promotions that the wwe generally refuse to acknowledge. For example CM Punk was seen as an 'Internet darling' during his ROH run is that because we all loved him but he was a poor worker? No, it was because pro wrestling especially outside of wwe is a niche interest and the Internet is a place for fans to discuss it.
I'm familiar with all Owens previous work in other promotions. His ladder match with El Generico is one of my favourite ever ladder matches.
What would your WM card be?
I think it'll be
HHH vs Reigns
Lesnar vs Sheamus
Taker vs??? (I was certain it was going to be Cena so I don't see who they can have him go up against, potentially Owens)
IC ladder match.
Del Rio vs Kalisto
New Day vs uso's vs dudleys
The Rock turning up and doing a corny promo, maybe getting involved in the Reigns match.
Behave yourself. Take your Indy bias away and think for a second. Wrestlemania is mainstream, Owens is not.
Kevin Owens looks indyrific in his shirt and shorts combo. On a sheer talent level, yes Owens deserves to be up there with Brock.
But come on. Lesnar is booked as basically unbeatable. Owens has been beaten, and is nowhere near on Lesnars level kayfabe. What use is it to him getting suplexed over and over again.
People thought last year Reigns looked ridiculous against Lesnar, Owens would be ten times worse.
I kid you not, I text my friend this morning with almost the same card. I had:
-World title HHH vs Reigns (Champ going in)
-Lesnar vs Sheamus
-Taker vs Owens
-IC / US unification ladder match - Del rio, kalisto, neville, ziggler, Ambrose, breeze
-Tag titles New Day vs Enzo/Cass (though that was more fantasy than realistic - realistic was same as your threeway)
-Charlotte vs Sasha vs Becky divas title
-Andre Giant battle royal
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Then Rock doing a promo, which involved Austin (past), Orton and Cena (present) and then maybe somebody like Rollins (future)...(If Bryan isnt cleared maybe him?)
That way it gets them all involved without having to wrestle.
Or maybe just a Rock, Jericho, Austin promo.
It is not. Owens is great, but he's done nowhere enough to deserve a HW title/main event slot. He had a decent feud with Cena and is slated for another with Ambrose. Exactly what he should have right now. I can understand fast tracking, but putting him with Lesnar is just way too early. Reigns & Lesnar are a level above KO currently.
The only difference I see is HHH being champ going into Mania, so Reigns gets his moment with the pyro going off.
Edit: I don't see them unifying the two 2nd tier titles. They have too many wrestlers to only have two titles.
I see Reigns going in as champ like Cena did tbh, I cant see him losing the title at the Rumble unless it is to Brock. And I really cant see HHH winning the title, dont think its needed especially for a 1 or 2 month reign.
Neither do I regarding the title unification, but I think it would be a good move. I keep forgetting who each champ is (well since Cena lost the US title) because it seems they can only defend one of the belts at a time. I would mind a unification and at each time about 3 or 4 people going for it (tbh, id prefer they do that with both the lower tier belts now).
Who do people think would look good (and probably more importantly, draw) against Lesnar? He's the ultimate beast and has looked dominant against every single person they've put in front of him - and will always do so.
Fantasy booking - how would you book his run to Wrestlemania and who would he face?
Fantasy booking - how would you book his run to Wrestlemania and who would he face?
Triple threat between Lesnar, Reigns and Sheamus. Or a Fatal Fourway if HHH decides to get back in the ring.
I think current storyline point to HHH eliminating Reigns at the very least. Way I see Rumble playing out is the final 5/6 being in the ring (Lesnar, Reigns, Sheamus, Del Rio, Rusev, maybe Owens) number 30 comes out and HHH walks out. Lesnar gets eliminated by Sheamus with the help of Rusev and Del Rio, Reigns comes to his rescue eliminating those three and then HHH throws him over the top rope.