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Reigns spear is fantastic. My favourite spearfest from him was the 2013 Survivor Series.
 
ZDwyr said:
Bray winning would also diminish what Brock did. I mean if Bray wins people will say "oh right, well what Brock did wasn't that special then." This ultimately devalues Reigns beating Lesnar too because Lesnar doesn't look as strong. Although they have built Brock strongly aside from the 'taker thing so it may not matter.
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They could easily stage it so that Undertaker's momentum has been killed by Brock, and he's now merely human or whatever. Everyone remembers their first, especially at 21.

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I want Undertaker to win. It'll be a fitting send off to a legend.

Bray's whole career is still ahead and he'll get more opportunities down the road to headline events. Not this time.
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Bray is in danger of being painted as a big match flop who will always lose when he's up against a star, thereby being banished to midcard for eternity. He (very much like Ambrose) desperately need a BIG win.

langster said:
No it probably doesn't help much, but I like what he wears, it suits him. I also love he kept the Shield entrance music and still comes in from the crowd, it's class. It's his wrestling and more importantly his special moves. The kick from the floor outside the ring isn't always done well, his superman punch is ok, but a bit meh. As for the spear. I've always hated that as a finisher. Even when Edge had it. It's a fine move for sure, but I just don't see it as a top finisher, and certainly not for their top stars. It's not an RKO or Stunner or FU or Rock Bottom or sister Abigail and on and on,............... but I appreciate that's just my opinion.
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You can't compare Roman's spear to Edge, Big Show, Batista etc... with their running cuddle. Roman has a great spear, Goldberg would be a much better comparison, as he similarly destroyed guys when he hit it. No one had any complaints then and they shouldn't with Roman's, although I do agree most guys can't pull it off.

Slight aside I find interesting, no one cared for the Swinging Reverse STO (Sister Abigail) when Fandango was using it as a random move early in his time on the main roster. It's all about how a move is portrayed.

Rolandofgilead said:
Reigns is far from bad, I just think that he was the least talented worker of the three shield performers and I also think he isn't ready for a title run.
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This is the important thing that everyone seems to be missing. Roman is quite frankly incredible for how inexperienced he is, there's guys that have been in the company for A LOT longer that are A LOT worse than he is (Konnor comes to mind), is he ready for this monster push? Probably not. Was Cena ready in 2005? Hell no. Was the Rock ready in 1997? No chance. Austin in 1996? Nope. Who on the roster IS ready right now? If you never throw anyone in at the deep end then you'll never make a star, you'll just get a floundering midcarder. Edge is about the highest a guy can get without that deep end push, and that was pure luck in the series of events that made him what he became.
 
phelans shorts said:
Bray is in danger of being painted as a big match flop who will always lose when he's up against a star, thereby being banished to midcard for eternity. He (very much like Ambrose) desperately need a BIG win.
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Danger, pfft. He still has a solid fan backing and he can easily take up the place Undertaker has vacated. I would say he's had more success than Ambrose till now.
 
phelans shorts said:
You can't compare Roman's spear to Edge, Big Show, Batista etc... with their running cuddle. Roman has a great spear, Goldberg would be a much better comparison, as he similarly destroyed guys when he hit it. No one had any complaints then and they shouldn't with Roman's, although I do agree most guys can't pull it off.

Slight aside I find interesting, no one cared for the Swinging Reverse STO (Sister Abigail) when Fandango was using it as a random move early in his time on the main roster. It's all about how a move is portrayed.
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I wasn't comparing them, just saying I don't like it as a finishing move for the very top stars. Edge is a perfect example, it just looked poor. I agree Roman's spear is far better, and the one a couple of weeks ago on RAW (I think) or maybe Fastlane, where he caught someone mid-air (I think it was Rollins) he nearly broke him in half, but for me it's a great move, but not a finishing move. I also agree with your last point. Well spotted.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Danger, pfft. He still has a solid fan backing and he can easily take up the place Undertaker has vacated. I would say he's had more success than Ambrose till now.
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I did say both were in a similar position with how much they need that big win. Bray has been steadily losing popularity for a long time now, since the Cena feud.

For anyone who enjoyed New Japan the other month by the way, next PPV is the week after Mania, big matches are Kota Ibushi (you may remember him being in the best match of the year so far against Shinsuke Nakamura at Wrestle Kingdom) challenging AJ Styles for the title, Bad Luck Fale against Okada (the two had a pretty good match last week, so if given time it should be interesting). Also on the card are Gallows and Gun defending against ROH's the Kingdom (this match will largely consist of very awkward camera shots of Maria Kanellis' arse going by past Kingdom appearances) and the match that may actually steal the show in Kenny Omega vs Mascara Dorada.

Cody Hall (Scott's son) has started wrestling too and should be on the show, and he is VERY impressive. Stupidly agile and well balanced for a guy so humongously large.
 
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phelans shorts said:
I did say both were in a similar position with how much they need that big win. Bray has been steadily losing popularity for a long time now, since the Cena feud.
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Tbh, even if he loses, put him back into the Ambrose feud and it'll be awesome. Two explosive and weird characters and a a storyline llike Bearer/Undertake/Kane would simply take them to the top....and they don't even need to be in a title match.

phelans shorts said:
You can't compare Roman's spear to Edge, Big Show, Batista etc... with their running cuddle. Roman has a great spear, Goldberg would be a much better comparison, as he similarly destroyed guys when he hit it.
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I never had a high opinion of Spear, but in Goldberg that was awesome. That man excludes a predator like menace and with those massive neck/shoulder muscles a spear would be deadly. Roman is not built that way and he certainly lacks a character. What is he? A hardman in Shield? And after that, just a well built wrestler. He lacks any kind of character that propels, Wyatt, Ambrose, Rollins etc.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I want Undertaker to win. It'll be a fitting send off to a legend.

Bray's whole career is still ahead and he'll get more opportunities down the road to headline events. Not this time.
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This isn't Undertaker's send off. That's next year in his home town against Sting. Hence why Sting is getting his token win against HHH so that he doesn't just come to WWE to lose one match.
 
phelans shorts said:
This is the important thing that everyone seems to be missing. Roman is quite frankly incredible for how inexperienced he is, there's guys that have been in the company for A LOT longer that are A LOT worse than he is (Konnor comes to mind), is he ready for this monster push? Probably not. Was Cena ready in 2005? Hell no. Was the Rock ready in 1997? No chance. Austin in 1996? Nope. Who on the roster IS ready right now? If you never throw anyone in at the deep end then you'll never make a star, you'll just get a floundering midcarder. Edge is about the highest a guy can get without that deep end push, and that was pure luck in the series of events that made him what he became.
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Cena was ready in 2005. He held the US title in 04 and was improving year on year.
Austin was more prepared in 96 but got his monster push in 97/98.
Rock got his initial push as IC champ and it flopped until they turned him heel, then face again after his Nation run and then his real monster push came end of 97. He was clearly ready then.

I dont have a problem with Reigns getting the push though and tbh, I said a year ago that they should build Brock to be undefeated and then lose a year after defeating the streak to Reigns (as it seemed most obvious). WWE could have done a much better job with it though and his reactions would be immense.

I do wonder what the reaction at WM will be though. It would suck for Reigns if his big moment has the crowd booing him but that will be more WWEs fault than Reigns.
 
phelans shorts said:
They could easily stage it so that Undertaker's momentum has been killed by Brock, and he's now merely human or whatever. Everyone remembers their first, especially at 21.



Bray is in danger of being painted as a big match flop who will always lose when he's up against a star, thereby being banished to midcard for eternity. He (very much like Ambrose) desperately need a BIG win.



You can't compare Roman's spear to Edge, Big Show, Batista etc... with their running cuddle. Roman has a great spear, Goldberg would be a much better comparison, as he similarly destroyed guys when he hit it. No one had any complaints then and they shouldn't with Roman's, although I do agree most guys can't pull it off.

Slight aside I find interesting, no one cared for the Swinging Reverse STO (Sister Abigail) when Fandango was using it as a random move early in his time on the main roster. It's all about how a move is portrayed.



This is the important thing that everyone seems to be missing. Roman is quite frankly incredible for how inexperienced he is, there's guys that have been in the company for A LOT longer that are A LOT worse than he is (Konnor comes to mind), is he ready for this monster push? Probably not. Was Cena ready in 2005? Hell no. Was the Rock ready in 1997? No chance. Austin in 1996? Nope. Who on the roster IS ready right now? If you never throw anyone in at the deep end then you'll never make a star, you'll just get a floundering midcarder. Edge is about the highest a guy can get without that deep end push, and that was pure luck in the series of events that made him what he became.
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Austins push didn't really start until Mania at '97 with THAT match against Bret Hart, he was built much more slowly, Intercontinental championship reign firstly then they were really smart with him, built his redneck anti-hero persona and started the feud with vince, before putting him over michaels at mania. from the king of the ring win in june '96 he didn't win the title until Mania in '98 nearly 2 years later, by the time he won the title he was more then ready.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Austins push didn't really start until Mania at '97 with THAT match against Bret Hart, he was built much more slowly, Intercontinental championship reign firstly then they were really smart with him, built his redneck anti-hero persona and started the feud with vince, before putting him over michaels at mania. from the king of the ring win in june '96 he didn't win the title until Mania in '98 nearly 2 years later, by the time he won the title he was more then ready.
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Austin was almost certainly going to have won the title before that if he hadn't broken his neck. Austin was a very heavily protected push from the Curtain Call on.

In other news, this is quite frankly excellent.

 
Rolandofgilead said:
Austins push didn't really start until Mania at '97 with THAT match against Bret Hart, he was built much more slowly, Intercontinental championship reign firstly then they were really smart with him, built his redneck anti-hero persona and started the feud with vince, before putting him over michaels at mania. from the king of the ring win in june '96 he didn't win the title until Mania in '98 nearly 2 years later, by the time he won the title he was more then ready.
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Royal Rumble win in January 97? a push doesn't exactly get bigger than that....
 
Earthquake said:
Would the they not be linked? Rumble > Hart > Main Event, all as part of one long push.
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I guess they are in a way, but it's just a much slower paced push then some of the others mentioned. Austin went from KOTR - Rumble - Bret - Intercontinental title - Neck Break - Rumble - Ttitle. My point was it was a well built slow push over nearly 2 years instead of bing, bang title.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
I guess they are in a way, but it's just a much slower paced push then some of the others mentioned. Austin went from KOTR - Rumble - Bret - Intercontinental title - Neck Break - Rumble - Ttitle. My point was it was a well built slow push over nearly 2 years instead of bing, bang title.
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Ahhh, development, I remember that.....
 
You guys seen that thread in the general mocking us? I would organise an invasion of it but i'm too bust crying because somebody told me wrestling isn't real and now my life has no meaning.

Idiots.
 
Cena's promo was much better than Heyman's last week btw. He didn't bury anyone and made his match out to be the most important around, all you can ask for.

Then that was followed by the soul patched Art Garfunkel lookalike Russian lawyer with the worst accent in the world falling out of the ring. Greatest segment in wrestling history.
 
Been a fun half of Raw so far. Well cept Show vs Rowan. They should have just kept Rowan and Harper together, they were hardly together for a year.
And what happened to Ascension? lol.

Also Brock is the only one that actually speaks like an adult.
 
Axelmania is great :lol:

Edit: Good promo from Reigns. Need to see a Reigns/Brock face off now and maybe a teaser brawl on the last Raw.
 
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Rolandofgilead said:
You guys seen that thread in the general mocking us? I would organise an invasion of it but i'm too bust crying because somebody told me wrestling isn't real and now my life has no meaning.

Idiots.
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Tbh, I only watch factual documentaries these days, after I discovered Breaking Bad wasn't real.
 
Minkaro said:
Tbh, I only watch factual documentaries these days, after I discovered Breaking Bad wasn't real.
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A frequent argument that people like that just can't take.....

Oh, you laugh at me for watching scripted entertainment? please tell me all about how real your zombie killing cop hero is...
 
Yeah Rollins reacting to that was great. J&J on the whole have been fantastic additions. A cool version of the stooges haha.
 
Just watching wrestlemania 25 on the network. feck me was Hardy boy vs Hardy boy a great match!!
 
Garethw said:
Just watching wrestlemania 25 on the network. feck me was Hardy boy vs Hardy boy a great match!!
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So underrated. Great little match and the ending is brutal looking, really well done.


Think that Mania gets some bad rep for Kid Rock and the divas taking up time plus a bust of a main event, but mitb and the hardys were good plus Taker/HBK is one of the greatest matches ever, so I think it's a decent mania.
 
Duffy said:
So underrated. Great little match and the ending is brutal looking, really well done.


Think that Mania gets some bad rep for Kid Rock and the divas taking up time plus a bust of a main event, but mitb and the hardys were good plus Taker/HBK is one of the greatest matches ever, so I think it's a decent mania.
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Absolutely mate.
 
They have wasted WM 31. There were potential great matches and we got none. Rollins vs Orton should be good though.

Also too many bog standard singles matches. Would be nice to see some themed ones like a submission match for example.
 
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