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Riley has a ton of charisma and mic ability. Since moving to the announce team he's stepped it up a few notches as he's become very comfortable verbalising. He also looks a lot less generic now than when he was last in a WWE ring. I think they can make something of him yet.
 
Paul Heymans promo on Raw this week was brilliant! it had a feel of realism and frustration with actual backstage events and it didn't feel forced at all, a superb piece of work.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
you think the promo was bad? you know me, i'm not the kind to dish out praise unless it is deserved.
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I thought it was absolutely awful.

Let's look at it in stages, he started by just being outright racist calling Samoans cannibals, which was just weird, but I can take a bit of light racism from a heel since it makes them a heel, then they did the whole mic cutting out trope so that he could 'shoot' and things went from bad to worse, with his nauseating pandering to 'smart fans' with regards to the whole Brock walk out situation, which is not something that needed bringing up at all, namedropping the UFC for added effect which it didn't get as it was so obviously a work. Then you got him belittling the Undertaker a bit, which is fair enough, but the manner in which he did it COMPLETELY buried the number two match at Wrestlemania.

If ANYONE else had done that it would rightly get abuse from all quarters.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
Riley has a ton of charisma and mic ability. Since moving to the announce team he's stepped it up a few notches as he's become very comfortable verbalising. He also looks a lot less generic now than when he was last in a WWE ring. I think they can make something of him yet.
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Not long as the invisible man keeps holding him back.
 
phelans shorts said:
I thought it was absolutely awful.

Let's look at it in stages, he started by just being outright racist calling Samoans cannibals, which was just weird, but I can take a bit of light racism from a heel since it makes them a heel, then they did the whole mic cutting out trope so that he could 'shoot' and things went from bad to worse, with his nauseating pandering to 'smart fans' with regards to the whole Brock walk out situation, which is not something that needed bringing up at all, namedropping the UFC for added effect which it didn't get as it was so obviously a work. Then you got him belittling the Undertaker a bit, which is fair enough, but the manner in which he did it COMPLETELY buried the number two match at Wrestlemania.

If ANYONE else had done that it would rightly get abuse from all quarters.
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interesting perspective.

The cannibals comment was a bit weird i admit but i think it was intended as a set up for his next comment about Reigns father and uncle sending him and his family to bars to fight, which was a comment designed for people to think that reigns is a tough, tough guy.

Then you have the mic cutting in and out, it was obviously designed as a worked shoot but how is that any worse then an everyday average promo that we see in the build up to every title match at every ppv ever? they were trying to engage the 'smart' fans, these fans know that Brock has been talking to UFC, they know that he walked out of Raw last week whilst arguing with Vince, why not embrace that? there is no such thing as kayfabe anymore, the point was made when HHH was on Austins podcast on the network and broke Kayfabe within 30 seconds.

I found it refreshing, it was a more realistic promo then we are usually force fed.

Also, i enjoyed the Bray Wyatt section of the show and the special FX they used, not realistic obviously, but enjoyable none the less, I also enjoyed the Opening section with The Authority and Orton, even if stevie wonder with blocked ears, in a dark room with stupid amounts of gullibility would have known what was going to happen in the main event.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Also, i enjoyed the Bray Wyatt section of the show and the special FX they used, not realistic obviously, but enjoyable none the less,
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I'm struggling to get interested in this, tbh. I mean we should get another good promo or two, some smashing Wrestlemania entrances maybe, but then what? An average match, that's in effect pretty pointless.
 
I could watch a three hour Raw full of Paul Heyman talking and it would be great.
 
Earthquake said:
I'm struggling to get interested in this, tbh. I mean we should get another good promo or two, some smashing Wrestlemania entrances maybe, but then what? An average match, that's in effect pretty pointless.
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The match itself will be awesome, Wyatt is going to have to work so hard to get a decent match out of an old, out of shape and barely able to move Taker. The point of the match IMO is to put Wyatt over and give him a decent run, After his Rumble display (eliminating x amount of stars) i am assuming he is in for a decent push this year.
 
TBH, nobody knows what shape Taker is in for sure. Anybody basing it on a concussed match with Brock is being a bit unfair. For all we know, he has been training for the last 3-4 months just for this match. A bit of hair dye and make up (and if hes been working on his fitness) and wham, wont be a bad thing.
 
Sylar said:
TBH, nobody knows what shape Taker is in for sure. Anybody basing it on a concussed match with Brock is being a bit unfair. For all we know, he has been training for the last 3-4 months just for this match. A bit of hair dye and make up (and if hes been working on his fitness) and wham, wont be a bad thing.
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Agree it's unfair on Taker. His matches with HBK and HHH were good.

I seen few recent pics of him and he looks in good shape.
 
Sylar said:
TBH, nobody knows what shape Taker is in for sure. Anybody basing it on a concussed match with Brock is being a bit unfair. For all we know, he has been training for the last 3-4 months just for this match. A bit of hair dye and make up (and if hes been working on his fitness) and wham, wont be a bad thing.
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Bojan11 said:
Agree it's unfair on Taker. His matches with HBK and HHH were good.

I seen few recent pics of him and he looks in good shape.
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I don't argue that he is in great shape, but he hasn't wrestled in a year, even for a veteran like Taker, that is a long time.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
I don't argue that he is in great shape, but he hasn't wrestled in a year, even for a veteran like Taker, that is a long time.
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Well, its been the case for the last few years where hes only wrestled once a year so its not a big deal. TBH, his match with Brock wasnt bad given the circumstances. Wasnt a classic by any means, but obviously anything that happened in the match was overshadowed by the ending!
 
Sylar said:
Well, its been the case for the last few years where hes only wrestled once a year so its not a big deal. TBH, his match with Brock wasnt bad given the circumstances. Wasnt a classic by any means, but obviously anything that happened in the match was overshadowed by the ending!
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My general point is that the match quality doesn't really matter, the end result is going to be intended to elevate Wyatt and that is far from a bad thing IMO
 
Rolandofgilead said:
The match itself will be awesome, Wyatt is going to have to work so hard to get a decent match out of an old, out of shape and barely able to move Taker. The point of the match IMO is to put Wyatt over and give him a decent run, After his Rumble display (eliminating x amount of stars) i am assuming he is in for a decent push this year.
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Tbh, Wyatt isn't that good of a wrestler that I expect him to draw a match out of someone else.

As for putting him over, how? Even if he wins, it's like who gives a shit, Lesnar's been there, done that.... Feck sake, Undertaker'd be on the start of a loosing streak, and that'd make it all about him again.
 
It all depends on how its done. Bray can walk out with a loss and look better than if he were to win based on booking and how strong they make him look.
 
Earthquake said:
Tbh, Wyatt isn't that good of a wrestler that I expect him to draw a match out of someone else.

As for putting him over, how? Even if he wins, it's like who gives a shit, Lesnar's been there, done that.... Feck sake, Undertaker'd be on the start of a loosing streak, and that'd make it all about him again.
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Make him Annihilate the Undertaker and have it as the undertakers last Match. Can even give taker the win, but have wyatt absolutely destroy him after the whistle.
 
Earthquake said:
Tbh, Wyatt isn't that good of a wrestler that I expect him to draw a match out of someone else.

As for putting him over, how? Even if he wins, it's like who gives a shit, Lesnar's been there, done that.... Feck sake, Undertaker'd be on the start of a loosing streak, and that'd make it all about him again.
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Wyatt is hideously under rated as an athlete IMO but it is obviously set up to make him look strong, based purely on the promo from Monday night i think the WWE see it as a sort of passing of the torch from one dark character to another.
 
Earthquake said:
Tbh, Wyatt isn't that good of a wrestler that I expect him to draw a match out of someone else.

As for putting him over, how? Even if he wins, it's like who gives a shit, Lesnar's been there, done that.... Feck sake, Undertaker'd be on the start of a loosing streak, and that'd make it all about him again.
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Rolandofgilead said:
Wyatt is hideously under rated as an athlete IMO but it is obviously set up to make him look strong, based purely on the promo from Monday night i think the WWE see it as a sort of passing of the torch from one dark character to another.
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I think you're both right, kinda.

Bray is a fantastic athlete, he is not however a fantastic wrestler. He's fully capable of keeping up with anyone he's in the ring with, hence why his matches with the very best (Daniel Bryan, large portions of his work with Cena etc...) are up there with the best anyone can produce, he can't lead however. That's a problem when he's in there with Taker, who has reached the point where he needs to be carried, or relying on spot fests (I highly suspect this match will semi-main so that they can show off with a load of smoke and mirrors and special effects to hide the issues with the actual match).

The result of the match SHOULD be Bray winning, there's no reason they should go with Undertaker winning, especially if we assume Sting beats Trips early on in the show. Wyatt may not get the rub of the streak per se but being the second guy to beat him does still get some of that rub, law of diminishing returns and all that. It's just a shame they shit the bed on Bray losing to Cena last year.
 
Bray winning would also diminish what Brock did. I mean if Bray wins people will say "oh right, well what Brock did wasn't that special then." This ultimately devalues Reigns beating Lesnar too because Lesnar doesn't look as strong. Although they have built Brock strongly aside from the 'taker thing so it may not matter.
 
Everyone lining up to suck Reings off is pretty annoying.
I don't mind him. He's fine... but it has been unbearable since his Rumble win.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
He was the weakest worker from the three shield guys too.
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Personally I thought that was Ambrose. I hated him when he was in Shield, his character of being absolutely menthol didn't really fit in my opinion. Rollins was the standout performer with all his daring high flying stunts and Reigns was the quiet controlled hard man. I must admit they turned it all around for me when they split, Ambrose is now one of my favourite characters, he is brilliant. Rollins is just the same wrestling wise, and his obviously over the top heel act is annoying yet funny at times, Reigns, well he is just the same as he was in the Shield, just on his own, and boring, and very, very one dimensional.
 
langster said:
Personally I thought that was Ambrose. I hated him when he was in Shield, his character of being absolutely menthol didn't really fit in my opinion. Rollins was the standout performer with all his daring high flying stunts and Reigns was the quiet controlled hard man. I must admit they turned it all around for me when they split, Ambrose is now one of my favourite characters, he is brilliant. Rollins is just the same wrestling wise, and his obviously over the top heel act is annoying yet funny at times, Reigns, well he is just the same as he was in the Shield, just on his own, and boring, and very, very one dimensional.
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Think the fact Reigns is still essentially wearing the same thing, has the same entrance music and the same entrance method doesn't help.
 
Duffy said:
Think the fact Reigns is still essentially wearing the same thing, has the same entrance music and the same entrance method doesn't help.
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No it probably doesn't help much, but I like what he wears, it suits him. I also love he kept the Shield entrance music and still comes in from the crowd, it's class. It's his wrestling and more importantly his special moves. The kick from the floor outside the ring isn't always done well, his superman punch is ok, but a bit meh. As for the spear. I've always hated that as a finisher. Even when Edge had it. It's a fine move for sure, but I just don't see it as a top finisher, and certainly not for their top stars. It's not an RKO or Stunner or FU or Rock Bottom or sister Abigail and on and on,............... but I appreciate that's just my opinion.
 
langster said:
No it probably doesn't help much, but I like what he wears, it suits him. I also love he kept the Shield entrance music and still comes in from the crowd, it's class. It's his wrestling and more importantly his special moves. The kick from the floor outside the ring isn't always done well, his superman punch is ok, but a bit meh. As for the spear. I've always hated that as a finisher. Even when Edge had it. It's a fine move for sure, but I just don't see it as a top finisher, and certainly not for their top stars. It's not an RKO or Stunner or FU or Rock Bottom or sister Abigail and on and on,............... but I appreciate that's just my opinion.
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A moveset can make or break someone, especially a finisher. Look at Rollins, the curb stomp is simple yet effective. I remember watching nxt months back and first saw Corbin use the end of days and straight away thought "feck, that was awesome!" It can work so well for someone.
 
Duffy said:
A moveset can make or break someone, especially a finisher. Look at Rollins, the curb stomp is simple yet effective. I remember watching nxt months back and first saw Corbin use the end of days and straight away thought "feck, that was awesome!" It can work so well for someone.
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Of course it can make or break someone, it's what they have to sell for their entire career. Some work, some don't. No matter what people say about Cena he does have some moves. The FU and STFU are great moves and more than make up for his aptly named "five knuckle shuffle" and he can throw in any number of moves when he wants. The Rock Bottom makes up for his awful "five knuckle peoples elbow shuffle" Triple H has the Pedigree, Undertaker has a list but mainly Tombstone and Hells Teeth, Lesnar has the awesome F5, Ryback has Shellshocked, Diggler has some great ones he varies as does BnB and even Cody Rhodes has some clever variations, and there are hundreds more, all of which are better than the bloody spear! Even Batista often needed a Batista Bomb after his spear. I just think it's unimaginative as a finisher. A great move, just not one to finish a match with, and certainly not for your top stars.

Look at it this way, Lesnar will probably lose to it yet survived multiple FU's and curb stomps at Fastlane. I've not seen end of days I don't think.
 
prateik said:
what? You talking about the fans? I don't think its the same thing. Not even close
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Course it is. There are loads of fans out there that swap and change all the time. You're annoyed at people liking them because your opinion is that he is unbearable. As to me, are those who were sucking him off when he was in the shield who then turned on him because he became number one. As did some fans with Bryan after rabidly demanding he be number 1 for an entire year, as did some fans with Ziggler before they all went back to being their favourites again when they went back to being underdogs. Those who go along with whatever's cool at the time.
 
Firstly. I didn't say he was unbearable. I said I don't mind him.

And I don't think its the same. Shield were fantastic. Reings on his own isnt. He isn't awful. And he could, over time, become really good.. He isnt there yet.

No one likes an opinion being forced on to them. And the whole "Reings is fantastic" push seems very very forced.
 
Reigns could do with another move but his spear is pretty fecking good, much better than Edge's for instance. But he lacks that bit of personality which Edge had.

Also, the FU is a shite move. Never liked it.
 
Reigns is far from bad, I just think that he was the least talented worker of the three shield performers and I also think he isn't ready for a title run.
 
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