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Smackdown all but confirmed Daniel Bryan will be going for the IC at Mania... (sorry if anyone gives two shits about Smackdown spoilers)

Him with that title, Cena with the US... Bizarromania.
 
phelans shorts said:
If there is one show where you don't do a Dusty finish, it's Wrestlemania. Hell doing a Dusty finish on any A show is terrible.
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Stuff like this is what makes wrestling predictable. You should do whatever, whenever. Keep the fans surprised. Rules like this make it easier for us to work out who wins every match, ever.
 
paulscholes18 said:
HHH has pulled a big signing in ex TNA champion Samoa Joe, had many a great match with angle and AJ styles. Can't see him being in nxt for long, if not at all
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You say that but 2015 Samoa Joe isn't in the top 6 guys in NXT, and no one is allowed to skip NXT unless they have WWE experience.

Zarlak said:
Stuff like this is what makes wrestling predictable. You should do whatever, whenever. Keep the fans surprised. Rules like this make it easier for us to work out who wins every match, ever.
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A cheap finish at Wrestlemania is a horrendous idea. There are times to be unpredictable, a Dusty finish in the main event of Wrestlemania isn't one.

That shit is the kind of thing 2000 WCW did.
 
phelans shorts said:
A cheap finish at Wrestlemania is a horrendous idea. There are times to be unpredictable, a Dusty finish in the main event of Wrestlemania isn't one.

That shit is the kind of thing 2000 WCW did.
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It's not always cheap when it's done right. Wrestling should be unpredictable every time so that we don't know what's going to happen 6 months in advance.
 
Zarlak said:
It's not always cheap when it's done right. Wrestling should be unpredictable every time so that we don't know what's going to happen 6 months in advance.
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It is cheap. Always. It's a plot point to move a story on, which is not what you want at the biggest show of the year. It can be taken at Summerslam or the Rumble or whatever if it's building to Mania. Mania shouldn't be a building block.

As for point 2, OH SO VERY WRONG. Hogan was always beating Andre but it's the most famous moment in wrestling history. The Outsiders were always beating WCW but it's probably the biggest moment in wrestling. Donald Trump was always beating Vince but it was the biggest story in the highest selling PPV.

On the flip side the Undertaker was always beating Brock, turns out they didn't go in that direction and now every motherfecker is complaining that they made the wrong call.

Predictable =/= bad.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Smackdown all but confirmed Daniel Bryan will be going for the IC at Mania... (sorry if anyone gives two shits about Smackdown spoilers)

Him with that title, Cena with the US... Bizarromania.
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Axel vs Rusev Monday night apparently for the US title which clearly Cena will interfere in, giving Axel the title and Rusev a reason to want Cena at Mania and get beat without giving Cena a title they don't want him to have.
 
phelans shorts said:
On the flip side the Undertaker was always beating Brock, turns out they didn't go in that direction and now every motherfecker is complaining that they made the wrong call.

Predictable =/= bad.
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As far as I'm aware, Taker had never beaten Brock before last year and still hasn't?
 
I agree, WM main event should not have a shitty ending like Miz vs Cena had (which was essentially build for Cena vs Rock).
Rollins cashing in however wouldnt be bad as a cash in has never happened at WM. Reigns chasing Rollins is not bad.

Personally, one idea is to have rollins cash in next night on Raw (will get a better reaction imo and wont kill the buzz of Reigns beating Brock a year after he ended the streak).
Can then have Rollins hold the title for a few months before Reigns wins it back.
Meanwhile, I would also have Cena get his US title match against Rusev, but Rusev beats him again at WM. Then build towards Rusev vs Reigns for Summerslam. And then have Bray win MITB later this year.

Too much of what happens at WM means there are no stars actually made (too many part timers too)

Duffy said:
Axel vs Rusev Monday night apparently for the US title which clearly Cena will interfere in, giving Axel the title and Rusev a reason to want Cena at Mania and get beat without giving Cena a title they don't want him to have.
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Having Rusev lose his undefeated streak like that would be a terrible way to do it haha.
 
I think they should have a fatal four way for the womens title. Brie, Nikki, AJ and Paige. That could help with the Bella's story and we could see some amazing wrestling. Those four could put on a great show and if given more than the obligatory 15 minutes, it could help give a bit more credibility to the womens title and also the women wrestlers.

I'm not holding my breath though.
 
Duffy said:
As far as I'm aware, Taker had never beaten Brock before last year and still hasn't?
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Exactly, there was no chance Brock would beat Taker at Mania this time last year.

langster said:
I think they should have a fatal four way for the womens title. Brie, Nikki, AJ and Paige. That could help with the Bella's story and we could see some amazing wrestling. Those four could put on a great show and if given more than the obligatory 15 minutes, it could help give a bit more credibility to the womens title and also the women wrestlers.

I'm not holding my breath though.
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What Bella's story?

It's gonna be a tag match, and if they get 12 minutes of largely Paige and Nikki it'll be pretty good. The more Brie and AJ we see the worse it will be.

EDIT: as an aside, how good was NXT last night? Tyler was incredible as usual, bitter heel Emma was great and Sasha was, well, Sasha.
 
phelans shorts said:
What Bella's story?
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Exactly! they killed it. They hated each other, Nikki was a complete and utter bitch to Brie for weeks, screwed her over time and again and then had her as her PA (slave) and then it died down. They completely ruined it and didn't use the PA angle at all, aside from getting a coffee here and there they wasted the whole build of the story, then suddenly they were harmonious loving twins again. It made no sense.

I agree it will be a tag match, but personally I would like to see the title on the line at Wrestlemania, and a fatal four way would be great as there is so many convoluted stories and so much animosity between the four of them. But maybe that's just my opinion.
 
phelans shorts said:
It is cheap. Always. It's a plot point to move a story on, which is not what you want at the biggest show of the year. It can be taken at Summerslam or the Rumble or whatever if it's building to Mania. Mania shouldn't be a building block.

As for point 2, OH SO VERY WRONG. Hogan was always beating Andre but it's the most famous moment in wrestling history. The Outsiders were always beating WCW but it's probably the biggest moment in wrestling. Donald Trump was always beating Vince but it was the biggest story in the highest selling PPV.

On the flip side the Undertaker was always beating Brock, turns out they didn't go in that direction and now every motherfecker is complaining that they made the wrong call.

Predictable =/= bad.
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I really don't agree. I respect your opinion but I just can't agree.

Who cares if everyone is complaining they made the wrong call. WWE isn't about making calls that we make ourselves so we can all talk about how we made the right call. Their job is to entertain us. The entire world was entertained when Brock won. It sent shockwaves through the WWE universe and had everybody talking about it. Had Undertaker won nobody would have cared a week later. The streak had become routine and pointless. Show up once a year for a guaranteed win. It didn't matter who his opponent was, you could barely sell the match because everybody knew the result in advance. That was changed last year and hopefully it continues. Getting people talking is good not bad.

From a kayfabe point of view, the way things are right now is ridiculous. An entire roster full of people who are supposed to be the best of the best competing for prizes, only in actual fact only 4 or 5 people ever seem to care about a title and then when they lose and somebody else starts to care about the title that person suddenly doesn't care anymore and just fade away. You go from losing every match to getting a push to them winning every match and holding the title beating everyone you could never beat before until you lose it and then like someone flipped a switch you go back to losing your matches again. It makes 0 sense. Storylines are predictable, fans complain that it's predictable and the thinking you used above means we can work out PPV results 6 months in advance.

In a kayfabe world, every single superstar on that roster should be capable of competing for the WWE title. The way the storylines are done and the characters are built however that's impossible so instead we get the same 5 people rotating endlessly who all of a sudden seem to not give a shit anymore once the storyline is over until they randomly decide 6 months later they want to be WWE champion again. The belts should have more credible superstars in the running for it to create an actual sense of 'who could win it' suspense rather than us knowing the answer half a year in advance and simply watching to see how it plays out.
 
Interesting point, but very possible also. :-

"In a related note, there's a feeling that Roman Reigns could end up being cheered wildly by the smart WrestleMania 31 fans later this month during his main event match against Lesnar if Lesnar decides to leave WWE for a UFC return and word gets out before the show. A similar situation happened back at WrestleMania 20 when both Goldberg and Lesnar were nearly boo'd out of the building during their match because the fans in attendance were aware that both guys were leaving the company after the show."
 
Lesnar would still get the babyface reaction this time. One thing's for sure, Reigns isn't being cheered that night.
 
They need to make Reigns an unstoppable force from now until WM. Brock is a beast whos been on a rampage. But now hes facing a guy who got rolled up for a win. It makes no sense why they did that tbh.

It would be like doing Hogan vs Andre the Giant but Hogan losing 3 weeks before hes set to face Andre. I just dont understand the mentality behind that.
 
Sylar said:
They need to make Reigns an unstoppable force from now until WM. Brock is a beast whos been on a rampage. But now hes facing a guy who got rolled up for a win. It makes no sense why they did that tbh.

It would be like doing Hogan vs Andre the Giant but Hogan losing 3 weeks before hes set to face Andre. I just dont understand the mentality behind that.
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You might be right. On the other hand, if we have to watch a spear and superman punch close off every RAW between now and WM than I'd say a large portion of the fans would be even more sick of him. Maybe there's something to be said for keeping him as the underdog.
 
phelans shorts said:
You say that but 2015 Samoa Joe isn't in the top 6 guys in NXT, and no one is allowed to skip NXT unless they have WWE experience.
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Are the 6 guys your Ranking Joe behind

Kevin Owens
Sami Zayn
Finn Balor
Adrian Neville
Baron Corbin
Solomon Crowe

Also I never saw Sting in NXT

WWE would be better of bringing back the cruiserweight division then promote Balor, Zayne, Lucha Dragons and Crowe it would give those guys a platform to build from
 
paulscholes18 said:
Are the 6 guys your Ranking Joe behind

Kevin Owens
Sami Zayn
Finn Balor
Adrian Neville
Baron Corbin
Solomon Crowe

Also I never saw Sting in NXT

WWE would be better of bringing back the cruiserweight division then promote Balor, Zayne, Lucha Dragons and Crowe it would give those guys a platform to build from
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As much as they would be wasted and even ruined by going to the main roster right now, Zayne, Balor, Owens and Neville are some of the best wrestlers in the world right now. I have no problem watching them week-in week-out.

I also agree Joe has little place in NXT. He is almost a veteran now, whereas The others named above plus Corbin, Itami, Breeze and some of the Divas are really the future - or so I hope.
 
Tyrion said:
You might be right. On the other hand, if we have to watch a spear and superman punch close off every RAW between now and WM than I'd say a large portion of the fans would be even more sick of him. Maybe there's something to be said for keeping him as the underdog.
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Doesnt have to end Raw every night though. This coming Raw, he should just come out, destroy Big Show in like 2 minutes, then walk off or point at the WM sign or something. Week after do the same thing to Kane. Then week after is last Raw before WM, have him end the night with a face off with Brock or something and a teaser for WM.

He got pinned by a bloody roll up and they are trying to sell hes ready for Brock, lol.
In fact, a few weeks ago he lost to Big Show on Raw. So hes been pinned twice this year in one on one matches. It just doesnt make sense at all. Its like they are trying to kill him on purpose.
 
paulscholes18 said:
Are the 6 guys your Ranking Joe behind

Kevin Owens
Sami Zayn
Finn Balor
Adrian Neville
Baron Corbin
Solomon Crowe

Also I never saw Sting in NXT

WWE would be better of bringing back the cruiserweight division then promote Balor, Zayne, Lucha Dragons and Crowe it would give those guys a platform to build from
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Corbin and Crowe are nowhere near that list. Itami and Breeze are certainties for better than 2015 Joe, that's aside from questionables like Buddy Murphy, Kalisto and others.

Sting is only doing one match, but point taken.

The issue with Cruiserweights is that it instantly puts the idea of lesser guys into fans heads. They're defini better than that.
 
Sylar said:
They need to make Reigns an unstoppable force from now until WM. Brock is a beast whos been on a rampage. But now hes facing a guy who got rolled up for a win. It makes no sense why they did that tbh.

It would be like doing Hogan vs Andre the Giant but Hogan losing 3 weeks before hes set to face Andre. I just dont understand the mentality behind that.
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They are trying to make the fans sympathise with him. The absolute worst thing they can do is turn him in to super Cena 2.0.
 
Well... that is clearly working lol.

They should be making him a no nonsense badass like he was in the Shield until he fights Brock. Hes taking on the beast, so he needs to become a beast. Having him destroy Kane and Big Show within two weeks is hardly making him Cena 2.0.
Having him fight the odds and the Authority however.
 
Sylar said:
Well... that is clearly working lol.

They should be making him a no nonsense badass like he was in the Shield until he fights Brock. Hes taking on the beast, so he needs to become a beast. Having him destroy Kane and Big Show within two weeks is hardly making him Cena 2.0.
Having him fight the odds and the Authority however.
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Well yeah it is, Wrestlemania ticket sales have soared since he beat Bryan and he's consistently getting the biggest pops on the show, this week was an exception in that he only got the second biggest pop, but who can be expected to compete with #Axelmania?

He has reverted to the largely silent badass, but you can't have him completely silent unless you have someone talk for him.
 
His twitter statement basically i deny all it and to avoid WWE looking bad i am resigning or in other words oops better run while i can before the axe falls, reading between the lines lol
 
SCM said:
His twitter statement basically i deny all it and to avoid WWE looking bad i am resigning or in other words oops better run while i can before the axe falls, reading between the lines lol
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So what you're saying is this is building for #Axelmania vs #Demottcracy at Wrestlemania? I'm in!
 
phelans shorts said:
Well yeah it is, Wrestlemania ticket sales have soared since he beat Bryan and he's consistently getting the biggest pops on the show, this week was an exception in that he only got the second biggest pop, but who can be expected to compete with #Axelmania?

He has reverted to the largely silent badass, but you can't have him completely silent unless you have someone talk for him.
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Stop it. I like Reigns but .. lol. just stop.
 
Wrestlemania tickets have soared since Bray was the one that came out in the casket at Fast lane.

Hey... im only stating facts.
 
Mania ticket sales have soared since it was announced I will not be in the 30 man Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal.
 
phelans shorts said:
Well yeah it is, Wrestlemania ticket sales have soared since he beat Bryan and he's consistently getting the biggest pops on the show, this week was an exception in that he only got the second biggest pop, but who can be expected to compete with #Axelmania?

He has reverted to the largely silent badass, but you can't have him completely silent unless you have someone talk for him.
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I actually don't mind Reigns but the way you go about defending him is ridiculous. You tried to claim he wouldn't get booed, he did. Now you're trying to claim he get's the biggest pops, he doesn't.
 
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