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Did you know: Roman Reigns has only had one singles match on PPV in his entire WWE run?

Hugely worried for their match - even if they get Roman over, I can't see it being a good one at all.
 
Silva said:
This isn't how you make a new star. You build them through the mid card until they rise to the top. Roman Reigns isn't a freak of nature like Lesnar to warrant this kind of push. And his body of work is as paper thin as his wrestling talent.
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Even Lesnar won KOTR and was over with the fans before winning the belt (which he won at Summerslam I think, deffo not WM). Bryan is easily the most popular guy on the roster, let him have a top class match vs Lesnae, put the belt on him for a while, try and build reigns up in the meantime.
 
soap said:
It would be exactly like that match. There are still going to be chants for Bryan I'm sure, at least the crowd have Lesnar to cheer for now. Only little kids buy merchandise, Cena and Reigns are popular with that demographic sure, and that's the only demographic that wants to see either of them anywhere near the main event, let alone both.

Brock killed Cena even more at Summerslam, by your logic he shouldn't have wanted a rematch and should have just fecked off from the title picture. Anyway, I repeat - the streak was absolutely legendary and it was broken, you need absolutely no justification for a rematch. Its pro wrestling, it doesn't have to be hyper-realistic, the fact he got destroyed last time doesn't he can't come back stronger and win. His character is an undead zombie mortician who survived being lit on fire in a coffin ffs
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Cena shouldn't, BUT he had a rematch clause. Very explainable.

There's a difference between hyper realism and a slither of realism. A 60 year old man being destroyed one year and then defeating Brock Lesnar is beyond even a slither.

His character hasn't been that for over 20 years btw. Maybe even longer
 
Silva said:
Cena really should have fecked off from the title picture. Brock only had so many matches and they should have used them to give us new match ups.
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Eh I don't necessarily disagree, I'm no Cena fan. For him to not WANT a rematch would be dumb though.
 
Silva said:
Rollins vs Lesnar would have been as good. Or even a triple threat with a different face in it.
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Nah, half the appeal of that match was Lesnar destroying both guys - Lesnar just destryoing Rollins is nowhere near as compelling.

Also, Cena's ability to rag-doll for Brock is excellent... and his record for delivering in huge matches is pretty stellar. Not many other faces would have done as good a job AND made the match as intriguing/compelling (as ultimately, with the way Cena is booked, it's still pretty amazing to watch him get badly beaten).
 
Silva said:
We don't, but you don't seem to understand the people don't want to watch Roman Reings in the main event of Wrestlemania. He's really shit.
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You keep saying this, but there isn't really any evidence to show that a significantly large enough part of WWE's target audience don't want it besides some people on the internet signed up to wrestling forums or the occasional crowd like Philly, which already has a reputation.
 
phelans shorts said:
Ziggler is a horrific seller. He takes everything like a cartoon. Every single match is like HBK vs Hogan, which is definitely not a good thing.
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I gather you don't visit many live matches? Might look that way on telly, but Ziggler is one of the very best in crowd interaction, and selling both his and his opponent's moves. Sheamus by comparison is bland as hell.
 
Gorefest said:
I gather you don't visit many live matches? Might look that way on telly, but Ziggler is one of the very best in crowd interaction, and selling both his and his opponent's moves. Sheamus by comparison is bland as hell.
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I've been to a few live shows, and nothing takes me out of it more than overselling. It's not a cartoon, I don't need reminding how dumb this shit is.
 
Zarlak said:
You keep saying this, but there isn't really any evidence to show that a significantly large enough part of WWE's target audience don't want it besides some people on the internet signed up to wrestling forums or the occasional crowd like Philly, which already has a reputation.
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As far as Silva is concerned #HijackRAW was a major success.

Thank you Jesse *clap clap clap*
 
On another note, I'm going with some friends to the UK tour in April. Booked tickets to the Newcastle show, but there is another show in Dublin that night. Do they split the roster 50/50 in terms of name value, or will one group get Cena/Reigns etc and the other get Hornswoggle and Curtis Axel?
 
Which reminds, Curtis Axel never did get eleminated did he? That was fecking weird.
 
gormless said:
On another note, I'm going with some friends to the UK tour in April. Booked tickets to the Newcastle show, but there is another show in Dublin that night. Do they split the roster 50/50 in terms of name value, or will one group get Cena/Reigns etc and the other get Hornswoggle and Curtis Axel?
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As 50/50 as possible, although one will obviously be a bit stronger.
 
MJJ said:
wasnt @Leroy The Red arguing a few years ago that sandow losing his mitb match against cena wasnt burying him and would help improve his career?
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Have you paid attention to Sandow lately? only I swear he one of the most over guys at the moment, albeit with a comedy gimmick. He gets plenty of attention every week.
 
How come nobody says anything when Brock Lesnar no sells?
For instance during that triple threat match, Rollins smashes him over the head with a briefcase twice and he literally gets up within a second and delivers the F5, now if that was a certain other superstar doing that, there'd be all sorts of complaining, why is it okay for Lesnar to act like Superman?
 
Leroy The Red said:
How come nobody says anything when Brock Lesnar no sells?
For instance during that triple threat match, Rollins smashes him over the head with a briefcase twice and he literally gets up within a second and delivers the F5, now if that was a certain other superstar doing that, there'd be all sorts of complaining, why is it okay for Lesnar to act like Superman?
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Personally it's because Lesnar is a novelty, hasn't been stuffed down throats for past decade. If it was every week I imagine it would wear thin pretty quickly. Also, that certain other superstar does that a lot, whilst at the same time being proclaimed as the underdog, which just doesn't fit.
 
Zarlak said:
You keep saying this, but there isn't really any evidence to show that a significantly large enough part of WWE's target audience don't want it besides some people on the internet signed up to wrestling forums or the occasional crowd like Philly, which already has a reputation.
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Batista wasn't badly received leading up to last years Rumble either.
 
Silva said:
And he'll be the reason Reigns gets shat on from now on. That's hardly something they should be going with.
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Or fans should give it a rest. The WWE has a plan and will follow through with it. Plus as evidenced by their figures, the vocal ones are the minority it seems. So someone getting shat on isn't really that big a deal. It's obviously working or he wouldn't be selling so much merchandise and the network wouldn't be the fastest growing digital subscription service.

It's been known ever since the streak ended that Roman would win the Royal Rumble and beat Lesnar at WM, people should get used to it and stop acting like it wasn't always going to happen.
 
Zarlak said:
Or fans should give it a rest. The WWE has a plan and will follow through with it. Plus as evidenced by their figures, the vocal ones are the minority it seems. So someone getting shat on isn't really that big a deal. It's obviously working or he wouldn't be selling so much merchandise and the network wouldn't be the fastest growing digital subscription service.

It's been known ever since the streak ended that Roman would win the Royal Rumble and beat Lesnar at WM, people should get used to it and stop acting like it wasn't always going to happen.
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How do you know how much merchandise he's selling? Are you one of WWE's accountants?

Why should people get used to it? It's shit, and people are allowed to say as much.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Have you paid attention to Sandow lately? only I swear he one of the most over guys at the moment, albeit with a comedy gimmick. He gets plenty of attention every week.
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He had to change his whole gimmick to get over again after your boy did his career a favour by beating him. :lol:

Remind me what happened to Damien Sandow again? And don't bring out the success of mizdow as justification of that loss.
 
gormless said:
Personally it's because Lesnar is a novelty, hasn't been stuffed down throats for past decade. If it was every week I imagine it would wear thin pretty quickly. Also, that certain other superstar does that a lot, whilst at the same time being proclaimed as the underdog, which just doesn't fit.
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That's not the point.

This is about no selling and nothing else. Nobody should be bouncing up after being smashed across the head twice with a briefcase regardless of how much of a "beast" they are. Nobody should be kicking out of finishers at 1 count.
People on here are so laughably hypocritical, they expect and laud all this from Lesnar then want a cruiser-weight to face him at Wrestlemania as if its even remotely believable should that cruiser-weight beat him.

MJJ said:
He had to change his whole gimmick to get over again after your boy did his career a favour by beating him. :lol:

Remind me what happened to Damien Sandow again? And don't bring out the success of mizdow as justification of that loss.
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Sandow is guaranteed on Raw every week, given considerable air time to show off his talents, a gimmick that has done something that had previously not been done....gotten him over. That's nothing to do with Cena but he certainly hasn't been 'buried' since that defeat.
The fact is that Sandow is more relevant now than he was when he won the MITB. Wait for the pop once he turns on the Miz.
 
Sandow definitely took a dive after the money in the bank disaster.

He went from being a HWC contender to a jobber in stupid outfits and characters, that's a pretty wild swing.

Somehow though being paired with the Miz, the Mizdow thing could of bombed, but luckily the crowd took to it and it's made him relevant again. The WWE will no doubt split them up and then make them fight soon, and hopefully from there he will push on. I feel he and Cesaro will always be the "nearly" guys, and never quite make it where they should IMO.
 
Sandow was being buried long before Cena beat him. Didn't he lose like every fecking time he fought after he won the MITB? That was really shit booking.
 
akash02 said:
Sandow was being buried long before Cena beat him. Didn't he lose like every fecking time he fought after he won the MITB? That was really shit booking.
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Yeah he did actually, and after every loss he basically excused because he was the MITB it didn't matter. Not really sure why they put it on him and then made him lose. Stupid.
 
gormless said:
On another note, I'm going with some friends to the UK tour in April. Booked tickets to the Newcastle show, but there is another show in Dublin that night. Do they split the roster 50/50 in terms of name value, or will one group get Cena/Reigns etc and the other get Hornswoggle and Curtis Axel?
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They usually try and split them fairly equally between shows based on running feuds, unless one of the two shows is a recording. Most of the time they will take the Raw feuds to one show and the Smackdown feuds to the other, so currently the split would probably be something like Cena/authority (Rollins etc)/Reigns/Rusev on one end, Ambrose/Wyatt/Bryan/Barrett on the other. You usually find that you're actually better off in the show with more mid-carders as you get better matches.
 
Leroy The Red said:
That's not the point.

This is about no selling and nothing else. Nobody should be bouncing up after being smashed across the head twice with a briefcase regardless of how much of a "beast" they are. Nobody should be kicking out of finishers at 1 count.
People on here are so laughably hypocritical, they expect and laud all this from Lesnar then want a cruiser-weight to face him at Wrestlemania as if its even remotely believable should that cruiser-weight beat him.



Sandow is guaranteed on Raw every week, given considerable air time to show off his talents, a gimmick that has done something that had previously not been done....gotten him over. That's nothing to do with Cena but he certainly hasn't been 'buried' since that defeat.
The fact is that Sandow is more relevant now than he was when he won the MITB. Wait for the pop once he turns on the Miz.
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None of which has anything to do with his booking immediately after cena. Him losing the match to a one armed cena was a joke but twice were arguing the strong performance in defeat will aid his career.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't get Bray Wyatt? I find him boring as hell.

At least Undertaker and the ministry used to have an actual goal. Wyatt seems to just spout loads of jargon about sisters and buzzards with no real meaning. I'm left thinking "okay... so what's he mad about?"

It was never really explained why he went after Bryan, Cena or Ambrose. He just seems to like attacking people for no given reason.
 
Brays weird. I understood why he went after Cena and Bryan. Bryan he tried to recruit (and did) and with Cena he basically called him a false prophet to his fans / kids.
Ambrose because he saw himself? Dunno. Think his loss to Cena killed his momentum a lot.

If Reigns had faced Cena at WM (and somebody like Bryan or Ziggler won the rumble) the crowd would have taken to Reigns, especially if it meant a win against Cena.
Think fans would accept him more not getting the main event this year but instead being built.

Given the promos, theres a huuuge difference between the disney scripted stuff vs the realistic stuff he does. He should be allowed more freedom to talk like a human than a cartoon character.

Sandow is over now inspite his loss to Cena not because of it. In fact, its only because he took a dud gimmick and made people care about him. Says more about his talent than how hes been booked.
 
Brays momentum was killed by his forced feud with Chris Jericho not by anything else.

They didn't know where to go with him after Cena so just threw him with Jericho, feuds with Jericho unfortunately no longer carry any weight due to him being a shadow of his former self.
 
Silva said:
I'm still willing to bet £50 that he gets shat on by most crowds leading to Mania if you're that confident. Loser gives money to Cancer Research.
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Aside from the fact that I can't really afford a spare £50 to give away right now, being shat on by crowds who want to see Daniel Bryan doesn't really mean that the majority of people don't want to see Reigns at Wrestlemania. Not to mention he already still gets pops still on a weekly basis. He got 'shat on' once, at the Rumble, by the Philly crowd who already have a reputation.
 
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