Just watched that, was very good. This is why, as bad as things are I won't be cancelling the network, there's some brilliant stuff to watch on there (Hardy/Edge rivalries episode is also fantastic).Even showing his face in HD is bad enough. Kids will be having nightmares for months.
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I've been watching the Monday night war documentaries, love them, even if they do repeat same things over and over again
The original content is great. WWE should have more stuff like this style on their TV mixed in.
Rumored WM 31 card, according to Meltzer
ofc, this means
- Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns
- Triple H vs. Sting
- Bray Wyatt vs. The Undertaker
- Rusev vs. John Cena
- Randy Orton vs. Seth Rollins
- Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler
- Battle Royal
- Divas Match
- Tag Title Match
ofc, this means
NO AMBROSE!! I hope he wins the battle Royal then
turning ziggler heel as he's getting the biggest reactions of his career would be weird
Could be a face/face feud, although I doubt they would be intelligent enough to book it. When was the last time something like that happened ? Maybe a tournament for the IC title/Number one contender and their match at mania is the final
And.. edit from the last page
Rumored WM 31 card, according to Meltzer
- Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns
- Triple H vs. Sting
- Bray Wyatt vs. The Undertaker
- Rusev vs. John Cena
- Randy Orton vs. Seth Rollins
- Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler
- Battle Royal
- Divas Match
- Tag Title Match
ofc, this means
NO AMBROSE!! I hope he wins the battle Royal then
Cena/Rock was last face/face feud but they were both faces to different sections of the market whereas Bryan/Ziggler are both IWC faces. They managed to work heel/heel with Shield/Wyatts very well and they tore the house down a year ago. Last actual face/face feud may have been Christian/Orton which resulted in Christians turn. I also imagine Punk and Cena at some point during the title run
Meltzer also gave the triple threat 4.75 stars (same as Neville/Zayn). The Rumble only got 1.75 stars.
Re: Reigns vs Lesnar, JR and Stone Cold kinda have the same idea and that would be to do the double turn where Heyman betrays Brock and helps Reigns to win. That could be a fail safe plan in case they arent able to get the crowd behind Reigns in the next 6 weeks.
I honestly dont think Taker should show up this year, what is going to be the angle? He got beat last year but hes not going after Lesnar? Doesnt make sense. I would rather have them tie Lesnar down for another year, have him win the WWE title and Taker would make a grand return for WM32 in his home state to beat Lesnar to retire as champion.
As for Daniel Bryan I seriously hope hes facing Ziggler rather than Sheamus. At least those 2 can have a great show stealing performance together.
I honestly dont think Taker should show up this year, what is going to be the angle? He got beat last year but hes not going after Lesnar? Doesnt make sense. I would rather have them tie Lesnar down for another year, have him win the WWE title and Taker would make a grand return for WM32 in his home state to beat Lesnar to retire as champion.
As for Daniel Bryan I seriously hope hes facing Ziggler rather than Sheamus. At least those 2 can have a great show stealing performance together.
Strong card, despite Reigns not being many people's favourite choice for the main event that card will deliver a great PPV.
at paragraph one. Why would you align Paul Heyman with your next face of the company?
at paragraph two. Retire with the belt? Take away all of the shine of being the one who beat the one in twenty one and one? Absolutely awful. As for 3, Sheamus is a MUCH better wrestler than Dolph Ziggler. Sheamus and Bryan would produce a match better than Ziggler could dream of having.
As for 3, Sheamus is a MUCH better wrestler than Dolph Ziggler. Sheamus and Bryan would produce a match better than Ziggler could dream of having.
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Because the face of the company got his ass booed out of the building. Phily could indeed be an anomaly so if he does get cheered and the kids buy the merch then no problem. What I said is incase he keeps on getting booed until WM. Would not look good if you supposed babyface is trashed at what is supposed to be the biggest moment of his career. 2: It was just an idea, dont think it makes sense for Taker to return now in any case unless hes facing Brock and thats not going to happen. Once of the biggest superstars of all time retiring, it could be a nice way to honor him. What would you do with him?
3:
No, just no.wasnt @Leroy The Red arguing a few years ago that sandow losing his mitb match against cena wasnt burying him and would help improve his career?
Yeah I enjoyed Austin's podcast. Aligning Reigns with Heyman solves both the problem of Reigns being shit on the mic, and the fact that everyone is going to boo the shit out of him anyway. I don't think it'll happen, Vince has been stubborn thus far. I always got the impression Austin was holding back when talking about Reigns, did so fad less this time. In a way it's a shame is Ziggler and Bryan end up in a match together that's been randomly thrown together because they both deserve a lot more. They will be low down the card and not able to put on as good a show as they're capable of, will probably still be the best match even so!
I don't get it? That's still completely accurate…
1:
It doesn't, but that isn't what people will remember in a years time.
Taker was beaten fair and square in a terrible match against the most entertaining wrestler in the company. Why would they have a rematch?
3:
Dude it's not even close. Sheamus is wayyyyyyyy better.
EDIT: in fact if you can name one aspect that Dolph is better than Sheamus at I'd be amazed.
Sheamus and Bryan had a great 2/3 falls match a few years back. Could be great given time but again I also think Bryan v Ziggler could be a fantastic opener.
tbf, Reigns was getting booed regardless of how they swung it. "If Reigns wins, we riot" was there, it was blatant, Philly IS a smarky crowd, it just wasn't going to happen with Reigns there. Or for that most places, but he would of got some minor love in some areas.
Making it shitty was WWE's way of getting huge attention from their "trolling" of the fanbase, which they have succeeded at, since they've made plenty of headlines which had say Orton won from a surprise return wouldn't have gotten. Or Bryan. Both would of got obvious more praise from their actual fans though.
Reigns has the potential to be a good WWE big, not the face of the company. He simply doesn't have the charisma, that comes naturally.....Hogan, Michaels, Austin, Rock, Cena all had it naturally. Brock and Bret didn't, but clearly have other aspects that Reigns also cannot get(being the ability to do five star matches + freak of nature appeal with Brock). So that covers every face of the company.
@phelans shorts
You think they wouldn't be booing if he was fighting Cena?! People are pissed off about Reigns facing Lesnar, the monster heel that's been getting huge cheers from the crowd. And you'd rather have two faces who half the crowd hates against each other. You really can't be scoffing at other peoples ideas, man! As for "why would taker get a rematch", I think having a 21 match unbeaten streak up until the point he lost is more than enough justification. The match sucked because he wrestled most of it barely knowing where he was, as mentioned before.
You think they wouldn't be booing if he was fighting Cena?! People are pissed off about Reigns facing Lesnar, the monster heel that's been getting huge cheers from the crowd. And you'd rather have two faces who half the crowd hates against each other. You really can't be scoffing at other peoples ideas, man! As for "why would taker get a rematch", I think having a 21 match unbeaten streak up until the point he lost is more than enough justification. The match sucked because he wrestled most of it barely knowing where he was, as mentioned before.
That's debatable, there are some moments that really stick with people you cant be fully sure that this wont be one of them.
If Taker is not coming back then theres no issue but if he is how do you fit him into the picture?
Selling/taking bumps is one aspect he is clearly superior to Sheamus. Ziggler is a far better grappler as well.
Ziggler is indescribably better than Sheamus at imitating the effects of standing on a landmine every single time someone breathes on him.
Reings Lesnar's gonna so much worse than the streak match was as well. The Streak match at least had some suspense and a hell of a shocking moment.
I'm talking about AT Wrestlemania. Who gives a shit about a Royal Rumble crowd? AT Wrestlemania Reigns would get cheered over Cena.
Undertaker can't exactly come out and say "I was screwed". He was destroyed. It was the story of the match. Why would he want or be given a rematch? The match was always going to be terrible.
It won't. I can be fully sure since it's all but forgotten already.
He's facing Bray Wyatt.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it like 2 months back.
Ziggler is a horrific seller. He takes everything like a cartoon. Every single match is like HBK vs Hogan, which is definitely not a good thing.
It had no suspense, Undertaker was always winning.
Oh wait…
No one was complaining at Zayn vs Neville, which Zayn was always winning. There was not one shock and it was the best match WWE put out last year.
Zayn vs. Neville wasn't supposed to be the biggest match of the year.
I wouldnt be too sure about anything when it comes to wrestling. IF this thing doesnt blow over I could easily see at least half the crowd at WM booing him if not the entire crowd.
Would rather he doesnt come back than face Bray it does nothing for either of them imo, still could be an ok match.
I like Ziggler's selling so we disagree. Superior wrestler to Sheamus imo.
@phelans shorts
How do you figure Reigns would get cheered? It would be Lesnar vs Goldberg either again, vast sections of the crowd would heckle and jeer both wrestlers. "This is Bullshit", " We Want Bryan" etc etc from start to finish. People would be absolutely livid with a main event of Cena vs Reigns, two wrestlers who aren't well likes despite being pushed as babyfaces.
Why does Taker need to have been screwed? The streak was absolutely legendary and it was broken, you need absolutely no justification for a rematch. Its pro wrestling, it doesn't have to be hyper-realistic, the fact he got destroyed last time doesn't he can't come back stronger and win. His character is an undead zombie mortician who survived being lit on fire in a coffin ffs. Hell, HHH and HBK got rematches against Undertaker, there would be absolutely no problem with him getting one at Brock assuming he's physically capable. And how was the match always going to be terrible? His match with Punk was the best on the card, cos, ya know, no concussion in the opening stages of the match. Lesnar or Sting are the only two opponents i wouldn't mind seeing undertaker return to fight.
How do you figure Reigns would get cheered? It would be Lesnar vs Goldberg either again, vast sections of the crowd would heckle and jeer both wrestlers. "This is Bullshit", " We Want Bryan" etc etc from start to finish. People would be absolutely livid with a main event of Cena vs Reigns, two wrestlers who aren't well likes despite being pushed as babyfaces.
Why does Taker need to have been screwed? The streak was absolutely legendary and it was broken, you need absolutely no justification for a rematch. Its pro wrestling, it doesn't have to be hyper-realistic, the fact he got destroyed last time doesn't he can't come back stronger and win. His character is an undead zombie mortician who survived being lit on fire in a coffin ffs
. Hell, HHH and HBK got rematches against Undertaker, there would be absolutely no problem with him getting one at Brock assuming he's physically capable. And how was the match always going to be terrible? His match with Punk was the best on the card, cos, ya know, no concussion in the opening stages of the match. Lesnar or Sting are the only two opponents i wouldn't mind seeing undertaker return to fight.It would be nothing at all like that match.
Both are actually very well liked. Merch sales and ticket sales show this.
Why does Taker need to have been screwed? The streak was absolutely legendary and it was broken, you need absolutely no justification for a rematch. Its pro wrestling, it doesn't have to be hyper-realistic, the fact he got destroyed last time doesn't he can't come back stronger and win. His character is an undead zombie mortician who survived being lit on fire in a coffin ffs
Those matches were portrayed as being close, it's reasonable to give a rematch. It's not reasonable after a demolition job.
The match was always going to be terrible because Undertaker couldn't put up with Brock's physicality. Lo and behold he gets concussed after one bump. He's not physically capable of matching up to Brock.
You people seem to think I A) think Roman Reigns is the greatest ever or B) want Undertaker to come back. Why the feck do you think that?
We don't, but you don't seem to understand the people don't want to watch Roman Reings in the main event of Wrestlemania. He's really shit.
Can't see the undertaker coming back to face bray wyatt. If he's got one last match I highly doubt he'd want it with anyone other than a top top star.
Yet there's been no better suggestions. What a surprise.
You clearly know nothing of his temperament then. He's more than happy to help make new stars.
Bryan Vs Lesnar would be match of the year. And everyone wants to see it.
What?
But who does it make?
Daniel Bryan will gain nothing from being the one to beat the one in twenty one and one.
It's an opportunity to make a new star. Bryan was made last year, it's be a waste to give him this.
This isn't how you make a new star. You build them through the mid card until they rise to the top. Roman Reigns isn't a freak of nature like Lesnar to warrant this kind of push. And his body of work is as paper thin as his wrestling talent.
he must have changed over the years
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Not this one. It has Cholera.
It would be exactly like that match. There are still going to be chants for Bryan I'm sure, at least the crowd have Lesnar to cheer for now. Only little kids buy merchandise, Cena and Reigns are popular with that demographic sure, and that's the only demographic that wants to see either of them anywhere near the main event, let alone both.
Brock killed Cena even more at Summerslam, by your logic he shouldn't have wanted a rematch and should have just fecked off from the title picture. Anyway, I repeat - the streak was absolutely legendary and it was broken, you need absolutely no justification for a rematch. Its pro wrestling, it doesn't have to be hyper-realistic, the fact he got destroyed last time doesn't he can't come back stronger and win. His character is an undead zombie mortician who survived being lit on fire in a coffin ffs
Cena really should have fecked off from the title picture. Brock only had so many matches and they should have used them to give us new match ups.