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Kylar Stern said:
Does he though? For the last 6 months at least all I have seen are fans calling him out for poor promo work and sub standard ring work. The character he is portraying (being asked to portray) is so far removed from what he was when with the Shield (when he was getting legitimate pops, and not being applauded simply because he wasn't Batista or Cena) that it's hurting his image overall. You even mock Reigns promo skills yourself in your post for fecks sake!

The money aspect is very interesting, as I'm sure you are referring to merchandise sales? 17,000 people at the rumble last night, maybe 3/4 would have bought shirts/foam hands and the like, and a small percentage of that would have been Reigns merch. Even if the full 17k had all bought everything available that was Cena/Reigns branded, that's the one purchase those fans will make for the foreseeable future - how many shirts a year do they really buy? On the other hand, WWE are targeting 1m subscriptions for the network, which is £9.99 per MONTH from every fan that signs up. Yet the fans most likely to subscribe (the internet fans) are basically being given the foam middle finger and told that what they want isn't important.

If anything, their focus on these stars in the face of their new business model is short sighted to say the least - a few bad decisions last night and there is a swell of bad feeling, and large sections of the fanbase cancelling their subscriptions according to news reports everywhere and a flood of angry twitter posts/screenshots, the sub cancellation page crashing, and general bad feeling everywhere.

Historically, yes, you are right and Cena was/is a huge money maker. In the new age of 'fan power' (I feel dirty saying that) and the companies dependence on the very fans they are currently ignoring, this will actually lose them money no doubt.
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Yes. Watch any episode of Raw and as soon as his music hits there's a pop. Hell there even was last night before the crowd realised that it's cooler to boo him.

When it comes to merch sales no one comes close to Reigns or Cena. The Network number they need is always reducing and I can guarantee that 99% of those cancelling will be back on the Network within a fortnight, can't be missing Generico vs Steen and
Devitt vs PAC
now can they :rolleyes:.

This is all a storm in a teacup. Raw will come from Stanford tonight (I think that's where it is anyway) and Roman will get a nice cheer, and everyone will be signing back up to the Network. It'd the short termism, we want Daniel Bryan on top waah waah waah we'll cry until we get it. It's quite frankly pathetic.

Look at the name of the thread, the NXT thread. Do you know what the two things people like most about NXT is? That it's only an hour (a very fair point) and long term booking. Yet now we're being told that the WWE should fold to a whim and only think in the short term. New Japan get even more praise than NXT and they work with long term angles too, but no, Daniel Bryan HAS to win the Rumble.

Give me a break.
 
KM said:
It's not only that Reigns won it, it's also the way how the likes of Bryan, Ambrose and Ziggler were eliminated. All three of the biggest baby faces in WWE right now were eliminated very cheaply.
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This, it was seriously like a "feck you, you'll like who we tell you to like".

In trying to ignore how bad the rumble was and concentrate on how Rollins was made a fecking superstar last night.
 
Rooney1987 said:
The crowd gives up on guys just as fast as wwe does. I feel sorry for Reigns he's one for the future no way did he deserve those boos. But I do think WWE could booked it better, Bryan going out so early, Ziggler getting almost no time, Ambrose and Bray's flat exits.
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All of that was by design. Bryan going out early was intended to give the crowd the chance to come back into it but they decided to get all pathetic about it. Ambrose and Bray going out like that was to add a feeling that Show and Kane couldn't be stopped and were inevitably going to bring it home for the Authority.
 
phelans shorts said:
Yes. Watch any episode of Raw and as soon as his music hits there's a pop. Hell there even was last night before the crowd realised that it's cooler to boo him.

When it comes to merch sales no one comes close to Reigns or Cena. The Network number they need is always reducing and I can guarantee that 99% of those cancelling will be back on the Network within a fortnight, can't be missing Generico vs Steen and
Devitt vs PAC
now can they :rolleyes:.

This is all a storm in a teacup. Raw will come from Stanford tonight (I think that's where it is anyway) and Roman will get a nice cheer, and everyone will be signing back up to the Network. It'd the short termism, we want Daniel Bryan on top waah waah waah we'll cry until we get it. It's quite frankly pathetic.

Look at the name of the thread, the NXT thread. Do you know what the two things people like most about NXT is? That it's only an hour (a very fair point) and long term booking. Yet now we're being told that the WWE should fold to a whim and only think in the short term. New Japan get even more praise than NXT and they work with long term angles too, but no, Daniel Bryan HAS to win the Rumble.

Give me a break.
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Exactly, it's a bandwagon thing, wrestling fans do this all the time, they'll get over it quickly as they always do.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Here's a list of the last 15 WWE Champions, in bold guys who can be described as "big muscle guys".

Brock Lesnar
John Cena
Daniel Bryan
Randy Orton
The Rock
CM Punk
Alberto Del Rio
Rey Mysterio
The Miz
Sheamus
Batista
Edge
Jeff Hardy
RVD
JBL
Eddie Guerrero

So yeah one of the classic WWE/Vinny Mac myths that only big guys get a push, I don't remember the likes of Ryback, Lashley, Chris Masters or Big E Langston holding the title.
People just complain to complain, latch onto some crap that someone spouted and then try and spread it as gospel.
CM Punk was champion for about twenty years, Eddie Guerrero had a good reign and probably would have won it again had he not died. The Miz, Mysterio and Edge all had fairly long reigns, Edge is like a ten time champion no?
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Good point with the list cant argue that but remember how hard Masters/Ryback/Lashley were pushed? They were being shoved down everyone's throat but people didnt buy it. The reason people bitch and moan is that they arent happy with whomever is getting pushed which in turn forces Vince to go back to Cena. When it comes to deciding who to push Vince has a type thats what it looks like to me everyone who gets over has to go through way more shit than if the machine is behind them.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Here's a list of the last 15 WWE Champions, in bold guys who can be described as "big muscle guys".

Brock Lesnar
John Cena
Daniel Bryan
Randy Orton
The Rock
CM Punk
Alberto Del Rio
Rey Mysterio
The Miz
Sheamus
Batista
Edge
Jeff Hardy
RVD
JBL
Eddie Guerrero

So yeah one of the classic WWE/Vinny Mac myths that only big guys get a push, I don't remember the likes of Ryback, Lashley, Chris Masters or Big E Langston holding the title.
People just complain to complain, latch onto some crap that someone spouted and then try and spread it as gospel.
CM Punk was champion for about twenty years, Eddie Guerrero had a good reign and probably would have won it again had he not died. The Miz, Mysterio and Edge all had fairly long reigns, Edge is like a ten time champion no?
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It's not the fact that people complain to complain, I imagine it's more the fact that people are getting bored with the same old predictable stuff. You pretty much know the result of the Mania main even months before it takes place. Unless they throw a swerve and add someone else in, it's pretty much a given that Reigns is going to win in. Maybe Rollins will cash in right away, but again would that be any less predictable? Further along the line (a couple of months maybe?) you just know that the title will again go to Cena or Orton. It seems like WWE is intent on having Cena beat Flairs record of title reigns, and it also seems like Cena is going to be around for quite a while yet.

I think most people want something different. I personally think they made a mistake unifying the titles. It did seem there was a wider variety of stars winning the World Heavyweight Championship such as Booker T, Khali, Christian, Ziggler, Swagger, Mysterio, Kane, Henry. Most of them wouldn't even get a sniff at the WWE Title, or if they did, they'd win the title then the following night on Raw they'd be stripped of it.
 
Another sign that the company is out of touch will be if Bubba sticks around and they continue with his table-obsessed Dudley gimmick as opposed to his awesome Bully gimmick. I cringed a bit when I saw him in the camo gear and glasses last night - could be another massive waste if they don't heel him up immediately.
 
Brownie85 said:
It's not the fact that people complain to complain, I imagine it's more the fact that people are getting bored with the same old predictable stuff. You pretty much know the result of the Mania main even months before it takes place. Unless they throw a swerve and add someone else in, it's pretty much a given that Reigns is going to win in. Maybe Rollins will cash in right away, but again would that be any less predictable? Further along the line (a couple of months maybe?) you just know that the title will again go to Cena or Orton. It seems like WWE is intent on having Cena beat Flairs record of title reigns, and it also seems like Cena is going to be around for quite a while yet.

I think most people want something different. I personally think they made a mistake unifying the titles. It did seem there was a wider variety of stars winning the World Heavyweight Championship such as Booker T, Khali, Christian, Ziggler, Swagger, Mysterio, Kane, Henry. Most of them wouldn't even get a sniff at the WWE Title, or if they did, they'd win the title then the following night on Raw they'd be stripped of it.
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For me it's not always the predictability, I don't mind knowing the end game if what precedes it is fun and entertaining, but every move they seem to make is the wrong one and they are pushing the wrong people. It makes no sense.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Mark Henry and Khali were world champs?

FML
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Yeah, Henry was champion for 91 days and Khali 61 days.

You just couldn't ever see that happening with the WWE Title, which is why i think it was definitely a mistake to get rid of the WHC. Sure they're not great wrestlers, but it was good to see that more stars were getting a chance, even if the WHC was deemed inferior

Duffy said:
For me it's not always the predictability, I don't mind knowing the end game if what precedes it is fun and entertaining, but every move they seem to make is the wrong one and they are pushing the wrong people. It makes no sense.
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I completely agree. Sometimes it's great knowing what will happen and can sometimes sway peoples decisions to watch or not, but lately it seems like everything is predictable and stale. It's not just the storylines that are boring at times though, the in-ring work can be crap too. Thats what scares me about stars moving up to Raw/Smackdown from NXT. You just know that as soon as they get promoted, their moveset will be changed dramatically, in a bad way
 
phelans shorts said:
Yes. Watch any episode of Raw and as soon as his music hits there's a pop. Hell there even was last night before the crowd realised that it's cooler to boo him.

When it comes to merch sales no one comes close to Reigns or Cena. The Network number they need is always reducing and I can guarantee that 99% of those cancelling will be back on the Network within a fortnight, can't be missing Generico vs Steen and
Devitt vs PAC
now can they :rolleyes:.

This is all a storm in a teacup. Raw will come from Stanford tonight (I think that's where it is anyway) and Roman will get a nice cheer, and everyone will be signing back up to the Network. It'd the short termism, we want Daniel Bryan on top waah waah waah we'll cry until we get it. It's quite frankly pathetic.

Look at the name of the thread, the NXT thread. Do you know what the two things people like most about NXT is? That it's only an hour (a very fair point) and long term booking. Yet now we're being told that the WWE should fold to a whim and only think in the short term. New Japan get even more praise than NXT and they work with long term angles too, but no, Daniel Bryan HAS to win the Rumble.

Give me a break.
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The face/heel dynamic dictates that Reigns will get a pop whenever he comes out on Raw; he's facing people the crowd have been conditioned to jeer. That's hardly an indication of anything - more accurate is when he comes up against an established face such as last night in the Rumble, and from that point the fans are taking a collective shit on him. Even the rub of having the Rock hold his hand up at the end did nothing to improve his reception. These are the same fans that are buying the merch BTW.

Yes, this IS the NXT thread. I came here to discuss the Rumble, but the WWE thread was nowhere to be seen and the discussion was already here. I do agree that NXT is being received better than the main product currently, but as you say that's because it's more streamlined, with a focus on wrestling and with better built characters. Then you look at Raw and it's an hour of promo and replays for every half an hour of wrestling, and it's obvious where the struggle to built legitimate main event stars originates.

Did I say Bryan had to win the Rumble? Pretty sure I said the opposite in my post. The problem was Reigns was always going to win it despite the flaws in his game, and the inevitable backlash when it happened, and they pushed on with it anyway. In front of the worst crowd they could have picked, in a very poor overbooked manner, with the legitimate fan favorites being pushed down in the process.

Bryan would have brought the house down, but then so would Ziggler, Ambrose, Rollins looking for a way to get into the WM main event despite his loss in the Title match earlier, a returning Randy Orton, or even an unexpected up and comer from NXT. I have to again note that they could have even pulled off a Reigns win had they built him properly in the last few months, or given another favourite a more prominent role to at least address some of the sentiment - Bryan as the Iron man, or someone like Ziggler being the last remaining entrant and putting on a show with Reigns and making him look good before falling - yet what we got was Rusev under the ring, and two wrestlers in Show and Kane that shouldn't have been anywhere near the final few.

Just a poor show all around really, and I expect this story going to run and run, and not for the good of the WWE.
 
Hamadovich86 said:
Good point with the list cant argue that but remember how hard Masters/Ryback/Lashley were pushed? They were being shoved down everyone's throat but people didnt buy it. The reason people bitch and moan is that they arent happy with whomever is getting pushed which in turn forces Vince to go back to Cena. When it comes to deciding who to push Vince has a type thats what it looks like to me everyone who gets over has to go through way more shit than if the machine is behind them.
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Why is it every time someone is pushed whom someone doesn't like its being 'shoved down the throat', it's such an overused and flawed term.
Lashley and Masters didn't get even close to the title, Del Rio won the title fairly quickly as did the Miz, those two weren't big guys, let me ask you, were they 'shoved down our throats' too?
Out of all the smaller guys who've ever been pushed the only person who was pushed solely down to fan reaction was Daniel Bryan, all the rest were heading for pushes or had already been pushed and that should be remembered.

Brownie85 said:
It's not the fact that people complain to complain, I imagine it's more the fact that people are getting bored with the same old predictable stuff. You pretty much know the result of the Mania main even months before it takes place. Unless they throw a swerve and add someone else in, it's pretty much a given that Reigns is going to win in. Maybe Rollins will cash in right away, but again would that be any less predictable? Further along the line (a couple of months maybe?) you just know that the title will again go to Cena or Orton. It seems like WWE is intent on having Cena beat Flairs record of title reigns, and it also seems like Cena is going to be around for quite a while yet.

I think most people want something different. I personally think they made a mistake unifying the titles. It did seem there was a wider variety of stars winning the World Heavyweight Championship such as Booker T, Khali, Christian, Ziggler, Swagger, Mysterio, Kane, Henry. Most of them wouldn't even get a sniff at the WWE Title, or if they did, they'd win the title then the following night on Raw they'd be stripped of it.
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Another stupid argument, ' internet wrestling fans who regularly visits wrestling internet websites complains about events being predictable.
Here's a tip, don't go on wrestling websites and you won't then know future main events and pushes.
People get something different all the time as that title reign list I put up showed, people just want it their own way all the time and when they can't have it they cry about it.

Yeah and when the WWE put the title on those wrestlers, nobody gave a shit, not the kids, not the women and not the IWC. Well apart from Mysterio (who was well over for a while) but I seem to remember him being booed at Wrestlemania 22 for no apparent reason when he first won the title.
 
Mark Henry was a good WHC. He's not fantastic in the ring, but he's actually quite good on the mic when given the chance to be, and he does well in that monster heel role. I'd much rather he be the guy that's being used in place of Kane/Big Show.



Also he did that. Acting.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Why is it every time someone is pushed whom someone doesn't like its being 'shoved down the throat', it's such an overused and flawed term.
Lashley and Masters didn't get even close to the title, Del Rio won the title fairly quickly as did the Miz, those two weren't big guys, let me ask you, were they 'shoved down our throats' too?
Out of all the smaller guys who've ever been pushed the only person who was pushed solely down to fan reaction was Daniel Bryan, all the rest were heading for pushes or had already been pushed and that should be remembered.



Another stupid argument, ' internet wrestling fans who regularly visits wrestling internet websites complains about events being predictable.
Here's a tip, don't go on wrestling websites and you won't then know future main events and pushes.
People get something different all the time as that title reign list I put up showed, people just want it their own way all the time and when they can't have it they cry about it.

Yeah and when the WWE put the title on those wrestlers, nobody gave a shit, not the kids, not the women and not the IWC. Well apart from Mysterio (who was well over for a while) but I seem to remember him being booed at Wrestlemania 22 for no apparent reason when he first won the title.
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I don't think Miz or Del Rio were forced though, they just happened at a time where nobody was massively popular - maybe only punk at that time should have been in their spots. I think peoples issues come from Vinces "we listen to our fanbase" comment which is utter bullshit. If they did they would know that people want Wyatt, Ambrose, Ziggler, Rollins and most of all Bryan in that spot ahead of Reigns. It's not that people dislike Reigns, it's that people feel they are being taken the piss out of with the creative direction of the main roster.

If you're cheering for someone constantly and they keep getting treated like Ziggler did last night (lifted up by his fecking pants and tossed over by two people who were most relevant 15 years ago) then you're going to continually feel like you're being fecked over and eventually people will stop bothering
 
gormless said:
:lol: you know that only happened after fans revolted and Punk walked out. Bryan apparently admitted the plan pre-Punkgate was to face Sheamus
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Dont let facts get in the way of a good story though.
phelans shorts said:
That is just hilariously wrong. Roman gets bigger pops than anyone not named Daniel Bryan. Don't let last night fool you.

EDIT: it's also worth noting that the two people making WWE most money right now (by a LONG way) are... Drum rolls please… John Cena and Roman Reigns. BELEE ***.
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Roman does not get bigger pops than Ziggler. Yesterday is not a one off. Raw and the edited SDs are proof of that. His support has been waning since returning.
We shall see what happens on Raw this week.
Leroy The Red said:
The section that basically tries to write the WWE's scripts for them. They know who deserves a push and who doesn't and if the person they like doesn''t get pushed, they'll aggressively type into their keyboards and complain online...... or when there's a Wrestling event on the East Coast.
I don't think WWE should concern themselves with a few hundred fans throwing a strop because Daniel Bryan didn't win the Rumble, and again as I said, it's a 15 minute thing. The Reigns heat will eventually turn into pantomime like it is with Cena.
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Erm no. They should be concerned with people turning on their live shows and people cancelling their subscriptions. The WWE Network cancellation page went down because so many people were trying to access it :lol:

A few hundred fans hahahaah. Ok yeah sure. A 15 minute thing that has been happening for years rofl.

People whine and moan for new people to be pushed and the WWE is doing that with Reigns but it's a problem because he can't do fancy submission moves.
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Why are you making stuff up to suit your argument? It makes no sense. Who said people are unhappy with Reigns because he cant do fancy submission moves?


Reigns has been in the WWE pretty much the exact same time as Ambrose and Rollins yet I don't think this same section of people would have complained had either of them two received a mega push. Reigns might not have received Bryan levels of acclaim but he's still liked by a reasonable size of the audience.
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Probably because the other two have been in wrestling for longer and are better at having matches and cutting promos.

It's all just hilariously childish and actually makes wrestling fans look very bad. Internet wrestling fans have always been a bunch of melodramatic spazzes and this further confirms it. Let them take a cool down for a bit and they'll return with some other shit to cry about in a few months, like why Cesaro isn't getting a push (maybe because he's a fecking obnoxious knob, If you're going to be one of those, at least wait till you've got to the top first)
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Why do people still making the claim? Internet wrestling fans? Every damn wrestling fan has the internet know and most voice their opinion on social network / forums. This isnt the 90s where only a small portion used the internet.
Your points are invalid because they dont make sense right now.

Stop making excuses, the fact is when Punk and Bryan were Champions, they got significant more air time and there was no noticeable rise in viewership.
My point isn't that either of them aren't still liked, it's that it did nothing for ratings. Do you not find the fact people still chant CM Punks name as a supposed act of defiance as completely stupid considering the terms of his departure?
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You do realise getting more air time doesnt mean you are being used / booked correctly right? Bryan was losing for the majority of 2013 and the beginning of 2014 until WM. And he had one match against Kane. Kane!! as champion.
Yes Bryans one month as champion didnt see a rise so lets never use him as main event again. OK ;) gotcha pal.
And Punk as champion only main evented when he turned heel to lose to the Rock. When he was champion Cena was still main event. You do realise this right?

Being on TV does not mean you are being used right / getting pushed. Look at Zack Ryder. They killed his momentum to get Eve and John cena over. Yes he got more TV time but he was getting crushed by Kane every week and embarrassed by Eve. lol.

WWE fecked up yesterday. Its quite clear. The backlash isnt just people on internet forums / social media.
Its also WWE fans in attendance and people cancelling subscriptions (which has been worse than they thought it would be)
I do find it funny, because its not bandwagon or anything else. This is 2015 where technology is at a level its never been before and people have more of a voice than theyve ever had and will use it to express their displeasure.

Having Bryan return to lose like he is is bonkers and bad oversight.

Lets be honest, everybody talks about the attitude era but that would not have happened had WCW not been kicking their arse for weeks. WWE had to change. Now the dominance they have is bad for their overall product because they dont give a shit.
 
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What is the best thing WWE could realistically do now?

IMO it would be Rock laying out Lesnar, Rollins cashing in. WM = Lesnar vs Rock and Rollins vs Reigns. Two much better matches imo.
 
Ok so, a few points of my own after last night :-

  1. Predictably persevering super-hero character is a necessity in a PG product. Whilst we often lament the constant presence of John Cena and Roman Reigns being shoved down our throats, there is a business element to why these people are pushed (seemingly undeservedly) above others whom garner more vocal support during shows. I think back to when I was a kid and Hulk Hogan was universally adored by everyone my age. What I didn't know was that those whom were older saw the flaws in Hogan that most see in Cena and Reigns today, however, does it not make sense that child-based popularity is the defining factor in business decisions regarding people being pushed as face of the company? Afterall, a show that is PG ultimately will derive much of it's income from a younger audience. The attitude era fan wants a different company face than a child fan, however, the product market determines what kind of character ought to be pushed. In no way am I saying I want Cena and Reigns to be the top two, I'm simply stating that, for lack of a better word, it's best for business.

  2. Bryan's early elimination removed unpredictability of Rumble. The booking for Daniel Bryan in this rumble was confusing to say the least. Whilst I don't necessarily think he should have won the Rumble so soon after coming back, I do think that they should have made better use of him to delay the inevitability of Reigns winning the Rumble. As soon as Bryan went out, the deflation of the crowd signalled not only displeasure at a major star being short-changed, but also that the result of the show was inevitable from that point onwards. At no point was it believable that Ziggler or Ambrose would win the thing. Only Bryan's presence represented possibility that Reigns could lose. To compound things, the final three of Kane, Show and Reigns (before realising Rusev was still in it) left no fan in the audience with any suspense that Reigns would not win it. What should have happened was that the final four ought to have been Bryan, Reigns, Show and Rusev. Bryan would eliminate Rusev; Reigns would eliminate Show. Reigns would overcome Bryan...... yes, Reigns would have been boo'd anyway but at least Bryan is there until the very end and the result of the Rumble would have been tense until the final elimination.
 
Any predictions for what the WM main card will be now ??

Lesnar v Reigns
Triple H v Sting
Bryan v Wyatt
Cena v Rusev
Orton v Rollins
 
Leroy The Red said:
Why is it every time someone is pushed whom someone doesn't like its being 'shoved down the throat', it's such an overused and flawed term.
Lashley and Masters didn't get even close to the title, Del Rio won the title fairly quickly as did the Miz, those two weren't big guys, let me ask you, were they 'shoved down our throats' too?
Out of all the smaller guys who've ever been pushed the only person who was pushed solely down to fan reaction was Daniel Bryan, all the rest were heading for pushes or had already been pushed and that should be remembered.



Another stupid argument, ' internet wrestling fans who regularly visits wrestling internet websites complains about events being predictable.
Here's a tip, don't go on wrestling websites and you won't then know future main events and pushes.
People get something different all the time as that title reign list I put up showed, people just want it their own way all the time and when they can't have it they cry about it.

Yeah and when the WWE put the title on those wrestlers, nobody gave a shit, not the kids, not the women and not the IWC. Well apart from Mysterio (who was well over for a while) but I seem to remember him being booed at Wrestlemania 22 for no apparent reason when he first won the title.
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Fair enough, your argument is sound. I guess this stems from my personal frustration with the product.
 
I'm still gutted at how quickly the quality dropped. I was buzzing after the title match and then Bubba Ray.
 
Probably the worst Rumble match I can remember in a long time.

Entire show saved by what was an incredible triple threat match, those three should take a bow.
 
phelans shorts said:
Yes. Watch any episode of Raw and as soon as his music hits there's a pop. Hell there even was last night before the crowd realised that it's cooler to boo him.

When it comes to merch sales no one comes close to Reigns or Cena. The Network number they need is always reducing and I can guarantee that 99% of those cancelling will be back on the Network within a fortnight, can't be missing Generico vs Steen and
Devitt vs PAC
now can they :rolleyes:.

This is all a storm in a teacup. Raw will come from Stanford tonight (I think that's where it is anyway) and Roman will get a nice cheer, and everyone will be signing back up to the Network. It'd the short termism, we want Daniel Bryan on top waah waah waah we'll cry until we get it. It's quite frankly pathetic.

Look at the name of the thread, the NXT thread. Do you know what the two things people like most about NXT is? That it's only an hour (a very fair point) and long term booking. Yet now we're being told that the WWE should fold to a whim and only think in the short term. New Japan get even more praise than NXT and they work with long term angles too, but no, Daniel Bryan HAS to win the Rumble.

Give me a break.
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I'd bet real money on it right now that Reigns will not walk into that arena tonight and get cheered. No joke, I'll happily have a wager with you if you're crazy enough to think that's going to happen. They've rinsed and repeated exactly what they did last year. I actually don't mind Reigns and think some of the shit he get's is pretty unwarranted, but I'd honestly be shocked to see him walk out tonight to a 'nice' cheer.

We'll see what their plan is though.
 
NXT isn't reason enough for people to re-subscribe to the Network, @phelans shorts. For one thing, any fan acquainted with Generico and Steen will be knowledgeable enough to know that there are numerous websites that stream all WWE shows, PPV's and NXT shows within hours of finishing. Why would they re-subscribe on the basis of something they can attain for no price? the network rises and falls based on archival content interest.
 
This thread should be a celebration of good wrestling, so it needs to be the NXT thread.

I would also accept the NJPW thread.
 
Watching it again, basically the crowd collectively threw their toys out after Bryan went out.

In hindsight, they should have had Bryan eliminated a lot later than he was to prevent people from getting their knickers in a twist. And besides, Bryan vs Lesnar just does not compute. It's hard to even imagine it.
 
akash02 said:
Watching it again, basically the crowd collectively threw their toys out after Bryan went out.

In hindsight, they should have had Bryan eliminated a lot later than he was to prevent people from getting their knickers in a twist. And besides, Bryan vs Lesnar just does not compute. It's hard to even imagine it.
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On reflection, they could have had Reigns in with any one of Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose etc. as the final two, had them shake hands in the centre of the ring (two faces), let them put on a decent 10-15 minute bout where Reigns gradually took control before eliminating the opponent for the win, and had them celebrate together afterwards.

It would have legitimised Reigns as the 'better' wrestler and kept the fans on side because one of their 'favorites' was involved to the end, whilst still achieving the same goal.

To be fair, anything would have been better than the finish though >_>
 
Shittiest end to the Royal Rumble....ever. If Reigns was getting booed leading up to the Royal Rumble then you could blame the WWE for shit booking but he had been good reactions throughout. The shit CM Punk chanting crowd takes the blame
 
Thankfully, hopefully, WWE have Steen, Balor, Itami, Zayn, Neville and co on the horizon. Some serious talent to work with and I hope they can make it work. For me, personally, Zayn is gold. He's the kind of performer that puts on fantastic matches, has innovative offence and has a character that is practically impossible to not get behind.
 
Sylar said:
No smartest is not having Reigns win it and kill whatever chance they had to build him as the top face for the company. Reigns instead should have not won the rumble but instead faced Cena and beaten Cena at WM whilst Brock loses to Bryan.

Smart is not pissing of the majority of your fans when you are struggling for Network subscriptions, PPV buys and ratings.
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Having a already made star beat the man who defected the streak would've been an insult to The Undertaker. That is why I'm glad they are building a star in Roman Reigns (the only one left who Cena hasn't buried)
 
Without watching or knowing what was going on, perhaps they should have had Reigns eliminating Bryan in the final 2
 
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