Brock has got better since then, I can see why Bryan vs Lesnar appeals to many but to me it doesn't. In truth neither does Reigns vs Lesnar but they have backed themselves in a corner now making Brock this unstoppable machine that sweeps all before him with no one on the rooster matching him.
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Brock has got better since then, I can see why Bryan vs Lesnar appeals to many but to me it doesn't. In truth neither does Reigns vs Lesnar but they have backed themselves in a corner now making Brock this unstoppable machine that sweeps all before him with no one on the rooster matching him.
Sting.
He'd have made a impact more than Rock.
He'd have made a impact more than Rock.
There was no point Orton returning unless he was winning it.
If Orton were to return it would to go after Rollins.
So Bray vs Taker, Sting vs Triple H, Cena vs Rusev and Orton vs Rollins. Wonder who is left for Bryan. I bet it's Big show.
Nobody has to match him for strength or power. Just to outsmart him. Brock vs Bryan would have been a fantastic WM main event which could have probably outdone todays match as MOTY.
Besides nobody is unstoppable. This is scripted after all. They can easily book somebody to take him down and make it believable. Tame the beast and take the winner to the next level.
Reigns doesnt have the backing right now nor the mic ability to get the crowd behind him. Its going to be a helluva lot of work for WWE
Besides nobody is unstoppable. This is scripted after all. They can easily book somebody to take him down and make it believable. Tame the beast and take the winner to the next level.
Reigns doesnt have the backing right now nor the mic ability to get the crowd behind him. Its going to be a helluva lot of work for WWE
Sheamus. rofl.
They basically set him up to be like Batista. And Batista at his peak was very over, but he had no business being in the main event last year. Just like Reigns and yet WWE let it happen again. They saw the crowd responses.
Majority of the crowd will cheer for Lesnar.
As with everything in life, The Simpsons can sum it all up...
Looking at Wrestlemania...
Reigns/Lesnar.
Cena/Rusev.
Triple H/Sting
Bryan/?????? (Orton? No idea.)
Looking at Wrestlemania...
Reigns/Lesnar.
Cena/Rusev.
Triple H/Sting
Bryan/?????? (Orton? No idea.)
According to Tommy Dreamer, Cancelwwenetwork is trending on twitter. That's not a good sign on how this PPV is being received by the general public.
Funnily enough I was going to buy the network to check out this PPV later today. Hearing the title match was excellent.
Funnily enough I was going to buy the network to check out this PPV later today. Hearing the title match was excellent.
Yeah it's the top trend world wide I believe. Not sure how many people are actually acting upon the threat though.
I don't get it. Why did Reigns get booed?
Because people are viewing him as the next cena and didnt want him to win as oppose to d.bryan.
I think they should have reigns win the title and then have rollins cash in the briefcase immediately.
I have nothing against Roman and I dont think the Philly crowd really had it for him rather than just being livid about how and when Daniel Bryan was eliminated. I dont mind Bryan not winning it even though it makes perfect sense but the way Roman is being shoved down our throats is unbearable. I can almost hear Cole at the end of WM "DA ROMAN UMPIRE HAS RISEN!!". Going to be a very boring/predictable mania it seems.
No the Philly did have it in for Roman, but WWE knew there was absolutely nothing they could do to get away from the second year of horrendousness if they insisted on Reigns winning, which well they did. So they did a troll job of a rumble to try and put a spin on it on top of the forced Reigns win.
Philly is a big wrestling town, and has it in for Reigns because quite frankly, he simply hasn't earned it. At all.
Philly is a big wrestling town, and has it in for Reigns because quite frankly, he simply hasn't earned it. At all.
Well, that's fecking stupid if you ask me. Not that I'm big on Reigns either.
Why's it stupid. There used to be a time when you EARNED the right to win the Rumble. Now you don't, it's like that new starter at work taking the promotion you've worked extremely hard for within 3 weeks of starting.
DBry earned it, the comeback from injury win isn't an excuse either consedering they've rewarded most who were injured while still on top getting back to full fitness with the Rumble win in the past(HHH, Austin, Cena, Edge....)
They took a gamble on Batista last year, which was fair enough given he had made it in Hollywood, and it backfired slightly predictably, but they had an obvious fall back plan to win the audience back. This was and is lose lose lose all round, even the most creative genius couldn't save this one in great fashion.
DBry earned it, the comeback from injury win isn't an excuse either consedering they've rewarded most who were injured while still on top getting back to full fitness with the Rumble win in the past(HHH, Austin, Cena, Edge....)
They took a gamble on Batista last year, which was fair enough given he had made it in Hollywood, and it backfired slightly predictably, but they had an obvious fall back plan to win the audience back. This was and is lose lose lose all round, even the most creative genius couldn't save this one in great fashion.
Because I dont watch apart from the odd time I have no idea why that result means anything good or bad. But I looked on wiki to see if there was any funny entrys.
The Boogeyman must have been kind of funny? But importantly. Bubba Ray Dudley is back. (or is he not cool anymore)
The Boogeyman must have been kind of funny? But importantly. Bubba Ray Dudley is back. (or is he not cool anymore)
I can't believe they'd be so stupid. Again.
My head is still boggled. They have no idea what they're doing.
"THEY NEED TO MAKE NEW STARS!!!"
"NO NOT THAT GUY"
SMDH. People are so predictable.
"NO NOT THAT GUY"
SMDH. People are so predictable.
They do need to make new stars, but they need to stop forcing people on the fans.
They did it with Cena and now the guy is pretty much hated aside from Women and Children. Problem with WWE is they have a certain look in mind for their stars, and most of the time, if you don't fit that look, no matter how over you are with the crowd, you aint getting anywhere. Theres a few exceptions to that in the past, but they're few and far between
Exactly. Reigns has a certain look / size that Vince loves. Right now he doesnt have the promo skills (or a manager to cover it up) and hasnt shown he can carry a main event yet. His one good one on one match was with Orton before his injury.
WWE have a problem now. Fans have more of a voice now than they have ever done.
CancelWWENetwork trending worldwide along with the Cancellation page crashing as so many people are trying to cancel the Network subscription (no committment remember) puts them in a bad situation. They keep claiming best for business but are not listening to their fans (vocal hardcore ones are the ones that attend PPVs afterall).
WM and Raw after WM is going to be something interesting as it stands.
WWE have a problem now. Fans have more of a voice now than they have ever done.
CancelWWENetwork trending worldwide along with the Cancellation page crashing as so many people are trying to cancel the Network subscription (no committment remember) puts them in a bad situation. They keep claiming best for business but are not listening to their fans (vocal hardcore ones are the ones that attend PPVs afterall).
WM and Raw after WM is going to be something interesting as it stands.
To be fair, you don't make a new star by forcing someone into winning positions despite their obvious flaws, you do it by developing them over time and giving them a proper build.
I'm not an avid WWE follower by any means, and haven't been since about 2001 or so. I do dip my toes in every now and then to see how the current product is though.
My observation is that Reigns clearly isn't ready for this - he's poor on the mic, he's poor to middling (which is being generous!) in the ring, and is seemingly being pushed based entirely on his look and his heritage, which is never a good idea from where I sit.
From what I have seen, he's currently the least talented member that came out of the Shield, and has made the least connection with the fans. Added to that, there are members of the roster that are far more over than he could hope to be at this stage - Bryan, Orton, Ambrose, Rollins, Ziggler to name just a few.
What throws me is that their business model now revolves around internet subscriptions, and last night almost seemed as if Vince/The WWE went out of their way to annoy and discourage their internet fanbase, at least judging by the reaction I have seen.
Reigns is clearly being moulded into the next John Cena, which as another poster mentioned is the darling of women and children everywhere. Newsflash for the bookers - the women and children aren't the ones stumping up £9.99 a month for the subscriptions.
The decisions are so out of line with what people want it's unbelievable.
Ahh yes, the infamous bodybuilder stuff. Inevitable that came up.
you know that only happened after fans revolted and Punk walked out. Bryan apparently admitted the plan pre-Punkgate was to face SheamusThat is just hilariously wrong. Roman gets bigger pops than anyone not named Daniel Bryan. Don't let last night fool you.
EDIT: it's also worth noting that the two people making WWE most money right now (by a LONG way) are... Drum rolls please… John Cena and Roman Reigns. BELEE ***.
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The section that basically tries to write the WWE's scripts for them. They know who deserves a push and who doesn't and if the person they like doesn''t get pushed, they'll aggressively type into their keyboards and complain online...... or when there's a Wrestling event on the East Coast.
I don't think WWE should concern themselves with a few hundred fans throwing a strop because Daniel Bryan didn't win the Rumble, and again as I said, it's a 15 minute thing. The Reigns heat will eventually turn into pantomime like it is with Cena.
People whine and moan for new people to be pushed and the WWE is doing that with Reigns but it's a problem because he can't do fancy submission moves.
Reigns has been in the WWE pretty much the exact same time as Ambrose and Rollins yet I don't think this same section of people would have complained had either of them two received a mega push. Reigns might not have received Bryan levels of acclaim but he's still liked by a reasonable size of the audience.
It's all just hilariously childish and actually makes wrestling fans look very bad. Internet wrestling fans have always been a bunch of melodramatic spazzes and this further confirms it. Let them take a cool down for a bit and they'll return with some other shit to cry about in a few months, like why Cesaro isn't getting a push (maybe because he's a fecking obnoxious knob, If you're going to be one of those, at least wait till you've got to the top first)
Stop making excuses, the fact is when Punk and Bryan were Champions, they got significant more air time and there was no noticeable rise in viewership.
My point isn't that either of them aren't still liked, it's that it did nothing for ratings. Do you not find the fact people still chant CM Punks name as a supposed act of defiance as completely stupid considering the terms of his departure?
That was the plan before Punk quit. Not getting his Triple H match as Bryan now was, was a significant straw on the camels back.
Ahh yes, the problem with Cena is that he doesn't make the WWE enough money
Those are some astute observations for someone who just "dips his toes in" now and then.
I still find Bryan's elimination bizarre. Imagine someone like Austin being eliminated like that at the height of his popularity? They wouldn't dare do it.
I just don't get why he couldn't have lasted till the end with the likes of Rusev and Reigns. Big Show and Kane being in there at the end was pathetic, and solely an excuse to get The Rock involved.
I just don't get why he couldn't have lasted till the end with the likes of Rusev and Reigns. Big Show and Kane being in there at the end was pathetic, and solely an excuse to get The Rock involved.
Ahh yes, the infamous bodybuilder stuff. Inevitable that came up.
Vince definitely loves guys with a certain look, Bryan, HBK and Bret Hart are some exceptions but generally McMahon always preferred bigger guys. In the past at least Vince could tell that someone is really over with the fans and that doesnt seem to be the case now at all.
Ahh yes, the infamous bodybuilder stuff. Inevitable that came up.
You must have missed the part where i said there are exceptions to this, but they're few and far between. Plus as people have said, they only did that to satisfy the fans. They way he was booked post WM shows they had no real intention of keeping him as champion. If Bryan hadn't have been injured, i bet his reign would have ended rather quickly.
Eddie Gurrero, Edge, Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy, Miz and Punk too. These guys who don't really have 'the look' do get chances, but they're usually short reigns and the title will usually end up going back to someone like Cena, Orton or back in the day Triple H
It's pathetic and borderline disrespectful in my opinion. Watching it again I am just baffled how they came up with that.
Very debatable.
Bigger than any of them was Austin who didn't fit the aesthetic, even moreso as a bald and not particularly attractive guy. Wanna know what seperates all of these guys from Daniel Bryan? They carry themselves like stars. Daniel Bryan comes across as a dweeb and nothing more. That's not a top guy.
Even Sami Zayn, who's character is very similar to Daniel Bryan, carries himself an infinite amount better.
Bryan was holding until Summerslam. That's quite a long run.
They want the new John Cena, they already have him, in Daniel Bryan. I don't understand this, why don't they have Reigns/Rusev feud ?
Here's a list of the last 15 WWE Champions, in bold guys who can be described as "big muscle guys".
Brock Lesnar
John Cena
Daniel Bryan
Randy Orton
The Rock
CM Punk
Alberto Del Rio
Rey Mysterio
The Miz
Sheamus
Batista
Edge
Jeff Hardy
RVD
JBL
Eddie Guerrero
So yeah one of the classic WWE/Vinny Mac myths that only big guys get a push, I don't remember the likes of Ryback, Lashley, Chris Masters or Big E Langston holding the title.
People just complain to complain, latch onto some crap that someone spouted and then try and spread it as gospel.
CM Punk was champion for about twenty years, Eddie Guerrero had a good reign and probably would have won it again had he not died. The Miz, Mysterio and Edge all had fairly long reigns, Edge is like a ten time champion no?
I'd classify Orton as a "muscle guy" personally.
Does he though? For the last 6 months at least all I have seen are fans calling him out for poor promo work and sub standard ring work. The character he is portraying (being asked to portray) is so far removed from what he was when with the Shield (when he was getting legitimate pops, and not being applauded simply because he wasn't Batista or Cena) that it's hurting his image overall. You even mock Reigns promo skills yourself in your post for fecks sake!
The money aspect is very interesting, as I'm sure you are referring to merchandise sales? 17,000 people at the rumble last night, maybe 3/4 would have bought shirts/foam hands and the like, and a small percentage of that would have been Reigns merch. Even if the full 17k had all bought everything available that was Cena/Reigns branded, that's the one purchase those fans will make for the foreseeable future - how many shirts a year do they really buy? On the other hand, WWE are targeting 1m subscriptions for the network, which is £9.99 per MONTH from every fan that signs up. Yet the fans most likely to subscribe (the internet fans) are basically being given the foam middle finger and told that what they want isn't important.
If anything, their focus on these stars in the face of their new business model is short sighted to say the least - a few bad decisions last night and there is a swell of bad feeling, and large sections of the fanbase cancelling their subscriptions according to news reports everywhere and a flood of angry twitter posts/screenshots, the sub cancellation page crashing, and general bad feeling everywhere.
Historically, yes, you are right and Cena was/is a huge money maker. In the new age of 'fan power' (I feel dirty saying that) and the companies dependence on the very fans they are currently ignoring, this will actually lose them money no doubt.
If someone whose interaction with the WWE is limited to a very small number of Raw episodes per year, along with a couple of PPVs can see the obvious flaws in the product they are pushing, how do you think the regular watchers feel? If you're in any doubt, have a look around today. People are pissed, and rightly so IMO.
The booking there has been shocking for years, and the one good story arc they lucked on in that time only came about because of a huge fan backlash to what they were trying to sell.
I'm in no way saying any one wrestler should have won the Rumble last night, but it was obvious in the build up that the WWE had one winner in mind, and it was clear as day the majority of the fans did not agree with their sentiment. The funny thing is, had some of the fan favorites been given a bigger role in the match they would have probably gotten away with having Reigns win. However, to reduce the fan favorites to bit parts and weak runs, and still have the obvious winner take the victory was a step too far, even for them.
It's not only that Reigns won it, it's also the way how the likes of Bryan, Ambrose and Ziggler were eliminated. All three of the biggest baby faces in WWE right now were eliminated very cheaply.
The crowd gives up on guys just as fast as wwe does. I feel sorry for Reigns he's one for the future no way did he deserve those boos. But I do think WWE could booked it better, Bryan going out so early, Ziggler getting almost no time, Ambrose and Bray's flat exits.