Television Tho Prop Grops Throps

Right now it feels like everything is written just for the next PPV and only a few things have long term planning behind them.

This. The bookings look totally random.

- Cena, Mark Henry/Big Show vs The Wyatts - Is it a rekindled Cena/Bray feud?
- Cena, Reigns, Jericho against Orton, Rollins, Kane - Is it a anti-Authority title feud?
- Jericho is feuding with Bray and Mark Henry/Big Show with the rest of Wyatt family? Reigns now faces Orton and Kane/Rollins?

Seems like a free for all!

Wyatts getting the short end of the booking stick which is a shame. All 3 of them seserve better.
 
This. The bookings look totally random.

- Cena, Mark Henry/Big Show vs The Wyatts - Is it a rekindled Cena/Bray feud?
- Cena, Reigns, Jericho against Orton, Rollins, Kane - Is it a anti-Authority title feud?
- Jericho is feuding with Bray and Mark Henry/Big Show with the rest of Wyatt family? Reigns now faces Orton and Kane/Rollins?

Seems like a free for all!

Wyatts getting the short end of the booking stick which is a shame. All 3 of them seserve better.
The problem is that WWE is struggling right now so they are scrambling to find anything that will spike the ratings.

They're slipping to 3 and below ratings for RAW. WWE hasn't seen those numbers since Monday Night wars.

It probably explains why they aren't committing to any long term story lines and yet the only way out is to have some complex stories going and not rehashing the Cena rematch v. Lesnar.

Last night's show was a snooze fest. I stopped watching as soon as they went to the 3 v 3 tag team match because it was so predictable and boring.

If WWE is smart they need to get back to the attitude era shenanigans because they were getting high 5 and low 6 rating shares for RAW during that time period.

The PG schtick doesn't work for long term success. We're going through the late 80's and early 90's again where WWE is putting out a fluff product that no one cares about and there isn't any competition that is strong enough to push WWE. If TNA could be acquired by someone with deep pockets and a desire to crush the WWE we could see another Monday Night War
 
I'm losing my patience with the product. Just fast forward most of raw these days because there is just nothing keeping me there. Ambrose being away for a while is making it less watchable too. Apparently the scripts for raw keep getting changed last minute too. Ratings will keep on dropping if the show doesn't improve.
 
I'm losing my patience with the product. Just fast forward most of raw these days because there is just nothing keeping me there. Ambrose being away for a while is making it less watchable too. Apparently the scripts for raw keep getting changed last minute too. Ratings will keep on dropping if the show doesn't improve.

Its awful isnt it? I made a real attempt to get back into it recently and have now totally lost interest again

Its such an inferior product to what it once was.

I read this thread a lot. I think @phelans shorts has a similar relationship with WWE that Weaste has with Sony. He refuses to see any wrong in the product and continually makes excuses
 
It's like as soon as the ratings drop they think putting Cena back in the main event picture will improve them. It doesn't. Lesnar is a draw, but he's never on tv. There's no mid card rivalries, and most of the matches are just repeats from previous weeks. If anything becoming the US, or Intercontinental champ these days means there is nothing else for you at the moment. Look what happened to Cesaro this year already, was looking to be huge after the Mania battle royal and was being booked strongly on the road to mania, now he's losing matches on main event to Adam Rose. They need to stop treating their viewers like idiots. I heard some guy got kicked out the arena the other night for holding a sign up which mentioned wcw nitro for 9.99 a month. Pretty shocking.
 
It's like as soon as the ratings drop they think putting Cena back in the main event picture will improve them. It doesn't. Lesnar is a draw, but he's never on tv. There's no mid card rivalries, and most of the matches are just repeats from previous weeks. If anything becoming the US, or Intercontinental champ these days means there is nothing else for you at the moment. Look what happened to Cesaro this year already, was looking to be huge after the Mania battle royal and was being booked strongly on the road to mania, now he's losing matches on main event to Adam Rose. They need to stop treating their viewers like idiots. I heard some guy got kicked out the arena the other night for holding a sign up which mentioned wcw nitro for 9.99 a month. Pretty shocking.
There was more to that according to other sources. He was acting the prick all night.
 
Good to see that they're serious about improving the product.
The Total Divas segment. I actually don't mind Total Divas, but the constant need to plug it through RAW is annoying.
 
Could WWE realistically cut TV all together and move to the WWE network only?.

That way they wouldn't have to worry about PG ratings and bending over backwards for TV, they could put out a show they want.
 
Could WWE realistically cut TV all together and move to the WWE network only?.

That way they wouldn't have to worry about PG ratings and bending over backwards for TV, they could put out a show they want.

And how do you expect them to grow and appeal to casual fans if they are not on TV?
 
Could WWE realistically cut TV all together and move to the WWE network only?.

That way they wouldn't have to worry about PG ratings and bending over backwards for TV, they could put out a show they want.
They could put out whatever kind of show they wanted right now. They don't actually have to be PG.
 
They are fecked from next week anyway, NFL is back which means that their main target demographic will be watching another channel on mondays
 
If WWE is smart they need to get back to the attitude era shenanigans because they were getting high 5 and low 6 rating shares for RAW during that time period.

The PG schtick doesn't work for long term success. We're going through the late 80's and early 90's again where WWE is putting out a fluff product that no one cares about and there isn't any competition that is strong enough to push WWE. If TNA could be acquired by someone with deep pockets and a desire to crush the WWE we could see another Monday Night War

Ever heard the saying "the flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long"?

The Attitude era was a very bright flame, but my god that wasn't sustainable. It was also pretty trash when you watch back.

I watched an episode of Nitro a few weeks ago that have me a migraine trying to work out what the feck was going on.

Its awful isnt it? I made a real attempt to get back into it recently and have now totally lost interest again

Its such an inferior product to what it once was.

I read this thread a lot. I think @phelans shorts has a similar relationship with WWE that Weaste has with Sony. He refuses to see any wrong in the product and continually makes excuses

I see ALOT wrong. Don't get me mistaken. WWE isn't even the main promotion I watch at this point.

Fact is this golden period everyone remembers wasn't what it is made out to be. Two minute match. Run in. DQ. Brawl to the back. Backstage interview. Out to the ring. Two minute match. Run in. DQ. Brawl to the back.

That is not a good show. Add in that the sexual shock tactics they used no longer working (who gives a shit about horrendous bra and panties matches now that everyone has access to the internet on their phone where they can watch whatever they want?) and any attempt to put out that kind of product now would instantly collapse.

The use of weapons back then has also been largely cut, which is a great thing for everybody, especially the talents. If they tried going back to that style in 2014 it would cause people to turn off in their droves, quite rightly. Just look at the collapse in TNA's viewing figures over the last year or so for proof.

Could WWE realistically cut TV all together and move to the WWE network only?.

That way they wouldn't have to worry about PG ratings and bending over backwards for TV, they could put out a show they want.

You might not like to hear this, but they are putting out the show that they want.
 
Being PG is a financial decision, I'm guessing. If blood, tits and ass paid like it did in the Attitude days, WWE would probably embrace but being squeaky clean, or at least trying to be, opens them up to more commercial opportunities (Be A Star, Susan G. Komen) plus more worthy celebrities would be willing to get involved with the product.

Edit: What Phelan said.
 
Fair enough, makes sense. I just assumed they were being held back in certain ways, but I suppose it is their decision overall.
 
That is not a good show. Add in that the sexual shock tactics they used no longer working (who gives a shit about horrendous bra and panties matches now that everyone has access to the internet on their phone where they can watch whatever they want?) and any attempt to put out that kind of product now would instantly collapse.

The use of weapons back then has also been largely cut, which is a great thing for everybody, especially the talents. If they tried going back to that style in 2014 it would cause people to turn off in their droves, quite rightly. Just look at the collapse in TNA's viewing figures over the last year or so for proof.

I was just watching DX repeats the other day and in these times it would be considered cringeworthy. HBK, HHH and Chyna had a blast but that product will never sell now.

They should capitalisze on the popularity of MMA. It has its own niche following and they need to leverage on that to put in a more 'realistic' product out there. People like Lesnar because he brings intensity to the arena, similar to Rollins, Ambrose (and maybe the latest version of Cena). Reigns has to work on it. THey need people like Bray, Jericho and maybe Henry/Big Show to get things serious.

Sheamus/Cesaro is getting old and Rusev/Swagger just does not cut it.
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Bring back the hardcore championship and 24/7 rule, I say! Awesome times those.
 
As it stands the WWE is in a heap of trouble because the ratings continue to drop they aren't hitting the subscription numbers for the WWE network they need to be profitable.

So while the attitude era may not be sustainable, the current format isn't working either.

As for TNA it's worse than WCW pre-Bischoff so they could do just about anything and no one would care unless they up the talent.
 
As it stands the WWE is in a heap of trouble because the ratings continue to drop they aren't hitting the subscription numbers for the WWE network they need to be profitable.

So while the attitude era may not be sustainable, the current format isn't working either.

As for TNA it's worse than WCW pre-Bischoff so they could do just about anything and no one would care unless they up the talent.

The Network numbers at the moment are US only. To suggest that's comparable to the worldwide number is idiotic at best. It was ALWAYS expected to lose money for the first three years or so anyway.

TNA has a fantastically talented roster. That's beyond question.
 
I was just watching DX repeats the other day and in these times it would be considered cringeworthy. HBK, HHH and Chyna had a blast but that product will never sell now.

They should capitalisze on the popularity of MMA. It has its own niche following and they need to leverage on that to put in a more 'realistic' product out there. People like Lesnar because he brings intensity to the arena, similar to Rollins, Ambrose (and maybe the latest version of Cena). Reigns has to work on it. THey need people like Bray, Jericho and maybe Henry/Big Show to get things serious.

Sheamus/Cesaro is getting old and Rusev/Swagger just does not cut it.
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Bring back the hardcore championship and 24/7 rule, I say! Awesome times those.

You seem to have high standards, the general consensus is that this stuff is all great and some of the better stuff we've seen.
 
I don't think the Attitude Era is a good one if imported today, but the "Smackdown Six" era would be a good plan for the current crop of wrestlers. You could recreate it with the "Six" being the former Shield and a few of the more promising younger talents - maybe chuck in a bit of experience (Bryan, Orton, etc.) to make up for the relative experience of the former Six - and then you can keep the Cena-Lesnar/Bellas/Authority feuds as "sideshow" novelties.
 
The Network numbers at the moment are US only. To suggest that's comparable to the worldwide number is idiotic at best. It was ALWAYS expected to lose money for the first three years or so anyway.

TNA has a fantastically talented roster. That's beyond question.

They expected 1m US subscribers though, a number that they arent even close to achieving.
 
The 1m target was by the end of 2014.....which clearly included worldwide subs, given they knew they'd open it up for many other countries by then, otherwise they would of said something like 1m subs by the end of summer(a time they would of known it'd still be US-exclusive). Apparently got a fair few new subs for Summerslam, but didn't they make it so you can do one month payments for that?

I still don't get how they are still getting moderate numbers for PPV buys though, insane.
 
The Network numbers at the moment are US only. To suggest that's comparable to the worldwide number is idiotic at best. It was ALWAYS expected to lose money for the first three years or so anyway.

TNA has a fantastically talented roster. That's beyond question.

The US number is a big driver. As for the network the numbers aren't where the management projected and they aren't even close. So while it may end up making money, they essentially killed the stock price which given Mr. McMahon's heavy investment, is a dangerous proposition.

The WWE has some serious financial issues whether they are willing to admit it or not. Given that the options for entertainment are continually expanding I can see the ratings continuing to decrease domestically barring some radical shift in the company dynamics.

Just because WWE is the monolith of wrestling with little to no challenge doesn't mean they can kick back because they are losing viewership to other forms of entertainment whether it is other TV choices/video games or whatnot.
 
The rumour mill spins new stories. Cena to beat Lesnar (with Rollins interfering) and then MitB cashed in for Seth to take the title.

I like it. Adds more intrigue with Reigns, Cena (and part time Lesnar) trying to get hold of it. Fuels the anti-Authority feud too.
 
The rumour mill spins new stories. Cena to beat Lesnar (with Rollins interfering) and then MitB cashed in for Seth to take the title.

I like it. Adds more intrigue with Reigns, Cena (and part time Lesnar) trying to get hold of it. Fuels the anti-Authority feud too.
Cena v the authority. How exciting