What on earth would Stone Cold do with it. Come back for one match end the streak then go away again? What a waste.
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Wasted on Lesnar alright, the only prime/old guard wrestler I could imagined it being was Kane, but still wouldn't have wanted that to happen.
Imagine if they'd have given it to Cesaro, or someone like that, would have been the making of them.
Imagine if they'd have given it to Cesaro, or someone like that, would have been the making of them.
thats it Zarlak, there is no one around currently who can carry the tag of ending the streak.
They couldn't give it to Cena simply because it'd make him a heel instantly. As if that would ever happen
Punk turned into a bitch and took his ball home, he had the chance last year but I don't think he was worthy of it personally.
Bryan - Hell no!
Rock - less than a part timer now, I think he has one more match in him, probably at next years Mania...against...You guessed it.. Cena! Thrice in a life time
Trips - lost 3 times already, be stupid to give it to him
Orton - another hell no
So, that leaves Lesnar really.
They couldn't give it to Cena simply because it'd make him a heel instantly. As if that would ever happen
Punk turned into a bitch and took his ball home, he had the chance last year but I don't think he was worthy of it personally.
Bryan - Hell no!
Rock - less than a part timer now, I think he has one more match in him, probably at next years Mania...against...You guessed it.. Cena! Thrice in a life time
Trips - lost 3 times already, be stupid to give it to him
Orton - another hell no
So, that leaves Lesnar really.
The problem with them giving it to Cesaro / Wyatt / Reigns etc..or some other up and coming talent is that it would put immense pressure on them from the get go. The streak was the biggest thing in wrestling pretty much the last ten years at least, I know people who couldn't give a flying feck about wrestling, yet they could tell you a fair bit about the streak, it even meant something to the casual fan even.
While you say it could be the making of them, there was / is still always that huge worry it could be the breaking of them also.
For example if they gave it to Cesaro, could he really have the immense pressure on him? The crowds hounding him and then the pressure of being a legit huge star both to hardcore fans and the more casual fan... basically the company would have to build their future around him going forward.
Personally as much as I like Cesaro /Wyatt/ Reigns its a massive ask of young talent to carry something as big as the guy who ending the streak.
Those people also wouldn't deserve it.
I didn't want the streak to end at all. I didn't like the idea of a veteran ending it because what good does that do them in the future? They've probably only got two or three years to use the rub they get from it. Then again, I didn't like the idea of a younger guy winning it either, because that's a huge risk. Let's say you have Big E Langston end the streak, and the fans don't take to it. You've basically wasted 20+ years of building something up there. Not sure I agree with this idea that people who beat Brock are getting part of the rub he got from ending the streak either.
Punk should have beaten him.
And then joined the Shield.
And then joined the Shield.
Exactly, if the streak was ending they had no choice really but to give it to Lesnar.
Out of curiosity, could anyone see a new streak being started up with a younger talent?
My shout would be Roman Reigns... He's already 2-0 two victories with the shield, he's 29... by WM40 he would be 39 years old and have a record of 12-0.
He realistically could actually beat takers streak....
Out of curiosity, could anyone see a new streak being started up with a younger talent?
My shout would be Roman Reigns... He's already 2-0
two victories with the shield, he's 29... by WM40 he would be 39 years old and have a record of 12-0.He realistically could actually beat takers streak....
Punk and Slater should join the Wyatt family.
yeah and now he has left
I guess his constant bitching probably decided that one... Imagine if they gave it to him last year, 1 year on he walks out? What a waste!
yeah and now he has left
I guess his constant bitching probably decided that one... Imagine if they gave it to him last year, 1 year on he walks out? What a waste!
He'll be back, eveyone comes back. A year or two off will do him good and the fans will go nuts when he does.
As for giving him the "end of the streak" being a waste, it was a waste giving it to Lesnar. He didn't need it at all as everyone knows he could beat the shit out of everyone in the company if he wanted to.
Edit, I nearly missed it at the end of your post. Bubba Ray Dudley should join The Shield.
That's why he's the only one credible enough to take it. Plus the rub that the babyface who eventually triumphs over the guy who ended the streak will get will be crazy.
Thing is, Lesnar is well beatable, everyone *except* the Undertaker has done it recently.
When Brock decides to do a job for (my guess would be Daniel Bryan at some point) someone, the fact that they've beaten Brock is already enough. That he already defeated the Undertaker won't make much of a difference.
It's like Celtic beating Barcelona and then Celtic losing the next week to Hibernian. None of the glory of beating Barca goes to Hibs. Or something.
I can't see anyone out there better than Brock to beat the streak, and IMO the streak absolutely had to end. This is pro wrestling, you go out on your back, and Taker is no different. When Cesaro eventually beats Brock after he's destroyed everyone else that moment will be huge for him.
As for a new streak, it's not something that can be planned, it has to happen organically.
As for a new streak, it's not something that can be planned, it has to happen organically.
I dont think anything like it will happen again purely because takers was so organic, it wasn't planned for years, but it became bigger than mania itself in some ways. If you said this when taker was 2-0 imagine all the things that could have gone wrong and didn't. It was a one off, like a moment in time and I don't think anything as naturally brilliant will happen again.Exactly, if the streak was ending they had no choice really but to give it to Lesnar.
Out of curiosity, could anyone see a new streak being started up with a younger talent?
My shout would be Roman Reigns... He's already 2-0
He realistically could actually beat takers streak....
The streak was becoming stale. The Punk match is what convinced me it needed to be ended. Ending the streak didn't hurt Taker's legacy in any way whatsoever. Ending the streak forces the WWE creative and come up with more selling points for Wrestlemania than a gimmick match. Lesnar was the best candidate in the current roster to end the striker. The only other viable/believable option was Cena. But Cena is now a career babyface. The streak needed to be ended by a heel.
If anything I think ending it made us appreciate his legacy more. The way he went out, battered, concust , injured, it makes you realise he has been fecked for years but still once a year he would put in an amazing performance for everyone because when people watched Mania they did so more for Undertaker defending the streak than anything else. It makes you realise just how good he was and Mania will have a very different feel to it next year as I reckon we have seen the last of him and he will go in the HOF.
Punk was always better as a heel, imo. Replacing Seth with a replica character is bad for fans. Now Shield is face, so Punk to Shield will never happen.
Zayn or someone else fron NXT will be a good choice.
I think people who look at it as 'Lesnar broke the streak but he is a part timer so its wasted' are missing the point. Lesnar was just a hired gun, it was Paul Heyman who broke the streak, and Cesaro is supposed to be getting the rub from that. Last year it was Punk who Heyman had aligned himself with in order to break the streak, who got close but ultimately failed at which point Heyman went back and played his trump card in Brock Lesnar.
I really enjoyed Rollins vs. Ziggler from Smackdown.
In the triple threat match, Barrett whipped RVD into the ropes and they did that typical "you bend over and I'll kick you in the face" spot. However, I could swear Barrett went for a kick after he whipped RVD, and his stumbling forward was why he was doubled over. If that's what actually happened Barrett needs to be pushed past the moon for actually getting that stupid spot to make sense.
In the triple threat match, Barrett whipped RVD into the ropes and they did that typical "you bend over and I'll kick you in the face" spot. However, I could swear Barrett went for a kick after he whipped RVD, and his stumbling forward was why he was doubled over. If that's what actually happened Barrett needs to be pushed past the moon for actually getting that stupid spot to make sense.
Adding anyone to the Shield would be a terrible choice. The time is right for them to either sink or swim.
Are you suggesting that the first camera shot being of Paul Heyman's face was intentional? Or that Paul Heyman using his "My clown Brock Lesnar ended the Undertakers streak at Wrestlemania" line on every show may have been well planned out?
Cesaro will end up going over Brock, that will be his star making match.
EDIT: make that star making feud. Showing just how physically impressive he is by comparing him to Brock will add a lot.
I am indeed suggesting that good sir, they just havent worded it well when they do the whole 'my client Brock Lesnar' bullshit, he should be saying 'my name is Paul Heyman and I am the man who masterminded the conquering of the Undertaker's undefeated streak'
This!
Spot on
They've elevated Lesnar into Takers spot kinda, in the sense he will be the unbeatable monster now. I think Taker is done for. I'd hate to see him in another match now, that match against Lesnar was just awful, he looked so unfit and incapable of performing the way he used to. No surprises really considering his age and the numerous injuries acquired over the years made for his worst performance ever I feel.
At this point in time I'm sure they aren't thinking about it, again this could happen organically. 2-0 is a good start, I didn't realize it myself til this afternoon. Either next year or year after I've a feeling Reigns will be the next big face of the company. He has the look, physique and he's improving on the mic. Also he has massive back stage clout with his family connections within the business and its pretty much a certainty that he will be a future world champ.
Roman has it all to be incredible, he really does. That being said, he's been very much protected up to this point, and it's no coincidence that by far the worst matches the shield have been involved in are those where Roman was the centrepiece or that he was in solo matches. He's got all the talent in the world it's just a case of him settling and getting experience, he wouldn't be the first guy to be in a situation like he is and to have a severe tail off when he was no longer protected by being in a team.
In years to come we will probably get Cesaro v Reigns as Main Event to WM.
Now that sounds pretty frickin sweet!
I was just curious as to who might get another streak story out of the newer guys and Regins seems the best bet for me, bit of fantasy style booking.
Roman needs a lot of work before he is ready for a singles run. So far he relies on power moves and speed. The superman punch, spear, samoan drop and that dropkick are all impressive in action packed tag and gimmick matches. He gets a few minutes/seconds every match to pull of these moves. So they look impressive. However in a singles run he would need to perform in slow paced matches with grappling and mat action, storytelling. Also as a solo star he'd need to be able to cut a +5 minute promo. Not the one liners he uses. He has a bright future ahead but I think he needs to wait at least year before a singles run. They should give him time to improve his skills and develop a character
I agree he still is very rough around the edges. I'm sure he is there or there abouts now for a singles run, I can see Ambrose turning as well and that'll give him his first run as a face.
The part I highlighted sounds a lot like Goldberg, he done alright! He relied on fast, high impact power moves.
He worked in WCW, there's a reason his WWE run was so underwhelming, he didn't fit the storytelling style at all.
true. Where WWF had Austin, WCW has Goldberg.
Apparently, in his matches, the other guy always had to do pretty much all the work.
Well it was the same with Warrior & Hogan, both we're very poor in ring and had the other guys carry them through out the match.
I agree that WCW wrasslin suited Goldberg better, his WWE stint was poor alright..but how many guys other than Geurroro & Benoit done really well, Booker was next best and even he was thrown into ridiculous storylines and never really taken all that serious.
I'm just listening to Jericho's interview with AJ Styles, and AJ has summed that stuff up perfectly.
If you bring someone in who's perceived as being another companies guy, you don't just put that guy straight on top. If a Goldberg comes in to the WWE then you don't but the belt on him for a prolonged period at least, if you do you're basically saying "WCW is better than us" from a fans perception. Vince's understanding of this is a large reason they are the number 1 in the industry.
If you bring someone in who's perceived as being another companies guy, you don't just put that guy straight on top. If a Goldberg comes in to the WWE then you don't but the belt on him for a prolonged period at least, if you do you're basically saying "WCW is better than us" from a fans perception. Vince's understanding of this is a large reason they are the number 1 in the industry.
Depends what you consider a WCW guy, Jericho made out alright, as did Mysterio and Big Show.
Most people go on about DDP/Rock and a missed opportunity but I've always felt the big opportunity missed was DDP/Austin. Those characters would of worked brilliantly together, was gutted we never got to see it happen.
Hard to describe, but stiff workers! Its more about wrestling style, in ring action performance. Wrestlers you can define a style around. WWE put the strap on story tellers, in and outside of the ring.
I gave the example earlier about Goldberg, he was a stiff worker. Used power and explosive moves in ring, said basically nothing and became world champion. Off the top of my head only 1 guy done that in WWE and that was Yokozuna, Kane had Paul Bearer to talk him up, but still similar in some ways. (this is his from his debut as Kane and him lifting the title), attitude era Kane.
Jericho and Mysterio again both had their own in ring styles, even Benoit (last great WCW champion)... Jericho brought a mix of Japan, Mexico and US wrestling styles and blended them all together. Helluva talent. Rey broke the mold for the lucha libre to get into the US, him and psycosis really showed the US what they we're missing, the plancha and suicide dives, again an in ring style. High risk and then wrestlers like the Hardy's took a lot from their playbook. Hell... Even Lita (see this years HOF Speech) where she clearly Idolizes Rey going back to seeing him in AAA.
In short.......WCW could and if they we're still around today would make champions of guys who done it in the ring, regardless of their ability to sell out arenas, probably why they are out of business!! WWE would rarely if ever give the strap to a guy who held his own in ring yet didnt draw, No problem giving the strap to Hogan for 4 years in the 80s though..why? cause he was a super hero and larger than life and sold out, who cared what he could do in ring.
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Heh, it occurs to me after reading your post, WCW = Lance Storm.
aye, Lance storm... great in ring but as stone cold would say.......Booooooooooooooooooooooooooring!
Vader, Arn Anderson, Malenko, Steiners, Larry Zybysko...who the feck gives a world title to a guy called... Larry!!!
I really liked Lance, stellar wrestler, and if you believe Jericho, we probably never even saw half of what he could do.aye, Lance storm... great in ring but as stone cold would say.......Booooooooooooooooooooooooooring!
Vader, Arn Anderson, Malenko, Steiners, Larry Zybysko...who the feck gives a world title to a guy called... Larry!!!
As for Larry, isn't the current WWE champion named Daniel?