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It would be really awesome, if The Shield manage to get Daniel Bryan as replacement. They did save Bryan from Evolution before. Now that would be the cherry on the cake, if we have TripleH, Orton & Rollins vs Reigns, Ambrose and Bryan.


Good shout! But rumour has it Bryans injury is worst than originally thought it seems, the MITB match is going to be for the WWE Title. Slim chance of him keeping it now I'd say... fair play to the management for giving him every chance to keep hold of his title and buy him time!
 
If they build to an Evolution -v- Shield in a handicap match at Money in the Bank, it would be cool to have Ambrose screw over Reigns and also join Evolution.
 
Adding anyone to the Shield would be a terrible move, just look at the nWo for reasons why.

Adding Ambrose to Evolution would also be a bad move. As we are it works, and the Shield split is imminent, (talk about going out on top) and the group hasn't been tarnished. Now it's time for Ambrose to show he's the man, and time for Roman to either sink, or swim.
 
If they build to an Evolution -v- Shield in a handicap match at Money in the Bank, it would be cool to have Ambrose screw over Reigns and also join Evolution.

I like the idea, of the 3 shield members Reigns probably is the most likely to be a face and the other two most likely to be heels! I could see that scenario playing out alright and give Reigns chance to shine by himself... All 3 are great though mind you so be good for all in many ways!
 
defo, some impressive list of names they've gone over in the last year now. Its made them legit top stars for the future now, all 3 will at some time or another be in with a shout for the title I'd assume!
 
They beat a lot of big names but their record with titles is disappointing. They made belts mere accessories. The Four Horsemen held titles and defended them. I think the best cliques should hold major titles and use them to elevate themselves and others. Even the Wyatts don't seem to give a feck about the titles.
 
They beat a lot of big names but their record with titles is disappointing. They made belts mere accessories. The Four Horsemen held titles and defended them. I think the best cliques should hold major titles and use them to elevate themselves and others. Even the Wyatts don't seem to give a feck about the titles.


I don't think any of the titles now are relevant now (world title the exception), they need to make it relevant again, how I'm really not sure tbh...
 
I think The Shield will go down as the best WWE/F wrestling faction of the modern era.
Easy. I think only The Nexus had the same kind of immediate impact but the shield were pulling out at least a couple of ****+ matches a month and made 6 man tag matches the thing that you wanted to see. The list of big name people they've beat in doing so - Kane, Undertaker, Orton, HHH, Batista, Cena, Punk - is as impressive as maybe any stable - at least since the original incarnation of Evolution.
 
They've yet to have one entertaining match. In well over a year. Being put in matches on almost every show.

The match on Takeover was easily their best, and that was all Kalisto baby.
Big blokes hitting each other always needs more people.
Yes.



Ridiculous. They need more actual tag teams, not less.
No.
 
Sorry but today's product is utter tripe compared to the attitude era, your entitled to your opinion but sorry facts are facts... there isn't a single damn wrestler today who could lace the boots of Kurt Angle (an olympic gold medal winning wrestler), Even Benoit or The Hart Family!!! Kenta, Bray, The Prince or even the God like figure of Punk (who loved the biz so much he turned his back on it)... PS don't give me excuses like he was banged up, what wrestler isn't? He doesn't give £uck about wrestling

There was clearly defined characters in the AE, the characters we're arguably the greatest to ever grace the business too from any generation... there was something there for everyone...

So the talent was better, no doubt...
The characters we're clearly better...having honed their talents across the world in all kinds of organisations, giving them the time to learn their trade and develop their characters.

Just because they had chair shots to the head you say it pales in comparison? That they didn't know how to sell / or gave up... which is simply not true at all!

Ps: This years WM was enjoyable alright mind you, top 5 maybe... no doubt the two greatest WM shows of all time come from the AE, WM17 & without a doubt WM19 is the greatest of all time!!
With the greatest of respect you are clearly glossing over the utter dross that came out of the attitude era, mcmahon pissing himself in the ring, mae young giving birth to a hand! And many other stupid waste of air time. Yes, the wrestling was very good but if you honestly think that wrestlers like Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Rollins etc can't lace Kurt Angles boots then i think it's time you switched off.
 
With the greatest of respect you are clearly glossing over the utter dross that came out of the attitude era, mcmahon pissing himself in the ring, mae young giving birth to a hand! And many other stupid waste of air time. Yes, the wrestling was very good but if you honestly think that wrestlers like Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Rollins etc can't lace Kurt Angles boots then i think it's time you switched off.
Agree with everything you said prior to the highlighted. The 3 you named are excellent but Angle's different gravy entirely.
 
Agree with everything you said prior to the highlighted. The 3 you named are excellent but Angle's different gravy entirely.
Not entirely true, the original statement said they couldn't lace his boots. In pro wrestling I think each of them could go with Angle, all of them would belong in the ring with Angle. rolly hasn't dismissed Angle, he's dismissing the baseless point being made.
 
Not entirely true, the original statement said they couldn't lace his boots. In pro wrestling I think each of them could go with Angle, all of them would belong in the ring with Angle. rolly hasn't dismissed Angle, he's dismissing the baseless point being made.
Fair enough, the lace his boots part was vital to the statement, they could all go with Angle and probably put on classics in their own right but in terms of where I rank wrestlers all time as induviduals (not just in ring but the whole package) Angle would be what I'd call a second-tierer, and I'd only put Michaels, Undertaker and probably Flair in the top tier.
 
Kurt Angle only hit his stride once the attitude era was over anyway. He was more "Ruthless Aggression" era
To be fair he only joined the then WWf in Septemberish of 99, if we say ruthless agression started post-invasion, off the top of my head I can think of the below good/great matches he had/was involved in and this is just PPV's.

Vs Jericho & Benoit - WM 2000
Wins 2000 KOTR
Vs Rock & HHH - SummerSlam 2000
Vs HHH - Unforgiven 2000
Vs Rock - No Mercy 2000 (Wins World Title)
Armageddon HIAC (Decent)
Vs HHH - Rumble 2001
Vs Rock - No Way Out 2001
Vs Benoit - WMX7
Vs Benoit - Backlash 2001
Vs Benoit - Judgement Day 2001
Vs Shane McMahon - KOTR 2001
Invasion 5v5
Vs Austin - Summerslam 2001
Vs Austin - Unforgiven 2001
Vs Austin & RVD - No Mercy 2001
Survivor Series 5v5

I do agree once the brand's split and he became one of the "Smackdown Six" and later became the main man on Smackdown he was at his peak, but to say he wasn't in his stride beforehand would be doing him a disservice.
 
Angle, Benoit and Jericho. That trio were involved in some brilliant matches.
Crazy really - still remember the week of Judgement Day 2001 where Angle and Benoit went 3 falls. Benoit was the surprise partner for Jericho the same night in tag turmoil. The following night on raw they had that classic tag match against Austin and Triple H (where he did his quad). They then followed that up with TLC 3 on Smackdown.

Most people never have a **** match, Benoit had 3 in 3 day's. That's before you even mention things like Angle v Benoit at Backlash that year or the Royal Rumble a few years later. Speaking of which Jericho v Benoit ladder match at the 2001 Rumble is another classic. 3 truly talented wrestlers.
 
I fully understand the term "Buried"....

Well you have used it prematurely twice (re Waytt and Cesaro).

Bray Wyatt has been buried by Cena as far as I'm concerned, come on for god sake like. There are a long old list of "monsters" Cena has banished to Jobber / midcard realm for all eternity. Bray has shone by himself and not because anything Cena has done, he has shown himself to be confident enough on the mic and captivate the audience...as you do state, I can't see how the feck Cena helped Bray in anyway whatsoever in ring (where he was supposed to!) and making him look strong? Cena has looked vastly superior in ring in all their bouts pretty much, the one W for Bray comes from interferance from a child... Big bad ass Bray Wyatt with the Assit from 12 year old Johnny!

Just think of the alternative here, what would it of done for Bray had he got a clean pin on Cena??

Wouldn't that of made him a genuine star??

No, he really hasn't. Wyatt has been outstanding in this feud. Forget about the booking, he has done a fantastic job with his gimmick and has even had the backing of the fans, despite being a HEEL. Cena's generic tactic of using another stars' gimmick and manipulating it in a way which buries him didn't work out. I think that says enough. At WrestleMania, Wyatt came out looking fantastic. At Extreme Rules, which was horribly booked, Wyatt's manipulative side was portrayed quite well.

The whole point of the feud IMO was to expose Cena, from Wyatt's point of view. Is he really about loyalty and respect? The way he set about doing it is what you should putting emphasis on. ALL of us knew that he wasn't going to win at Payback. There was no way, but because he lost that means he has been "buried"? That is far from the case, and WWE are high on him at the moment. He's going to come back and get an even bigger push very soon. Keep watching.

As for Cesaro: wow again I can point out so many falacies in your arguments... Just because he has Heyman doesn't mean he will be a huge star... there is a lot going on with Cesaro currently that suggests he is on a slippery slope to being another Ryback! Think about it... Ryback had Heyman at his side too and it did little to nothing for him, he was given little to no time on the mic (same as Cesaro) and commentators spouting out rubbish of him being a freak / monster etc... if they give him MITB there is every possiblity he could well go the same way as Ziggler or Sandow (I'm aware of the reasons for their demise, with Cesaro getting little or no time on the mic how does he step out and become a star himself, Im really not a fan of the guys who need / have managers to speak for them) or he could go on to better things... time will tell! But as it stands it is a small hop for him to easily go down the route of Ryback with his current situation... btw as well, do you honestly think Cesaro is getting the rub of the green by being with Heyman when all Heyman does is spout out crap about Brock every single time he appears in the aisle... "my client, brock lesnar...streak this, that or the other??"

As you say it does suggest he may face off against Brock in the future, Summer slam maybe? But that'd feel very rushed..maybe Survivor Series?

Well firstly, I didn't say that having Heyman makes him a huge star, but WWE have clearly identified him as a potential top talent. Whether he's in the top, top bracket is open to debate, as I don't think he possesses the mic skills required to be at the very top. The match he had with Sheamus was good, and even though he lost, he put on a solid performance. Losing in that manner, against one of Vince McMahon's favourites, isn't a bad thing at all.

Post-WrestleMania, Cesaro's character is what has changed, and that's what has gone against him. He has transformed into a coward heel. The changes I can think of: being a coward, walking weirdly as he comes out, and his theme music being changed to something that resembles the construction of a child. It doesn't matter if he has Heyman as manager talking about Lesnar. I think that's the plan - I see it as that transparent - and it will result in a match with Lesnar. If that isn't the case, then yeah of course, I agree with you. He's not, however, going down the same route as Ryback. It's been reported many times that Ryback is a danger to his opponents - he can't wrestle. There's no connection between the two, really - and Heyman being a former manager to Ryback doesn't link them in any way.
 
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To be fair he only joined the then WWf in Septemberish of 99, if we say ruthless agression started post-invasion, off the top of my head I can think of the below good/great matches he had/was involved in and this is just PPV's.

Vs Jericho & Benoit - WM 2000
Wins 2000 KOTR
Vs Rock & HHH - SummerSlam 2000
Vs HHH - Unforgiven 2000
Vs Rock - No Mercy 2000 (Wins World Title)
Armageddon HIAC (Decent)
Vs HHH - Rumble 2001
Vs Rock - No Way Out 2001
Vs Benoit - WMX7
Vs Benoit - Backlash 2001
Vs Benoit - Judgement Day 2001
Vs Shane McMahon - KOTR 2001
Invasion 5v5
Vs Austin - Summerslam 2001
Vs Austin - Unforgiven 2001
Vs Austin & RVD - No Mercy 2001
Survivor Series 5v5

I do agree once the brand's split and he became one of the "Smackdown Six" and later became the main man on Smackdown he was at his peak, but to say he wasn't in his stride beforehand would be doing him a disservice.

Yeah my phrasing was wrong. Peak would have been the better word. He was excellent in the Invasion angle (which was colossally fecked up)
 
Agree with everything you said prior to the highlighted. The 3 you named are excellent but Angle's different gravy entirely.
Oh I don't mean to take anything away from Angle, he was and is a legend in the ring. My point was to highlight how the guy I quoted had glossed over the poor stuff that came out of the attitude era and he clearly pays little or no attention to today's product and offers the same baseless arguments that we hear week in and out. We're getting people saying "it's shit now, the attitude era was amazing" all the time and it pisses me off almost as much as the "why watch it, it's fake" brigade.
 
Oh I don't mean to take anything away from Angle, he was and is a legend in the ring. My point was to highlight how the guy I quoted had glossed over the poor stuff that came out of the attitude era and he clearly pays little or no attention to today's product and offers the same baseless arguments that we hear week in and out. We're getting people saying "it's shit now, the attitude era was amazing" all the time and it pisses me off almost as much as the "why watch it, it's fake" brigade.
The few times ive watched it these days has been horrific. The attitude era and what came after was mostly very good. I think it was following the split it went down hill.

It is far too PG nowadays
 
Kurt Angle vs. Undertaker at No Way Out 2006(?) is still to this day one of the best matches I've ever seen - a incredible straight wrestling affair that went nearly 30 minutes - and was miles better then anything that happened at Mania the following month.