Aye, I guess it's what made him such a good wrestler, but sadly wasn't enough for the WWE where you need to be a superstar.
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Randy Orton jumped by 4 people in Vegas
Vintage Orton 1 minute in.
I wholeheartedly condemn this video. It's genuinely pretty horrific
Vintage Orton 1 minute in.
I wholeheartedly condemn this video. It's genuinely pretty horrific
No, the different route being that WWE are trusting the younger guys and that this is really the first time something "big" has happened since WrestleMania. Triple H trusts these guys, hence Daniel Bryan, The Shield, Bray Wyatt (Harper included), and Cesaro are getting pushed. You really don't know what the term buried means.
If so, WOW! Hasn't MITB done wonders for Ziggler and Sandow
This ignores what has happened backstage. The same Ziggler who beat Cena to win at TLC and then won the World Heavyweight Championship against Del Rio at the RAW after WrestleMania. He was onto big things, until he opened his mouth. WWE then changed their direction and had the titles unified. I don't know what has happened to Sandow, but there were rumours of him - more or less - doing the same thing.
That's nonsense because it was the things below (that you said) which you were "ridiculed" for:
Weird because Cesaro put on a very good showing, and has gone from Zeb Colter to Paul Heyman. Think about that. He's going to probably end up winning the MITB match. And there's also talk of him facing Brock Lesnar (which would make sense). The ending of the match was poor, but the match itself was pretty good.
Weird because I don't remember the last time someone managed to match Cena on the mic and completely destroy his puerile way of dealing with opponents. Cena - being the idiot he is when it comes to feuds - tries to bury talent by mocking their gimmick. Notice how Bray Wyatt completely destroyed Cena's generic tactic and it's partly why many fans cheered for him in this feud.
To be honest, the feud has been done poorly. It's an absolute farce that Cena was allowed to win at WrestleMania - not to forget his awful skills at trying to make himself look weak - and Payback. Of course, Cena being the manufactured Vince McMahon puppet would obviously win, but I don't understand what either one has gained from this feud thus far? I say thus far because it could potentially go on further, judging by the post-Payback interview Cena did. However, you'd be mistaken if you think the term buried is applicable in this case.
What on earth are you shitting on about
Two matches made the show as I suspected it might, one of which was a burial of an up and coming guy (Bray).... Bray is yet to have a clean victory over Cena, got a ridiculous win in the cage match, from a child interfering. Cena delivers alright, in "Spades"
If I'm a bollicks jeez you can only be described as thick as pig shit if you can't see what is right in front of you
Seriously, I'm not even trying to insult you, but you're honestly not only the worst poster I've ever seen in this thread but up their among the worst on these forums. What's even with the insults too? Thick as pig shit? You're just embarrassing yourself with the stuff you're coming out with on and off topic. No point in derailing the thread further though.
90 minutes into raw and it feels like a lifetime
Well I didnt expect that..Seth Rollins is now in Evolution? By the way, how good is Triple H at being a heel, really potrays his role to a tee
I loved it, one of the best endings to Raw in a long time. I expected a new Evolution member but don't think anyone saw it being Rollins. WWE have done a fantastic job with The Shield, it's a shame they split them up cos they work so well together. Will make a very interesting change and in fairness WWE could do with another fresh top heel and Rollins can talk and wrestle extremely well. Looks like they're keeping Evolution going so hope they bring someone up from NXT to take Rollins spot in The Shield to shake things up again.
Definetly agree on it being a quality ending and will definetly get people talking, and it is a shame thats the last we will see of the original shield, but when they have the final blow off there isnt anything else the Sheild can do apart from go for individual titles, same goes for Evolution, How do you see Reigns, Rollins and Ambrose fairing on their own at this moment in time, presuming Summerslam will be the venue for the ending of the feud? do you think Reigns mic work and character development is up to scratch? I can see Ambrose and Rollins especially being fine to go it alone, but Reigns could struggle and could need a manager/mouth piece
and judging by WWE's track record with monsters that cant work the stick (Kane, Khali, Mark Henry, that fat dancing guy with the mohawk) I dont know what to do with him bar make him a Lesnar style machine
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The shield is no more!!!!!
Didn't see that coming. Was hoping they'd keep them together. They were the best thing in the WWE
I'll start off by saying I completely agree with your last paragraph, really do... Cena losing this feud would of been more beneficial to making a brand new genuine star, put him in the top heel spot... wwe currently don't have a full time in ring top heel at the moment really... If Bray went over Cena he could then be put into a feud with Bryan again and made look like a genuine threat to the title in the build up to SS! Now he has been pushed back to midcard / upper mid card and the likelhood is we will see the shield face off against them again in the coming weeks (sorry I can't really see where else The Wyatts go from here that is logical tbh)
I fully understand the term "Buried"....
Bray Wyatt has been buried by Cena as far as I'm concerned, come on for god sake like. There are a long old list of "monsters" Cena has banished to Jobber / midcard realm for all eternity. Bray has shone by himself and not because anything Cena has done, he has shown himself to be confident enough on the mic and captivate the audience...as you do state, I can't see how the feck Cena helped Bray in anyway whatsoever in ring (where he was supposed to!) and making him look strong? Cena has looked vastly superior in ring in all their bouts pretty much, the one W for Bray comes from interferance from a child... Big bad ass Bray Wyatt with the Assit from 12 year old Johnny!
Just think of the alternative here, what would it of done for Bray had he got a clean pin on Cena??
Wouldn't that of made him a genuine star??
Yeah its great Trips is pushing these guys up fron NXT and giving them airtime, Bray as a speaker and entertainer on the mic is ready, he is slightly rough around the edges in ring but that just comes with experience I guess.
As for Cesaro: wow again I can point out so many falacies in your arguments... Just because he has Heyman doesn't mean he will be a huge star... there is a lot going on with Cesaro currently that suggests he is on a slippery slope to being another Ryback! Think about it... Ryback had Heyman at his side too and it did little to nothing for him, he was given little to no time on the mic (same as Cesaro) and commentators spouting out rubbish of him being a freak / monster etc... if they give him MITB there is every possiblity he could well go the same way as Ziggler or Sandow (I'm aware of the reasons for their demise, with Cesaro getting little or no time on the mic how does he step out and become a star himself, Im really not a fan of the guys who need / have managers to speak for them) or he could go on to better things... time will tell! But as it stands it is a small hop for him to easily go down the route of Ryback with his current situation... btw as well, do you honestly think Cesaro is getting the rub of the green by being with Heyman when all Heyman does is spout out crap about Brock every single time he appears in the aisle... "my client, brock lesnar...streak this, that or the other??"
As you say it does suggest he may face off against Brock in the future, Summer slam maybe? But that'd feel very rushed..maybe Survivor Series?
Seriously, I'm not even trying to insult you, but you're honestly not only the worst poster I've ever seen in this thread but up their among the worst on these forums. What's even with the insults too? Thick as pig shit? You're just embarrassing yourself with the stuff you're coming out with on and off topic. No point in derailing the thread further though.
Says the guy who called me a bollicks?
Oookay!!
Fantastic ending, really good, Rollins fits the mould perfectly, HHH the old pro/leg end, Orton the main man, Rollins the up and coming, just short the beefcake.
If this was the WWE of a few years ago, Batista would come back and become the Shield's main man.
I'd say only Vince and Eddie were better, tbh, maybe I could think of more, but I doubt it.
I'd say absolutely no one would have been surprised if Ambrose pulled this. Perhaps that article was to facilitate a swerve.
If this was the WWE of a few years ago, Batista would come back and become the Shield's main man.
Reigns is much better on the mic than he gets credit for, more than enough to carry himself. You don't need to be Ambrose or Wyatt when you have a presence like Reigns does.
*possibly.
Just seen the Uso's promo from last night - very The Rock-esq in its delivery. Been taking tips off family clearly.
Seriously, it was one of the predicted moves. It was reports that Reigns that would do the defecting. But then Shield was a bit of grey characters of the show. Their early support of Punk, despite the Justice Fighters tag made them dicey. I actually liked their fight against Undertake, Kane & Daniel Bryan, esp their victory, which I thought was unexpected.
Is there any streaming that you can do for this?
Is there any streaming that you can do for this?
You thinks its a work by rollins then or do you mean that they will add a new member?
Also, I would have preferred Ambrose or Reigns to turn, I dont think anyone will want to boo rollins due to his moveset.
And the reaction of the IWC was priceless, bunch of dramatic cnuts
Urgh, a Stretcher Match... the worst stipulation match there is.
I absolutely have no clue tbh, and it's fantastic.You thinks its a work by rollins then or do you mean that they will add a new member?
Also, I would have preferred Ambrose or Reigns to turn, I dont think anyone will want to boo rollins due to his moveset.
And the reaction of the IWC was priceless, bunch of dramatic cnuts
Agreed about Rollins, heels with great flashy movesets never really work in the end(barring Eddie Guerrero), like Austin Areis in TNAwful.
He was a heel, but so damn good, everyone liked him anyway.
My friend, let me introduce you to the "On a Pole" stipulation.
Most notably, one that holds the record of being both the best stipulation match ever, and the worst stipulation match ever. The Viagra on a Pole match.
Who the feck would need viagra to rail Torrie Wilson?! FFS....
Cantonas, you really don't understand what buried means.
I absolutely have no clue tbh, and it's fantastic.
Agreed about Rollins, heels with great flashy movesets never really work in the end(barring Eddie Guerrero), like Austin Areis in TNAwful.
He was a heel, but so damn good, everyone liked him anyway.
My friend, let me introduce you to the "On a Pole" stipulation.
Most notably, one that holds the record of being both the best stipulation match ever, and the worst stipulation match ever. The Viagra on a Pole match.
Who the feck would need viagra to rail Torrie Wilson?! FFS....
The thing about Pole matches is, at least they're exclusively reserved for shit/daft/nothing matches... Stretcher matchs however manage to find there way into big/important/title matches... despite them never ever producing a good match due to them being a completely daft stipulation (ARRRGHHHH I hate you so much, I'm going to help you onto this stretcher and push you over a line - thus taking you closer to the back and to medical attention).
They're perhaps only beaten by the dreaded Ambulance match (Argh, I hate you so much, I'm going to put you in the back of this Amblunace to speed up your recover process...)
Also, did someone say burying? There's only one man who know's what burying is....
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.... I fecking love Trips.
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.... I fecking love Trips.
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Fair enough for the most part, still not as daft as needing viagra for Torrie. Corpses would get it up for her.
I would mark out like a little bitch if he came out to the ring doing that dance before mauling some prospect.Also, did someone say burying? There's only one man who know's who burying is....
.... I fecking love Trips.
I absolutely have no clue tbh, and it's fantastic.
Agreed about Rollins, heels with great flashy movesets never really work in the end(barring Eddie Guerrero), like Austin Areis in TNAwful.
He was a heel, but so damn good, everyone liked him anyway.
My friend, let me introduce you to the "On a Pole" stipulation.
Most notably, one that holds the record of being both the best stipulation match ever, and the worst stipulation match ever. The Viagra on a Pole match.
Who the feck would need viagra to rail Torrie Wilson?! FFS....
When the feck did that happen? FFS sums it up.WCW... Vince Russo's time, gawd he loved poles.
Torrie Wilson, Billy Kidman, Shane Douglas love triangle. Kidman made a sex tape with Wilson, two minutes of a flapping blanket fwiw.
Douglas attempts the same, only to flop(yes). So they have a viagra on a pole match, first to eat the viagra on the pole, then pole Wilson, wins.
What followed defies description. Kidman won, IIRC.
I dont really get why Trips has this rep of burying people, honestly I don't!
The same Trips that is now giving time to The Shield, Wyatts, Cesaro etc? He is making the shield look like Legit top stars and deserving of their spot in the main event!
The same trips with a 8-9 record at WM, Biggest annual event each year meaning he puts guys over more. Most notable and damaging losses against Cena and Benoit where he tapped out to both!
For anyone who can be bothered to read it, it completely takes a big steaming dump over the idea of Triple H burying people... facts are facts! Guys Trips apparently "Buried" at WM have gone on to have better careers than before it! 3 guys being the exception to that ruling are Owen Hart, Foley and Lesnar... Hart passed away (we all know the sad situation there), Foley retired shortly after and Lesnar was only last year!
http://www.kayfabermetrics.com/does-triple-h-bury-people-the-numbers-say-no/
When people accuse trips of Burying talent, the names that are thrown around make me near wet myself... Umaga? ffs... was he really going to become World Champ? Chris Masters Eugene? remember him... he went on to become Tag Champ and face Angle a year later at Summer Slam after blowing his knee out!
For me, the man who personifies burying is Hogan... this generations main culprit of Burying talent is Hogans equivelant... Cena!!!!
The same Trips that is now giving time to The Shield, Wyatts, Cesaro etc? He is making the shield look like Legit top stars and deserving of their spot in the main event!
The same trips with a 8-9 record at WM, Biggest annual event each year meaning he puts guys over more. Most notable and damaging losses against Cena and Benoit where he tapped out to both!
For anyone who can be bothered to read it, it completely takes a big steaming dump over the idea of Triple H burying people... facts are facts! Guys Trips apparently "Buried" at WM have gone on to have better careers than before it! 3 guys being the exception to that ruling are Owen Hart, Foley and Lesnar... Hart passed away (we all know the sad situation there), Foley retired shortly after and Lesnar was only last year!
http://www.kayfabermetrics.com/does-triple-h-bury-people-the-numbers-say-no/
When people accuse trips of Burying talent, the names that are thrown around make me near wet myself... Umaga? ffs... was he really going to become World Champ? Chris Masters
Eugene? remember him... he went on to become Tag Champ and face Angle a year later at Summer Slam after blowing his knee out!For me, the man who personifies burying is Hogan... this generations main culprit of Burying talent is Hogans equivelant... Cena!!!!
That sounds so bad I actually wanna see it. Now I know why he gets so much hate on online sites/forums.He really should have found someone earlier if he wanted people to remotely buy that.
I dont really get why Trips has this rep of burying people, honestly I don't!
The same Trips that is now giving time to The Shield, Wyatts, Cesaro etc? He is making the shield look like Legit top stars and deserving of their spot in the main event!
The same trips with a 8-9 record at WM, Biggest annual event each year meaning he puts guys over more. Most notable and damaging losses against Cena and Benoit where he tapped out to both!
For anyone who can be bothered to read it, it completely takes a big steaming dump over the idea of Triple H burying people... facts are facts! Guys Trips apparently "Buried" at WM have gone on to have better careers than before it! 3 guys being the exception to that ruling are Owen Hart, Foley and Lesnar... Hart passed away (we all know the sad situation there), Foley retired shortly after and Lesnar was only last year!
http://www.kayfabermetrics.com/does-triple-h-bury-people-the-numbers-say-no/
When people accuse trips of Burying talent, the names that are thrown around make me near wet myself... Umaga? ffs... was he really going to become World Champ? Chris Masters
For me, the man who personifies burying is Hogan... this generations main culprit of Burying talent is Hogans equivelant... Cena!!!!
Any argument you can throw at Cena "burying" people, you can throw at HHH.
For the record - neither really buried people to the extent that either you believe Cena does or others believe Trips did- but both have certainly gone over in instances when they probably shouldn't.
Also, Umaga was fecking brilliant - could easily have been a World Champion - he had the talent, and a larger then life gimmick that actually resonated with the crowd.
In fairness, I think he's god tier IWC. I like the middling IWC, thats super into NXT and tells people they're wrong about Emma. But enjoys midget matches and knows what burying is.
Umaga was good alright..done the monster heel very well, not sure he could carry the company in fairness... We'll never know now either way!
Just think that Trips has a very undeserving rep as burying talent when in fact its quite the oppossite...He's no doubt privelaged if you will to marry in to the "family"... but he was putting talent over long before that bonus.
Hogan was and still is to this day the worst. He is a cancer on wrestling, killed off many a career and refused to put guys over. Its been stated in numerous autobiographies about his back stage politics and refusal to stare at the lights! He killed WCW and now TNA.
Oh a close 2nd for Burials would be Dusty Rhodes (if you want to go back that far)... again political shennanigans and from all reports he sounded like a dick!!
I don't know was he still around when they had the Dustys Ass match, where the loosed had to kiss Dusty Rhodes ass.
He really should have found someone earlier if he wanted people to remotely buy that.
The ass was later found out to be a donkey, which had "dustys ass" painted on it in big writing.
Sounds awful. Probably ginger too.....
Very likely, but I'd rather try to enjoy what I watch rather than ridicule it.
These aren't IWC, they're just normal people. Apart from Emma. She can feck off.
That is usually the better option, to be fair.
On a side note, Brock Lesnar Fans reaction during the swerve was amazing. "Why?! Why?! Why?!"
Love that guy
Love that guy
Well if they're talking about it on the internet they're de facto IWC, blatantly. Also Emma is superb.
Really looking forward to seeing where this is going. Not so much looking forward to the inevitable god awful Roman Reigns vs Triple H match.
anyone else feel like this?
The three of them were entertaining together and now they can go off, do their own thing and the rest of the show will be entertaining and benefit from the separation as a result. Different segments of the show will be good as opposed to one chunk off it. Its a good decision if they play their cards right.
It would be really awesome, if The Shield manage to get Daniel Bryan as replacement. They did save Bryan from Evolution before. Now that would be the cherry on the cake, if we have TripleH, Orton & Rollins vs Reigns, Ambrose and Bryan.
They should get Sami Zyn as a replacement.