over rated for me! Just WWE hyping them up, even on those clips I posted the announce team jump in to save his ass to cover the fact he botches his moves!!
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over rated for me! Just WWE hyping them up, even on those clips I posted the announce team jump in to save his ass to cover the fact he botches his moves!!
It has soon become apparent that CRB is in fact a parody of the "IWC" stereotype. Nothing to see here.
The announcers always cover the botches? Its very rarely do they comment on a mistake.
How's Miz doing these days anyway?
nope just have my own opinons, call it as I see it! Cena's wrestling ability is awful... you can't in all honesty tell me is even anywhere near the level of guys like Austin, Taker, Angle, Michaels, Benoit, Flair etc...
He has a very limited move repoirtoire (5 moves of doom), he can't sell for shit!!!!!!!!!!! Possibly the worst at selling I can recall, his physique actually holds him back I think... he is too big with far too little flexability, he looks very awkward I feel in most matches!!!
He isnt a patch on any of the guys I listed above for in ring ability and that is a fact!!
His match with Umaga from a few years ago was also quite good.
Awful. Hardly see him anymore.
That's a ridiculous statement... he had a great match with Bryan in the past year alone... off the top of my head, he's also had great matches with Punk, HHH, Brock Lesnar, Edge, RVD, Umaga... theres' probably more too.
He's largely off filming awful Marine sequels, which is probably the best place for him.
"doesn't sell"
Also, stop mentioning Taker in this, or do I have to mention that he's the single most overrated in ring worker of all time? He's not a patch of the worker Kane is even, take away the Michaels and Punk matches from recent years and there's not one great match in there.
His match with lesnar was good yeah...
guys seriously its no coincidence that one of WWE's biggest declines in viewership came in recent years 2005-10 approx, why? Cena! He is awful pretty much all round...
Nice to see some new guys being pushed now in the last year or so... high time they did!!
Lou Thesz, Spinebuster, Stunner
Running knee, spinbuster, pedigree
big clothesline, nip up, sweet chin music
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Everyone has 5 moves of doom.
Well 'Taker hasn't wrestled much in recent years. But he's had a lot of 5 star matches. 'Taker was fed a lot of 'freaks' in his prime, not entirely his fault he didn't have great matches. But he's had great matches with the likes of Angle, Mick Foley and Austin. The single most overrated in ring worker has to be Ric Flair, every match was the same.
Without Cena, I would be concerned about where the WWE would be. Maybe they would have created another star but I'm not so sure. No one else in the business ATM can draw like he can. MAYBE Bryan as of late, but even the ratings dropped when he was the 1 guy the first time.
After a completely ridiculous statement like this I can no longer take you serious, fell of my seat here!!
Brilliant!! best WUM comment ever!!
Takers matches in recent years have declined simply because of age and injuries, jeez everyone knows that! His matches against Trips & Michaels a few years back we're classics, Taker has had great matches against every single name in the biz from Austin, Angle, Trips, Punk, Kane and basically everyone who is considered successful in wrestling..yet you state he is over rated... seriously are you 12? genuine question...
I've watched wrestling for nearly my entire life, some of my first memories are of Wrestlemania, so I don't need idiots like you trying to tell me whats what in wrestling...
oh and here you go for cena's selling abilities
Wasn't it proven Cena being the main guy meant better ratings? Whenever Cena was unavailable, viewership went down.
That's a pity. Has had his moments I guess, used to follow him few years back when he had the main storyline to play.
Correct.
@Cantonarightboot we've watched wrestling our entire lives too, I find that line rather derogatory
Cantonarightboot just boots his PC up, goes over to Wrestlezone, reads some of the comments to the articles and then comes here to repeat them.
Cena has been nothing short of great in this fued with the Wyatts, and that's lauded from everybody from fans to people who actually know the business. But the people who can't stand to see Cena lauded will vehemently oppose it out of principle.
Cena has been nothing short of great in this fued with the Wyatts, and that's lauded from everybody from fans to people who actually know the business. But the people who can't stand to see Cena lauded will vehemently oppose it out of principle.
Flair had some great matches, he worked more matches than almost any other guy in the biz to date! If you go back to stuff from the 70s and 80s he had some classics with Funk and Steamboat amongst others... somehow managed to get some decent performances from hogan too, who was the cena of the 80's and 90s!
I've watched wrestling for a very long time, whether it be indies, Japan, whatever, and Taker has the most overrated career ever, nowhere near as many greats as Cena has even, FWIW. The last few years were Takers best (although those HHH matches were horrendously clunky almost unwatchable affairs which were largely just closeups of them two and HBK's faces while Taker got his breath back)
Back when he was the champ he was a really good character, then he got sidelined for Rock and never recovered.
Where's @Leroy The Red when you need him?!
a fair assesment I feel.
He's doing nothing in WWE but he did marry Maryse recently, so life isn't too bad for him.
They pushed cena to the stars and beyond...well vince did, they just fed him everyone, everyone was made look weak and was just fodder to him... they built up no new stars up until about a year or two ago...
this year has been great, why? because they are pushing talent again and recently cena's spot has been taken over by Bryan... now bryan has the injury it looks like cena is being pushed back up again into the main spot while he is off...
That's not necessarily a bad thing though. They needed a new star so they created one. Sure some guys got fed to him but that had to happen to make him. The business needed him. Batista and Orton never really caught on. Orton has the nickname as "The Ratings Killer" for a reason. They're trying to push some young guys now and that's good. Cena will always be the anchor when he is there though. Because he draws, whether people like it or not.
I'm not wanting to get into a cock measuring contest, but I followed the same wrestling as you have, used to be heavily into Japanese wrestling when I was younger but I can't see why you think 'Taker has an overrated career?
The guy has worked with the greats, been involved in classic moments, introduced some great gimmick matches. The past 4-5 years 'Taker hasn't been great, he can't work as he used to, he had a lull period in the 90's or early 00's where he put on weight and wasn't moving as well as he used to.
I'd argue that is largely down to Bray, his character is refreshing and people want to see it, the are intrigued by Wyatt and have bought into it... Cena hasn't done anything spectacular during it!!
Everything good about the recent feud with Bray is Bray himself I feel... from the choir to the crowds singing, the "possessed" kids...these are all extensions of bray himself...
Of course you would. As would everyone who hates Cena, it's a good thing that most people don't agree. They've both been praised, Wyatt for how good he is, and Cena for how good he has been.
Cena has done very well in the Bray feud. Bray as great as his character is, isn't anywhere near the finished article in the ring.
In all honesty I genuinely dont hate him, might sound odd but I just feel he is over rated... his in ring ability is extremely limited (considering the era and the talent he had around him when he started), hes decent on the mic... has his moments! Reality is its PG era and the kids buy into his lame ass act... his work with charity is unquestionable and that too I feel keeps him there as he golden goose...
Its all Politics!!!
Look back at the vast majority of Taker's career and there is a hell of a lot of dross in there, moreso than most guys would get away with. Could that be the character driven style holding him back? It could well be. I hate nothing more than watching old Taker matches, they always disappoint me.
I'm not saying that Taker isn't an above average worker, I'm saying this notion that he's one of the greats is just wrong.
Just want to give my 2 cents on this. 'Taker as an in-ring worker is above average. With some classics in there and some dross. As a character he isn't overrated though.
Just to clear that bit up, I don't think the character is overrated, but the style that it leads to can be very limiting in terms of having great matches.
He has had poor matches of course, but the quality matches he puts on completely out weigh the crap matches with El Gigante or Vader... hes had timeless classics with Trips, Michaels (did they ever have a bad match?), Austin, Kane, Foley and Lesnar...
He's probably the most respected guy in or around the business in the last 20-30 years and there is good reason for that
I think he is incredible on the mic. I think you have undersold him a bit there.
Agreed, he still looks very awkward in the ring... think it was his WM match with Cena he near broke his neck doing that awkward slam he does... Cena landed very awkward from it!
His character is fine though but still needs to work on his in ring ability too I feel!