Not long started so still in 1995 and it's really cheesy.
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Not long started so still in 1995 and it's really cheesy.
Yeah this is how I see it, he joined a company he expected to be discreet and handle everything in house, only to the target of loads of leaks and on air shots from people threatened by his star power.
I wish Punk was able to avoid rising to the bait, but that's mostly for my own entertainment, as I thought he was consistently the best part of every show he was on during his AEW run, and collision was looking like a show I would really enjoy.
Holy shit. I don't really watch wrestling these days but went to this because my mate was desperate to go and his other mate dropped out. I was sitting very close to that side so you might have seen me (basically I'm an Andreas Pereira "if he had less money" lookalike).
We could have chatted FPL if I knew you were there
Ha! Yeah we could've gone over my wildcard team between matches
You Punk apologists are the oddest bunch btw. Keep the hot takes coming...
Punk is a loose cannon and should have been fired after the last clusterfeck with the Elite but Jungle Boy was out for trouble and got himself choked out, he decided to use the companies biggest ever event to ‘shoot’ on Punk? great idea
It’s what I said earlier about AEW the wrestlers both men and women are so unlikable I hate everything about the show.
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This is all you needed to say really and we can both agree on that.
He‘s completely ruined his legacy with this AEW run I doubt we will ever see him wrestle again
I can say this now that he has gone, but at All In MJF’s dad came back from the bar and instantly tapped us on the shoulder to ask us our opinion on CM Punk. He then proceeded to tell us he was a bit of a nutcase and to quote ‘damaged goods’.
The timing of it makes a lot more sense in hindsight as I imagine he had just found out about the backstage incident. I don’t think the man was very well liked and probably for the best he’s gone.
The timing of it makes a lot more sense in hindsight as I imagine he had just found out about the backstage incident. I don’t think the man was very well liked and probably for the best he’s gone.
That's certainly a take. Not a good one but a take nonetheless.
It's hilarious isn't it. I mean he'll surely just walk back into the WWE now won't he if the problem isn't with him. Who wouldn't want him?
I can only imagine punk apologist have never had to deal with someone like that in real life. Issue after issue and the common denominator is punk but it's everybody else's fault cus he's a draw? Mental. We just had the biggest wrestling show ever and all anyone can talk about is punk drama yet again. He obviously had to go. Maybe he goes back to WWE, who knows, but I honestly don't care if we never see punk again.
There were issues in AEW before Punk, and there will continue to be afterwards.
You guys don't like him, particularly Salford clearly, but you're both being deliberately disingenuous if you suggest that Punk kicked off out of nowhere.
He acted badly too, no doubt, and probably had to go by this point, but the situation could have been remedied so many times beforehand. That's my main frustration.
Yeah I'd agree with that.
The Punk "haters" are far more enthusiastic than the Punk "apologists" on here IMO.
They are saying he's been screwed over when he tried to attack his boss, told him he quits and then is fired after an investigation with the whole thing on tape. Delusional is the nicest way to put it. Lying might be more accurate
Ah yeah, was in the pits in 1995 and WCW not much better. That obviously gets better when NWO starts but WWF is mostly still crap for a good while yet.
Where I agree with you is that the situation should have been sorted before, Tony Khan has no backbone. He's a billionaire mark playing GM mode and ive said this before. But punk, anywhere he goes, is unnecessary drama and makes it all about him and his need to be a locker room leader.
He should have been gone after all out last year IMO. Despite his antics there he's been given every opportunity since and still finds ways to be a cnut, it's incredible.
I don't think you're being fair by ignoring the context around Punk and the drama, and disagree entirely with your framing of the situation, so we'll have to disagree on that.
As for Khan, I agree, he could have squashed this early, he could have squashed it after Hangman escalated it, he could have squashed it (and run a white hot program) after all out, he could have squashed the latest beef before all in, just horrible management all round.
Anyway as far as AEW goes, the Elite have won the power struggle and have a very firm grip on the company, and Tony, again. Great for their fans, horrible for those who preferred what Punk was doing.
Punk haters?
He has allegedly been involved in multiple physical altercations. This is putting it mildly. It doesn't matter that it's wrestling and backstage drama is run of the mill. It doesn't matter that Punk is a huge draw and pulls ratings. People should never feel unsafe in the workplace. They shouldn't have to worry about some lunatic blowing up because egos are bruised.
I do agree with the comments about how Khan/AEW should have squashed this earlier. There is undoubtedly people within AEW who have a vendetta against Punk. But violence is not the way to address this.
The evidence against Punk must be damning given they have managed to fire him in a week.
Punk is one of my all time favourites and I'm gutted it has reached this point. But he had to go. He's unhinged.
It's as hyperbolic as "apologists".
Im pretty sure everyone agrees that CM Punk is a bit of an arsehole (maybe a complete arsehole) and has blame in all the drama.
I don't actually care about CM Punk at all but it's been pretty obvious (to me at least) that a faction within AEW have been constantly and consistently leaking to the dirt sheets about him for quite a long time.
The "apologists" seem to think that other side deserve a portion of the blame , while the "haters" seem to believe it's all Punks fault.
WWF has literally nothing going for it at the moment, and the only thing good about WCW so far has been Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio making appearances.
If ECW made any sense and wasn't presented like Joey Styles' high school media project it'd probably be the best show by a country mile.
Its not a faction its a roster. He thought it was the Bucks leaking it to Meltzer, Meltzer has said it absolutely wasnt them and that he feels bad because what if he had reached out to Punk to assure him it wasnt him. Would it have changed the first incident? Regardless. You're going to have some leaks from a roster of that many people and Punk blamed the wrong people.
If WWF and WWE always had leaks and sources, why wouldnt AEW? Its an unreasonable expectation
So? Was he under oath in court or something? Or is it something that he just said?
He's a bit of a joke of a journalist to be honest mate (especially regarding AEW reporting) because it's patently obvious that he is biased toward certain people.
If you believe everything that he writes or says then fair enough but I absolutely don't.
It goes beyond just the leaks, it became overt, which escalated things. Hangman made comments that weren't agreed on camera, loads of social media stuff from the Elite's hanger-ons, who held roles in the company that allowed them to mess with Punk (like the travel stuff).
As for whatever Meltzer said, it can safely be ignored, he's been caught in multiple lies about Punk, and has a clear and obvious bias. He's effectively a part of the Elite's camp.
The thing is nobody needs to believe anything that's been said second hand with regards to Punk.
I saw with my own eyes him take a huge shit on the company that employed him after the All Out press conference. In any other business he'd have been gone then.
I also don't need to hear anything second hand to understand a statement from the company telling everyone that he was sacked "with cause" and then his boss going on TV to tell everyone that he felt himself and members of the crew were being put in danger by his recent outburst.
When you add all that to his behaviour historically, the numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for you at Sacerfice.
I saw with my own eyes him take a huge shit on the company that employed him after the All Out press conference. In any other business he'd have been gone then.
I also don't need to hear anything second hand to understand a statement from the company telling everyone that he was sacked "with cause" and then his boss going on TV to tell everyone that he felt himself and members of the crew were being put in danger by his recent outburst.
When you add all that to his behaviour historically, the numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for you at Sacerfice.
So you think Punk's guess based on nothing is better than someone who is a first party source
Sounds like your mental health is as stable as Punk's
Err can you point me to where I said that?
I just think Melzer is a joke of a journalist so I don't believe everything he says.
You must take this all very seriously (though you are proving my point about the "haters" being more "enthusiastic" so thanks for that).
I mean flippantly questioning someones mental health because they don't agree with your take on the credibility of a carny journalist is hilariously over the top (and don't take this as me being offended or "triggered" I think it's actually comical).
I don't care about any of it, I havent regularly watched wrestling since the late 90s.
I didn't watch WWE with Punk, without Punk or AEW with or without Punk so it's not changing my life.
Enjoy Dynamite.
Err can you point me to where I said that?
I just think Melzer is a joke of a journalist so I don't believe everything he says.
I mean flippantly questioning someones mental health because they don't agree with your take on the credibility of a carney journalist is hilariously over the top (and don't take this as me being offended or "triggered" I think it's actually comical).
I don't care about any of it, I havent regularly watched wrestling since the late 90s.
I didn't watch WWE with Punk, without Punk or AEW with or without Punk so it's not changing my life.
Enjoy Dynamite.
How does being a journalist have anything to do with this? He's talking about someone doing or saying something to him. Hes just a first party source regardless of what job he has.
Punk on the other hand has no insight no evidence and just a tin foil hat theory that was debunked after he already acted on it without any attempt to verify his gut. Its nonsense
Because a large portion of the (particularly) AEW fanbase seem to believe everything that Meltzer writes or says is pure fact (Once again that's just my perception of the online fanbase from my "limited" research) which is probably due to the fact he writes so glowingly about the product (not to mention his friends in the locker room).
Dave Meltzer denying that someone is a source doesn't mean that it's been debunked.
It just means he's denying it.
You are free to believe everything that Dave Meltzer says by the way.
He didnt say they arent a source.
He said that they didnt tell him this one thing. He says someone else told him it.
So you arent talking about whether Meltzer is a good reporter, you're talking about whether he's a liar. As a person not a reporter.
And you can call him that if you want, but at that point any first party source can be called a liar if you dont like what they say. I could call Punk a liar if he recounts something that happened at his 12th birthday party. I wasnt there, I have no idea. He was there. But I can call him a liar if I dont like what he says.
I know , it's obvious that they are one of his sources.
He is just alleging that they weren't his source for that story.
Which I don't have any reason to believe other than he said it, which doesn't give it any more credibility.
Well as a reporter he has a duty of care to his sources too so I hardly expect him to admit to any of his sources for inflammatory stories.
If he went around naming all his sources he wouldn't have any more.
I don't care if he lies to his audience, his fans or anyone else but I definitely don't take his news at face value.
His bias is obvious.
Or you could choose to believe him.. which you are doing with Meltzer, which is fine with me , I just don't.
Listen Meltzer is the biggest AEW and especially Elite mark on the planet. He lost whatever little credibility he had 4 years ago.
Like it’s generally embarrassing how he can even pretend to be partial at this point
Like it’s generally embarrassing how he can even pretend to be partial at this point
This doesnt make the slighest amount of sense. Why would he need to lie for someone he has been friends with for years, rather than do Punk a favour and have better coverage from both sides? The Bucks will be his sources regardless of whether he calls it down the middle or is overly generous to Punk's side which he says he has been.
If you're a journalist worrying about your sources, you want as much coverage as possible not just a friend and lying for them at the cost of all other sources
Is this a serious question?
It's because he's biased.
I doubt it.
Meltzer isn't attempting to be fair and just etc, he has his audience and he caters to them.
I agree, it's pretty obvious.
It's not a big deal and fair play to him because he makes a good living from it but I'm surprised to see people deny it.
Well he was there. You werent. Punk wasnt. Nobody else was. So unless you have another source at that point you're just making up what happened and anyone can do that, but not whilst passing as a reasonable person. You instead look like someone who decided on what you want to believe and are now coming up with some kind of story which other people might possibly believe to justify it. Again you can do it, just like someone can suggest the earth is flat or Elvis was abducted by aliens despite the evidence. Enjoy your people.
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Ah okay. So now you also personally know the Bucks. Well thats great, maybe they told you and you told Meltzer. Stop being a snitch
So unnecessary as usual
Yeah I'm lucky enough to be relatively mentally stable but I don't think I would enjoy reading flippant comments like that if I felt vulnerable about my mental health.
Meltzer has admitted within the last few weeks that he purposely didn’t report news because it would have been bad for the show (I think it was collision)