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It's honestly mental, he's by far their biggest draw. Unfortunately Collision, which was looking so good, is now likely to end up another Rampage-esque dumping ground.
I'm so glad I got to see him wrestle live, I saw Dynamite in Texas but he was on commentary.
What a typically dumb take.
This. Can't keep going around acting the billy big bollocks and starting shit with people over any minor perceived slight. 40+ yr old man acting like a teenager. A long period of self reflection is clearly needed.
CM Punk, one of the best wrestlers I have seen in this generation.
Phil Brooks, an unstable man child.
Phil Brooks, an unstable man child.
How’s it a dumb take? It’s a tag team who can’t draw ratings and jungle boy versus an actual needle mover and their top merch seller.
it’s like losing Hogan because he fell out with the British Bulldogs and Kamala.
Ah well, looking forward to Ricky Starks v Keith Lee now
None of that has any relevance to anything if he's committing assault backstage and can't control his temper.
I hope collision doesn't become dynamite 2.0 or extended rampage. I've liked the sillyness being away from collision and it having focus on bullet club, ftr, Starks, house of black etc.
Presentation, commentary has been great. Expecting that won't change but hopefully they keep it as close as possible to how it is
Presentation, commentary has been great. Expecting that won't change but hopefully they keep it as close as possible to how it is
Not often I say this, but I'm with cyberman here. The bucks I get to a certain extent, but Jack Perry is a nobody and will remain so given his complete lack of charisma.
Punk was the biggest star in AEW by a mile, moved something lime double the merchandise of the next highest seller, and while he didn't help himself with his reactions he had a legitimate grievance with the Elite and with Perry.
Of course it has relevant. .It should have been nipped in the bud months ago and they’ve lost a wrestler that WBD literally gave them a show for Tony to showcase him on. Now they have mid carders comfortable enough to goad him on air during their biggest ever show. Im not a fan of Punk but feck me they’ve completely walked him into this.
We are in September and there’a still no tv contract announced but I’m sure Jungle Boy Jack Perry v Hook and YBs v Dark Order will pick up the slack.
I’m not even talking about the constant Chicago shows they have on top of that. So many fans will switch the product off now because they’re as sulky as their mid 40s hero as they did with WWE
His contact was "terminated with cause". You can't just go around assaulting the people you work with. He was given a second chance that many thought he shouldn't have been given in the first place after taking a very public shit on the company that employed him. He was given his own show and by the sounds of it, a great deal of creative control and he still couldn't control his fragile ego from blowing up again.
You can't have somebody like that backstage. I don't care how popular they are or how much they draw. Surely you can see that?
I expect it will become exactly that, it's been the best wrestling show on TV for ages in my book but a lot of that was due to Punk's influence - with him gone the silliness and flippiness (which has gotten out of control recently) of the other shows is likely to find it's way back as that's all a lot of the roster know.
Erm yeah like I said none of that is relevant. But coming from the guy that was defending Vince McMahon after the sex misconduct cover up came out why am I not surprised.
Better late than never. Actually looking forward to Collision now 
Just carry on with Starks in Punk's role
Just carry on with Starks in Punk's roleThe biggest problem for him is that he was away for a very very key 7 years in the world - forget Wrestling. Backstage and workplace cultures have dramatically changed. He was almost certainly stuck in 2010 with how he handled himself backstage once in his comfort zone.
Most of this shit and petty fights were common place, but just, not so much anymore. Of course there's still animosity and massive egos, but how it's handled is totally different in 2021-2023 than 2010-14 and earlier, and he wasn't in a permanent workplace to go with those changes. Clearly showed.
Most of this shit and petty fights were common place, but just, not so much anymore. Of course there's still animosity and massive egos, but how it's handled is totally different in 2021-2023 than 2010-14 and earlier, and he wasn't in a permanent workplace to go with those changes. Clearly showed.
There have been physical altercations backstage at wrestling promotions since they existed, it's not new. Besides, the fragile ego thing applies to the Elite just as much.
Anyway I see this much more as a power struggle that Punk lost, because his admittedly combustible nature was targeted. He was silly to rise to Perry's bait, but it's still like firing Austin for having an altercation with Scotty 2 Hotty.
Exactly this. People are acting like this sort of behaviour is acceptable if you are a big draw. The owner of the company seems to think otherwise.
And it's not like it's a one off and they've moved on. This is a pattern of behaviour with him right through his career.
True. And other more real guys would have beat the crap out of him back then if he stepped out of line. Now with the change in culture his workmates hes disagreeing with are small and slim, so he obviously felt like he could take the role as the cowboy picking on people and the dressing room bully. Traditionally the stars do get treated differently. Whether they should is another question and he was given a 2nd chance and ruined it for himself
It used to be. And some companies still work like that. See UFC with McGreggor and Jones
But obviously there are huge drawbacks with morale and company loyalty if someone gets to be a tyrant and get away with it when others wouldnt. If Punk came back this time the next incident would have been wild because at that point hes invincible and they'll bring him back short of anything illegal.
The idea that Punk is the dressing room bully, when there's been a consistent campaign of whispers and leaks to paint him as the bad guy in order to undermine him, is nonsense. He's a hothead, no doubt, who was easily provoked into a couple of fights he should have avoided, but the "bullying" was from side that wanted him gone.
Nonsense. He wouldnt stop messing and mentioning people he had already wronged. He tried to strongarm AEW and choked himself out
I just don’t get AEW I can‘t connect to their roster I dislike the vast majority with a passion. I hate the Elite so that doesn’t help, Orange Cassidy must be one of the worst gimmicks I’ve ever seen, the women’s division is completely shit and the whole roster just comes across as a bunch of smug assholes. I suppose they paint their own picture with the weekly backstage drama stories and fights.
Fair play to selling out Wembley and I have watched a few very good matches from the AEW ppv’s but it’s just not for me it seems. It makes my blood boil.
Fair play to selling out Wembley and I have watched a few very good matches from the AEW ppv’s but it’s just not for me it seems. It makes my blood boil.
There isn't some elaborate conspiracy against Punk in AEW. Far too much smoke surrounding his time there. The amount of people that have negative things to say about him is nearly endless and that's including people from WWE.
He's assaulted multiple people. He had to go.
Making your blood boil seems a bit over the top. It's just wrestling.
Its still real to me dammit!
Depends where you're up to really cause WWE hit it's stride in 1998 and lost it when Austin turned in 2001 with mostly everything inbetween being wonderful. Even when certain things are shite it's got a whole feel - the attitude I guess - that makes it feel so incredibly exciting and so completely removed from the current product. Plus the nostalgia is just fecking wonderful.
Watching payback. Think they could cut the video packages down by a minute, still have the same content and give the match that time.
Nah that's rubbish, he was pretty much always responding to others going after him. Still, good for AEW, thowing away their biggest draw by a country mile and torpedoing their new show. Great stuff.
It wasn't elaborate, but it was definitely there. He was an existential threat to various folks' spots, coming in as such a huge name with a very different idea as to what a wrestling show should look like. Rumours and leaks to pretend journalists like Meltzer started early, which then ramped up massively and also became taking shots on camera.
And you keep saying assaulted. At best you mean "allegedly assaulted after provocation", but really you mean "fought with", given that one involved a bunch of people bursting into his changing room to confront him, and the other involved Perry chest bumping him.
Tbf I think TK made the right decision. No one person is bigger than the company. If as he says, his safety was at risk, he had to do it.
And remember, TK was a huge fan of Punk. He gave him loads of leeway.
Draw or not, it's irrelevant if Punk did something that resulted in the firing being the decision.
And remember, TK was a huge fan of Punk. He gave him loads of leeway.
Draw or not, it's irrelevant if Punk did something that resulted in the firing being the decision.
The right decision was squashing this over a year ago, but you're probably right for right now. It was an untenable situation.
I'm just really really disappointed.
I have AEW and WWE on at the minute. AEW opened with Tony Khan explaining he has fired Punk, and said Punk endangered people backstage including those in production and people who had nothing to do with the situation. He went on to say he felt his security, safety and life was in danger for the first time in 30 years attending, and 4 years promoting wrestling.
The intriguing thing about this for me is why it needed a week long investigation. Unless it was all legal stuff (the mention of outside legal counsel). Assuming the decision was made and they needed to find a way to end the contract (possibly explain it to the network) as well
Holy shit. I don't really watch wrestling these days but went to this because my mate was desperate to go and his other mate dropped out. I was sitting very close to that side so you might have seen me (basically I'm an Andreas Pereira "if he had less money" lookalike).
We could have chatted FPL if I knew you were there
The cage match at Payback was awesome between Trish and becky
Punk needs some help, but make no mistake about it, this whole thing is down to bad management and an immature and cocky locker room.
The Elite and their ilk will be the end of AEW, even though they may feel it is cause for celebration now. They are pampered primadonnas who have no maturity or desire to learn and grow as performers.
Khan needed to control his EVPs and have real consequences for unprofessionalism, but he allowed Adam Page to go off script and provoke, he allowed the horrible Bucks to go out and make fun of botched spots on air, and he has allowed a nobody like Jungle Boy to go out and provoke once again, on air, in the same way that kicked everything off to begin with.
Those with influence are running a niche product that will never grow and they will be allowed to continue to do so because of weak management.
Punk is oversensitive and needs to take a serious look at himself and how he has consistently allowed himself to rise to provocation, but the problem children are still very much in the company.
The Elite and their ilk will be the end of AEW, even though they may feel it is cause for celebration now. They are pampered primadonnas who have no maturity or desire to learn and grow as performers.
Khan needed to control his EVPs and have real consequences for unprofessionalism, but he allowed Adam Page to go off script and provoke, he allowed the horrible Bucks to go out and make fun of botched spots on air, and he has allowed a nobody like Jungle Boy to go out and provoke once again, on air, in the same way that kicked everything off to begin with.
Those with influence are running a niche product that will never grow and they will be allowed to continue to do so because of weak management.
Punk is oversensitive and needs to take a serious look at himself and how he has consistently allowed himself to rise to provocation, but the problem children are still very much in the company.
This was a crazy fun tag title match. Just brilliant
Payback has been great so far. That tag title match was lot of fun
Any real boss would have fired executives on the spot for going to the press and intentionally trying to ruin the reputation of the highest profile public facing person in the business. Rather than that he let them burst into his space when he was clearly distressed and do so heavy handed and very aggressively. Any proper boss would have set a culture where his rules were followed and the people who were meant to ensure them didn't go to CM Punk to ask him to help then let the person trying to break them publicly insult him.
Stop trying to act like this is a normal workplace. He was placed in absurd positions, whether he dealt with them perfectly or not you are painting a picture of him which is fundamentally untrue.
I don't see it with Raquel, even when she was in nxt.
Really enjoyed payback. Few of the matches over delivered imo