Are the Ascension part time too then? And breezango?
Well yeah, but she literally isn't part time.
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Are the Ascension part time too then? And breezango?
Well yeah, but she literally isn't part time.
They play more matches than her, but yeah they aren't active and expectedly not in frame for any title shots.
A good counterpart to compare her with is Daniel Bryan, who (re) joined at the same stage and has fought all the time since despite needing more care by the writers given his injury. Ronda has done sweet feck all though, and that's because one is a wrestler and the other is just a big name attraction seemingly signed to only perform for big events.
So yeah, she is literally a part timer.
Having Rousey in random matches on Raw would be pretty daft. I agree with @SalfordRed18 in terms of her not being part time. Shes showed up and been there, but WWE have just used her in a way to make her matches more meaningful when they do happen and more of an attraction.
I kinda wish they did that with a few others though.
I kinda wish they did that with a few others though.
So she's part time, then.
Put whatever spin you want but she's basically given a similar booking to Brock Lesnar.
Isnt that essentially what Lesnar do all this time?
She’s definitely there more than Lesnar.
I see it as a combination of 2 things,
1) making her early matches more meaningful.
2) allowing her to continue to train and learn her trade.
I think there’s an argument for her being part time at the moment, but I think that will change over time.
She doesn’t do house shows (as far as I know?) so at the minute, I’d agree she’d be classed as part time. But I think that’s due to them wanting to keep her as a secret weapon, rather than her demands, as it appears to be with Brock.
1. Whats sort of merit he got that title match? Its her taking it for granted.
2. He can learn by having a match in shows. You can point out having a match at Performance Center but having a match in front of audience would be meaningfull because its all that matter.
The merit for her getting a title shot is her being the biggest star. Its simple as that.
I see part time as somebody that doesnt even show up all the time. Rousey has been on pretty much every Raw post Mania. Her wrestling or just doing a run in / promo, is still appearing.
I see part time as somebody that doesnt even show up all the time. Rousey has been on pretty much every Raw post Mania. Her wrestling or just doing a run in / promo, is still appearing.
So why give her a title match? Which is what the root of the issue is. For whatever reason she is seen as a part timer at least until she builds up her match cards. Putting the belt on her and Brock is akin to retiring the titles for another Yea for s
She's not wrestling though. So she's a part timer. Same way Kurt is a part time Wrestler and still appears on every show.
Youve changed the goal posts. Being a part-timer and being a part-time wrestler are different. Im not arguing the latter, im arguing the former.
You even said the following:
which I think is untrue. Curt Hawkins shows attendance - im pretty sure he will be seen as dedicated part of the roster.
I saw a report from supposed insider that they don’t want to put her in a MITB match which makes sense. They needed to put her in some sort of match but were initially holding off giving her a title shot till summer slam but they’ve had to bring it forward. I don’t think she’ll win, don’t think it’ll be a clean loss for her tho, Something will happen like @Sylar suggested above with Nattie is my prediction then we’ll get that feud for a while.
I'm sure he is. I'm sure Ronda is. They dont work many matches though so they shouldn't be anywhere near a title contention.
I'm on a wrestling break again but still listen to the odd wrestling podcast. I was listening to Stone Cold talk about his appearance on RAW 25 where he mentioned a promo he did. I had no idea he did a promo after his segment with Vince and Shane and had to watch - I loved it. T'was a better promo than pretty much anyone in the business could cut today. I think what made me enjoy it more was the behind the scenes stuff that Austin talked about with said promo, too. Still, anything with Austin is great for me!
The other thing I loved is on Bryan's interview on Talk is Jericho he mentioned how, after his initial neck injury when he was WHC in 2014, Stone Cold called him to talk about adjusting his style when returning out of the blue. They're my two favourites of all time so I loved that. I remember when I listened to Bryan on Austin's podcast - I was marking out the entire time.
The other thing I loved is on Bryan's interview on Talk is Jericho he mentioned how, after his initial neck injury when he was WHC in 2014, Stone Cold called him to talk about adjusting his style when returning out of the blue. They're my two favourites of all time so I loved that. I remember when I listened to Bryan on Austin's podcast - I was marking out the entire time.
Are you sure? You werent before lol
Nah but seriously, I get ya. But I also get why WWE are doing it. It makes sense in terms of a marquee match for MITB. Her first singles match is a title match at a PPV. There will be people watching for that reason.
This has probably been covered before but I can't be arsed to trawl through the thread. Anyone else listen to The Lapsed Fan podcast? Hands down my favourite wrestling podcast at the moment, the emphasis of the podcast being five words.
It Used To Be Better
Brilliant stuff.
It Used To Be Better
Brilliant stuff.
I've listened to a lot of them. I do like the level of depth they go into but they can be pretty irritating at times and I do think they look at everything through rose tinted glasses. I prefer Atitude Era podcast for looking back at that period.
'83 Weeks' with Bischoff is new but good. Co-hosted by the ubiquitous Conrad Thompson.
I'd agree but I find The Attitude Era guys far more annoying. Some of their (TLF) stuff is way over the top, I agree but the level of detail they go into is brilliant. Their recent Bruno Sammartino tribute was exceptionally well researched.
Seeing Flash Morgan Webster on a WWE product was bizarre. That man has the coolest gimmick in wrestling.
God bless Rusev...
Noticed Ronda has actually worked a house show this week after we were all discussing her part time/full time status.
Rusev came to my workplace the other day. So funny
As said she's attending everything
Just depends on when wwe want her to wrestle
Been on a Hell In a Cell Bing tonight.
Did the six man from Armageddon 2000, just a complete feck fest to the end of the WWF's biggest and best year. Austin, Rock, Taker, Trips, Angle and even Rikishi all going all out.
Brock v Taker at No mercy 2002. This match gets nowhere near the love it deserves. It's probably the best cell match ever done. They used the cell (as opposed to it being a street fight in a cage) and is just brutal. So much blood as well and the right man definitely goes over.
Did the six man from Armageddon 2000, just a complete feck fest to the end of the WWF's biggest and best year. Austin, Rock, Taker, Trips, Angle and even Rikishi all going all out.
Brock v Taker at No mercy 2002. This match gets nowhere near the love it deserves. It's probably the best cell match ever done. They used the cell (as opposed to it being a street fight in a cage) and is just brutal. So much blood as well and the right man definitely goes over.
Is that the one the undertaker wins with dragon choke?
There is one of their hell in the cell matches and I don’t know why I always remember this but they do a sequence where they do like this backflip lift transition. Always been impressed by how two such big men could do such a thing.
The dragon coke is from Hell in a cell 2015 I think, definitely not No Mercy. I haven't watched HIAC 15 it in a long time but remember enjoying it when I last watched it.
The sequence you are thinking about could be in Hell in a cell 2002 at No Mercy. Taker goes for the Tombstone and Brock reverses it into a Tombstone...then flips him into the F-5 for a perfect finish and the pin. Brilliant ending and really made Brock look like a monster, even more so after he had destroyed Hogan on Smackdown and beat The Rock at Summerslam 2002.
Brocks first run was so enjoyable. The matches he had with the different types of opponents were great. Whether it was Hardys, RVD, Taker, Rock, Angle, Eddie.
All fantastic (til he didnt give a F against Goldberg lol)
All fantastic (til he didnt give a F against Goldberg lol)
Yes because she hasn't been working televised matches.
I think you're getting mixed up in my implication here. I am not implying she has a part time contract or that she's half arsed like Lesnar is. I'm saying she is a part timer in the sense of her being too green to work any matches at this stage.
It makes no sense whatsoever to give her the title this early. But it's WWE so feck it. I've almost stopped watching it all together after the shit show they've put together in recent months anyway.
Slightly off the current topic but for the most part they've been putting on that same shit show for years now. The main reason the majority of people keep watching is out of habit and hope.
I genuinely thought there was a massive improvement in the brand split. For a good year too, where KO was champion, Seth was feuding with HHH all year and Smackdown was flourishing with Styles & Co. It went to shits since the first redraft onwards and from the time Goldberg took the title.
They havent given her the title yet.
And when Road dogg took over SD
Orton became champ and feuded with Jinder at the top of the program (and Jinder being racist to Nakamura). ugh.
I know but my original point from a few pages back was based on the premise that she would get from nia this early (as shite as nia is as champion).
Part timer doing run of the mill house shows yeah?
I see what you're saying, perhaps you should use different terminology though. Part time implies something else completely in my eyes.
Oh yes all very stupid fueds.!
For me however the killer blow is putting the title on the bench + putting stars on a pedistel. If Reigns beats all bar Brock, and Brock beats everyone in the 3 fights he has or whatever, why the feck is there any interest?
Put Joe, Reigns, Lashley, Brawn in the same bucket and make them put each other over. Save Brock if you really want to but he has to occasionally put a full timer over. Who was the last full timer Brock had actually put over? Does Cena count? If so that's like 4 years ago or something FFS.
Exactly the same as me. Taker, Cena, Brock are part time.
Ronda being on every show is not part time, whether she wrestles or not. Props to her btw. She looks likes shes genuinely having fun being there. Hope its the same by the time WM next year rolls around.
I guess WWE know they gotta book her strong which really helps.
I do wonder if she travels with them, changes with them, etc. though dont care that much to check lol.
Agree. Looking at WWE roster its fckin amazing. Look at the talent they have:
Braun, Joe, AJ, Rollins, Reigns, Nakamura, KO, Lashley, Rusev, Daniel Bryan
Cena, Orton too as the part timeish vets.
You can even add Cesaro, Sheamus, Bray, Mcyintyre but they are all involved in tag right now so could skip them.
But above you have a huge plethora of talent that you could easily say there are at least 4 for each brand who should be fighting for the top titles, whilst they could also be used to elevate others to that level.
Its the booking which always lets the company down.
Also I think Brock has been beaten by Cena, Taker, HHH, Goldberg since hes returned.
I just want to add, by having an elite bracket of heavyweights actually putting each other over you make the show a lot more interesting. In the early 2000s this helped a lot (Kurt can beat jericho. Jericho can beat rock. Rock can beat Austin etc).
You develop more believable storylines and you immediately hype up other major events like Summerslam and Backlash or Royal Rumble because you think "feck Joe can actually beat Brawn here" or something like that.
Right now if we take Joe, because Reigns and Brock are untouchable he's lost 3/3 against them. So now when he cuts promos about how he will dominate and lives by his word, I can't buy it. Because its dogshite. And that really pisses me off because Jo is bloody brilliant on the mic. It's like we need another cm punk moment where a superstar just calls the shit writing out.
You develop more believable storylines and you immediately hype up other major events like Summerslam and Backlash or Royal Rumble because you think "feck Joe can actually beat Brawn here" or something like that.
Right now if we take Joe, because Reigns and Brock are untouchable he's lost 3/3 against them. So now when he cuts promos about how he will dominate and lives by his word, I can't buy it. Because its dogshite. And that really pisses me off because Jo is bloody brilliant on the mic. It's like we need another cm punk moment where a superstar just calls the shit writing out.