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Great match there between Rollins and Valor.
So is Taker vs Cena on or what? surely he’s gonna turn up at Mania but weird how they haven’t made the match official beforehand.
Damn, just watching it now and that Balor vs Rollins match. Heck that was good.
Leaving Taker and Cena a bit late, not sure what the plan is... Cena going to be sat in the front row in wrestling gear all night and Undertaker decides to come out and accept the challenge out of nowhere?
I think this adds more fuel to the 'American Badass' fire if they don't want to spoil the surprise by having him show up prior to the event.
I think this adds more fuel to the 'American Badass' fire if they don't want to spoil the surprise by having him show up prior to the event.
Really hope not.
It would be great if Taker accepted on Smackdown as that used to be his house.
I would put that match as either the hot opener or the starting match in the second hour.
Do wanna see American Badass taker though. Leave deadman part alone given that loss to Reigns.
Is HHH losing at WM? Or is Rousey turning heel?
Not pumped for Wrestlemania at all. They've made a cock up of all cards and buildups. There's not a single match out there which has a buildup that fans are massively invested in. Plus there's too many part timer cards and an unnecessary level of quantity over quality on show. Shame.
I disagree. I think Reigns/Brock has been built really well, to the point that Reigns was cheered last night. The IC triple threat should be great, especially with the Finn/Seth match last night. I’m looking forward to the SD tag match too. Also, I think Nia/Alexa has been built well, although im not really invested in that match.
There is intrigue around a lot of matches.. what happens with taker? How will Rousey get on? Who will be Braun’s partner? How will D-Bry look? Will he turn heel? Will Carmella cash in?
I think AJ/Nakamura and Asuka/Charlotte will be great, but I agree they could’ve been built better.
I think they’ve handled part timers a lot better than in recent years too. There’s only really Taker/Cena(?)/HHH/Steph/Kurt that I can think of and they’re all contained in 2 matches. Sure, Ronda’s first match didn’t need to be against HHH/Steph, but as if it was ever not going to involved Steph.. they’ve been putting themselves in the most high profile spots for years.
Shane too, as a part timer, but his match makes perfect sense, IMO.
They've forced fit taker and cena, a match that takes place almost 10 years too late. There has been no dialogue between the two and Undertaker can't put on a good match anymore as seen last year.
The WWE universal title will, yet again, be headlined by a part timer. There has been no real clash between the two heavyweights up until yesterday and 2 weeks ago all year. That's because brock is a part timer who won't turn up to shit. No one can get invested in that.
Kurt has been given absolutely no credibility as a manager whatsoever. He's not been authoritative or any sort of angle that shows he is standing toe to toe against the authority whatsoever. Steph and HHH in a tag match is utterly garbage because 1) we know the outcome and 2) steph has taken away a wrestlemania moment from an actual talent. And the same goes for HHH. Yet again.
The triple threat is too playful and there's no real bitter rivalry across any of them. Seth and Finn have been terribly underwhelming in their promo work and it's a match carried solely by Miz by way of any build up.
I've been an avid fan of wwe across the years but this is ultimate garbage. I'm glad I opted not to go to New Orleans this year.
The build up has been nothing but average. Maybe wwe should rename wrestlemania as part-timers mania. The mixed tag match does good for no one, no consequence just like any other hhh match in recent years. Do we even remember any follow up done after seth pushing stephanie to the table and beating hhh last mania, nothing. Just match, match match no follow up.
Even then I am intrigued to see how they book this mania. Bryan's return will be worth watching. Smackdown title match(whose booking has also been terrible) will be amazing. Roman brock should be good and can't wait for the part time brock to leave. Triple threat for the ic title should be good.Taker kicking cena's sorry ass will be good. So there are things that should hold audience together.
Even then I am intrigued to see how they book this mania. Bryan's return will be worth watching. Smackdown title match(whose booking has also been terrible) will be amazing. Roman brock should be good and can't wait for the part time brock to leave. Triple threat for the ic title should be good.Taker kicking cena's sorry ass will be good. So there are things that should hold audience together.
The build has not been great, but when is it nowadays? It is a super stacked card though, albeit a tad bloated, and I should enjoy watching NXT and Wrestlemania over several days. How good Mania ultimately will be will depend upon the right matches getting the right amount of time. Styles/Nakamura, Bryan/McMahon vs Owens/Zayn and Flair/Asuka should be given a fair amount of time, all at least twenty minutes. The US Title match and Bliss/Jax should be kept short. Eleven matches on a five hour main show should be sufficient for timing.
The thing I'm hoping for the most is that Lesnar takes his podgy red faced part time shit match no effort gormless gimpy self back to UFC afterwards to get the crap kicked out of him.
Jeez are you ever happy about anything?
I think its a pretty decent card all around.
WWE has been dogshite since the recent draft. It was just a lot lot better before that is all.
I reckon Cena will call him out again at Wrestlemania and then the American bad ass will ride down to the ring on his Harley.
Very strange that they haven’t made it official yet but it’s 100% gonna happen,
On the whole its been poor for years but im happy enough with the card. Plus we have both nxt and supercard of honour this weekend so i am doubley excited
Outside of HHH there isn't an issue with the card itself. Its just the build up and rivalries have been piss poor.
I just don't feel that invested in it. Its nothing like how it was, even in recent history times. The Seth vs Randy fued, or Bryan vs HHH, or even Rusev vs Cena. Those recent Mania matches had serious build up and rivalries brewing months with interesting angles.
This year has feck all. Only Owens and Zayne have any sort of layers to it. Taker and Cena is flat AF, Steph and Angle are about as interesting as a doormat, Finn/Seth have been thrown in out of a lack of ideas of anything else to do by the writers and it's showing. It's all a mish mash. You don't feel for the wrestlers, you don't much care for the titles on show (only Miz has sold his title), the promos are generally far from on point too.
Cena is literally just calling Undertaker a chicken and buggering off (the man is almost 60 and done everything. At least make a promo logical ffs), Angle stutters and botches his lines with Ronda doing the same, Seth/Finn have no chemistry and so on. It's all a bit meh. I found myself relentlessly tuning in for YouTube recaps of the show but now it's Tuesday and I forget to catch up on Raw.
Fecking annoying that my two start of the week shows have been a pile of piss for ages (Walking Dead being the other one
)Cena's being a bit dumb, isn't he? He's constantly calling 'Taker out on RAW when his home is SmackDown.
I can't stand Cena but Reigns' push makes Cena's decade of hell look, well, not alright by any means, but still. They've used Lesnar's 2nd stint and 'Taker's streak by association to get him over, they used Bryan at the peak of his popularity to put him over, they've had Ambrose and Rollins (two talents I'm not even a fan of) spend 90% of their WWE career trying to get him over and it's just so off-putting.
I can't stand Cena but Reigns' push makes Cena's decade of hell look, well, not alright by any means, but still. They've used Lesnar's 2nd stint and 'Taker's streak by association to get him over, they used Bryan at the peak of his popularity to put him over, they've had Ambrose and Rollins (two talents I'm not even a fan of) spend 90% of their WWE career trying to get him over and it's just so off-putting.Outside of HHH there isn't an issue with the card itself. Its just the build up and rivalries have been piss poor.
I just don't feel that invested in it. Its nothing like how it was, even in recent history times. The Seth vs Randy fued, or Bryan vs HHH, or even Rusev vs Cena. Those recent Mania matches had serious build up and rivalries brewing months with interesting angles.
This year has feck all. Only Owens and Zayne have any sort of layers to it. Taker and Cena is flat AF, Steph and Angle are about as interesting as a doormat, Finn/Seth have been thrown in out of a lack of ideas of anything else to do by the writers and it's showing. It's all a mish mash. You don't feel for the wrestlers, you don't much care for the titles on show (only Miz has sold his title), the promos are generally far from on point too.
Cena is literally just calling Undertaker a chicken and buggering off (the man is almost 60 and done everything. At least make a promo logical ffs), Angle stutters and botches his lines with Ronda doing the same, Seth/Finn have no chemistry and so on. It's all a bit meh. I found myself relentlessly tuning in for YouTube recaps of the show but now it's Tuesday and I forget to catch up on Raw.
Fecking annoying that my two start of the week shows have been a pile of piss for ages (Walking Dead being the other one
WhatCulture did this video which I think spells out the problem WWE have at the minute.
Basically the biggest take I got from it is that the wrestlers are literally just memes and soundbites now. It's hard to build a convincing story between anyone when they don't even really have a character. Promos have basically become the new spot fests and it's all rinse and repeat over and over again because of the insane micromanagement and scripting of everything from promos to commentary. I seriously dislike Michael Cole but you can almost hear him dying when he says THE BIG DAWGGGGG over and over because it's not natural and he's probably just done with it now.
Give the talent a licence to just be themselves and see what comes of it. If something needs tightening up and polishing then speak to them afterwards but seen as we've moved away from the gimmicks to become the 'human era' then let them be human, let them be natural and let them make mistakes instead of reading from a poorly written script. WWE writers aren't going to win an Oscar or an Emmy anytime soon so why rely on them to deliver such an awful product?
Undertaker will turn up on SD I feel. It's his house, Cena is a free agent so can be on either show and it gives SD a hot cheer, which it needs and is the last thing people will remember before WM.
Completely makes sense of they do it
Completely makes sense of they do it
I kind of think if say Smackdown had Balor, Rollins, AJ, Samoa Joe, Zayne and KO as there main stable of top end wrestlers it would be epic. Too much of WWE’s focus is on making Reigns look good and it’s just boring.
They have this amazing group of talent and are really just failing to deliver. All those guys have like an Indy sort of coolness about them and if they were sort of left to do their own thing, I think that lot would put on some epic shows and decent stories.
In a way PG WWE has in a way ruined the quality of the product.
Surely the Undertaker shows up on Smackdown, has to. They surely can’t have this match just randomly apeer at Mania. I’d even take some sort of black out lightning thing.
They have this amazing group of talent and are really just failing to deliver. All those guys have like an Indy sort of coolness about them and if they were sort of left to do their own thing, I think that lot would put on some epic shows and decent stories.
In a way PG WWE has in a way ruined the quality of the product.
Surely the Undertaker shows up on Smackdown, has to. They surely can’t have this match just randomly apeer at Mania. I’d even take some sort of black out lightning thing.
I was tempted to subscribe to the network for Wrestlemania, until I saw the card. I was interested in seeing Bryan's return and Rousey's debut, but I'm not paying to watch HHH and Stephanie book themselves into someone else's momentum, again. Some decent looking matches on the rest of the card, but think I'll leave it.
For me only the matches of Bryan, Miz and Nakamura look interesting.
Although with KO and Zayn supposedly being "fired" according to the storyline if they lose, you now know they will either go over (killing any guess work) or find a way of keeping their jobs (making the stipulation pointless) .
Im still laughing at how Stephanie went through a table last year and it was completely forgotten the following week. WWE really do know how to follow a story through..
What do you mean forgotten?
Vince mentioned she was injured the next night and wouldn’t be seen for a while. What else are you expecting? She wasn’t seen again till November which was good as Raw is boring with her.
There was zero reference to what Seth did after, no moments between Seth and Stephanie/HHH since.
It's not as terrible as KO not getting anything from Vince following the beat down but forgotten nonetheless..
As for Raw getting boring with her, the entire angle has been a bore fest for years now. Since early days of DB. Surprised they are still sticking through with the same theme this year.
Gonna enjoy the whole thing (though will probably openly complain about it the entire way through) but I'm pretty sure the only great wrestling match will be AJ v Nakamura.
Charlotte v Asuka has potential tbf because they're both very good but I don't think the way it'll be booked will allow it.
Good job I was never a wrestling fan, more an entertainment with some fighting and lots of weapons and blood fan then. Cause the wrestling is terrible in WWE.
Charlotte v Asuka has potential tbf because they're both very good but I don't think the way it'll be booked will allow it.
Good job I was never a wrestling fan, more an entertainment with some fighting and lots of weapons and blood fan then. Cause the wrestling is terrible in WWE.
It's odd they're still doing the "authority" angle. It should've ended at WM30. It'd have been like carrying on with the WWF vs the alliance storyline after Survivor Series 2001.
Shouldn't supprise anyone, it's the same storyline they have been doing for 20 years now. Since Austin/mcmahon there has always been an authority figure fueding with talent.
Evening everyone. Just got back into wrestling after a long break. What’s happened to Orton? He seems to have dropped massively down the cards.
He had a small run as world champion, he won the belt from Bray Wyatt at last years Wrestlemania, then dropped it to Jinder Mahal. Main reason why he is the US Champion as it it the only belt he hadn’t won the WWE so it made him a Grand Slam champion
Mainly because for a few years he has a massive habit of doing the bare minimum. He hasn't had a great match in years and still has all the personality of an ironing board.
Yeah, but Vince kept it fresh or at least interesting. All Steph has is a bitch slap up her sleeve. She's terribly underwhelming.
I feared it, hoped it wouldn't happen, but it has.
We're going to have to sit through at least a few hours of John Cena at ringside watching the show 'as a fan', with the camera panning to his reactions during and after every match. Eventually, once Kid Rock perform whatever song mid-show, he'll have had enough and step into the ring, calling out The Undertaker one last time. Kid Rock plays the American Badass theme and Undertaker comes down the unnecessarily long ramp on his motorcycle to accept Cena's challenge.
As for the other matches, I think it'll be a bad night for the Champions. I expect Lesnar, Styles, Miz, The Bar, The Usos, and Charlotte to all lose their respective titles, with only Alexa and possibly Randy Orton retaining (though I'm hoping for a Rusev win). I think the favourite for the men's Battle Royal is Dolph Ziggler unless we see an NXT star pushed, or they use it as a climax of Bray / Hardy. As for the women, I would fancy it to come down to Sasha and Bayley to end their rivalry, with Bayley taking it. Although, my preference for a winner would be Becky Lynch.
Kurt and Rousey win.
I think Daniel Bryan should be victorious on his return, but I can see a heel turn from Shane to allow the rehiring of Owens and Zayn. Although, maybe we'll just get the DB & Shane win with Owens and Zayn both shifting to Raw.
We're going to have to sit through at least a few hours of John Cena at ringside watching the show 'as a fan', with the camera panning to his reactions during and after every match. Eventually, once Kid Rock perform whatever song mid-show, he'll have had enough and step into the ring, calling out The Undertaker one last time. Kid Rock plays the American Badass theme and Undertaker comes down the unnecessarily long ramp on his motorcycle to accept Cena's challenge.
As for the other matches, I think it'll be a bad night for the Champions. I expect Lesnar, Styles, Miz, The Bar, The Usos, and Charlotte to all lose their respective titles, with only Alexa and possibly Randy Orton retaining (though I'm hoping for a Rusev win). I think the favourite for the men's Battle Royal is Dolph Ziggler unless we see an NXT star pushed, or they use it as a climax of Bray / Hardy. As for the women, I would fancy it to come down to Sasha and Bayley to end their rivalry, with Bayley taking it. Although, my preference for a winner would be Becky Lynch.
Kurt and Rousey win.
I think Daniel Bryan should be victorious on his return, but I can see a heel turn from Shane to allow the rehiring of Owens and Zayn. Although, maybe we'll just get the DB & Shane win with Owens and Zayn both shifting to Raw.
Seems like im the only one actually looking forward to Mania due to the matches announced.
Build has been meh, but the actual talent / matches has so much potential.
Saying that, from a WWE perspective, Gargano vs Ciampa could / should be the best match of the weekend.
Build has been meh, but the actual talent / matches has so much potential.
Saying that, from a WWE perspective, Gargano vs Ciampa could / should be the best match of the weekend.
I'm the same. How can you not be excited just by AJ vs Nakamura, and if just a couple of some of the other matches, like Asuka/Charlotte, Cedric/Ali or the IC triple threat live it up to expectations then I'd consider it a pretty good mania even if we end on Roman getting booed yet again.
No you arent.
Pretty excited for this one. I was sold on simply AJ v Nakamura..but Cena v Taker is one of those big time Wrestlemania matches that one just has to see(its basically this generation's Rock v Hogan in that it will not be a tactical masterpiece, but just the fact that the match is happening is enough). The return of the Bryan too. Braun on the card who is one of the best things on WWE tv.
I think it will be a really good show and I expect at least one if not two 4.5 star matches. Possibly even more.
Alexa retaining would be in as much bad taste as HHH beating Booker T. Can't do the storyline they have done and not have Jax win.
I'll take a returning Joe for the men's Battle Royal and Bayley for the women's to trigger a Banks heel turn, really kick-starting their feud.
You’re not. I’m really looking forward to it. I’ve been tempted to stay up, but an early start at work, plus kids waking up at about 6am on Monday morning makes it a bad idea, but we’ll see how excited I am on Sunday night!