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Sylar said:
I thought this about Bayley and Sami Zayn until they got called up...
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I still think Sami Zayn is .. I still think he could be a huge babyface even now if they pushed him and used him right (not that they will, but I still think he's salvageable).

Bayley they've ruined though.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I still think Sami Zayn is .. I still think he could be a huge babyface even now if they pushed him and used him right (not that they will, but I still think he's salvageable).

Bayley they've ruined though.
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I prefer heel zayn tbh. Mega face zayn is low key annoying.
 
Yeah, Bayley seemed like a pretty simple case, keep her as the biggest babyface in the company and don't book her into obscurity. The kendo stick match with Alexa Bliss was the point where all hope was lost.
 
Her losing in her home town against Bayley.
In fact making her win the title against Charlotte just before WM was daft too (to end the streak a month before WM). Mad.
 
Sylar said:
Her losing in her home town against Bayley.
In fact making her win the title against Charlotte just before WM was daft too (to end the streak a month before WM). Mad.
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Bayley's graph in WWE was started in a very stupid note. She should have been given the "Daniel Bryan" treatment with Sasha turning heel on her.
Heel Sasha was a key element, but for whatever weird reason, they are making her a daft babyface despite her being the A-hole of the highest order.

And yes she should have won the title in WM, but they ruined it. that match at WM had such potential to be a show stealer but alas they ruined it.
 
Blind said:
Yeah, Bayley seemed like a pretty simple case, keep her as the biggest babyface in the company and don't book her into obscurity. The kendo stick match with Alexa Bliss was the point where all hope was lost.
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Bayley suffered from horribly inconsistent booking.

She came in hot, billed as a very able competitor and a real threat to a dominant Charlotte, culminating in her winning the RAW Women's Title, ending Charlotte's PPV streak, and retaining at Wrestlemania by going over Charlotte, Sasha and Nia.

They then followed this up by having her lose her title to Bliss relatively clean, which would have been fine had Bliss' entire run on Smackdown not been almost entirely reliant on dirty tactics and help from others. This was then compounded by that awful run up to the kendo-stick-on-a-pole match that saw Bayley pathetically refuse to use the weapon, ultimately losing the match.

Within 9 months she went from being feared by a dominant Charlotte on her debut as Sasha's mystery partner, to beating Charlotte, Nia and Sasha at Wrestlemania to retain the RAW Women's Title, to pretty much crying because she might have to use a weapon to win a match in which obtaining said weapon was a key stipulation.

She went from never-say-die, tenacious babyface, to pathetic, whiny loser for no real reason, and that's what's killed her off for the time being.
 
WWE take most of the blame but Bayley being one of the worst promos on the roster helped kill her too.

She is terrible on the mic, shitty script or not.
 
Bayleys talking style was fine in NXT though cos it was endearing. Her talking style in WWE makes her seem like a chump given the actions of her character and the way shes booked.
Some of the wwe.com and social media stuff theyve done with her seems more natural however.

Agreed with @Alex99 Her feud with Alexa basically killed her.
 
Sylar said:
Bayleys talking style was fine in NXT though cos it was endearing. Her talking style in WWE makes her seem like a chump given the actions of her character and the way shes booked.
Some of the wwe.com and social media stuff theyve done with her seems more natural however.

Agreed with @Alex99 Her feud with Alexa basically killed her.
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I don't know why they thought bringing her in hot off the back of her NXT popularity was a good idea if they wanted to revisit the Bayley that doubts herself angle. The angle itself could have worked if it were the build up to her first title win on the main roster, but to do it after she's already beaten Charlotte for the title, retained and ended her PPV streak, and also retained in a match that featured Charlotte, Nia and Sasha at Wrestlemania made absolutely no sense, and made her look insanely weak.

She's not a great promo, but plenty of people have been near the top of the card and not been great on the mic. The booking against Alexa is absolutely what killed Bayley off.
 
I’m not a regular watcher of NXT but with the hype I watched some of Bayley’s matches and the iron man match with Sasha and I was expecting something spectacular and it was a decent match but really her wrestling skill since she arrived on the mains for me has been non existent. I can’t stand her either, her character, her finisher, the plaquating, she’s just awful. Saw people mentioning she could have been the Cena of the female division but I guess they meant selling merch to 5 yr olds because no way does she have the promo or even skill to be a huge star.

I do wonder what would happen if they turned her heal and if it didn’t work could they recover this annoying hugger persona. Heck giver her split personality disorder or something like Mankind where one day she’s the Hugger and one day she’s like a female stone cold.

More on Paige, saw Nikki Bella wrote on her insta when thanking everyone involved in the rumble at the end she wrote Paige you’ll always be a part of the woman’s division. To me that gives the impression Paige is done. Then supposedly Trish and Lillian mentioned something about it on her podcast about how her attitude has been amazing and she knows they are going to use her anyway even if she can’t wrestle.
 
I have been thinking about the women's rumble, they did very well to get as many former pro's to turn up as they did, however unless they actually do get a good deep roster of thirty women, they cannot keep on relying on the ex's to make the numbers up to thirty can they?

Yes in the men's rumble they have a few extra ones coming back, but there is a deep enough roster already, so if they didn't do that, then they could still have thirty people in it anyway.

So I wonder could we be seeing more talented females getting signed up to make sure that there isn't a desperate need to call on the former pro's for the 2019 edition?

One would think perhaps you could possibly add the Dynamic Duo, Ronda, Nikki Cross, and Candice to the list next year, will that be enough, I don't quite think so; so it will be interesting to see where they go from here.
 
RedRom said:
I have been thinking about the women's rumble, they did very well to get as many former pro's to turn up as they did, however unless they actually do get a good deep roster of thirty women, they cannot keep on relying on the ex's to make the numbers up to thirty can they?

Yes in the men's rumble they have a few extra ones coming back, but there is a deep enough roster already, so if they didn't do that, then they could still have thirty people in it anyway.

So I wonder could we be seeing more talented females getting signed up to make sure that there isn't a desperate need to call on the former pro's for the 2019 edition?

One would think perhaps you could possibly add the Dynamic Duo, Ronda, Nikki Cross, and Candice to the list next year, will that be enough, I don't quite think so; so it will be interesting to see where they go from here.
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I think there's a chance that they reduce it to a 20 woman rumble in future years, but there's also been talk of them adding women's tag titles, which would require a deeper roster so that would add numbers. They've got a fair few signed to developmental contracts that aren't currently even appearing on NXT, so over the course of the next year I wouldn't be over surprised to see the majority of Kairi Sane, Shayna Baszler, Ember Moon, Nikki Cross, Peyton Royce and Billie Kay all come up to the main roster with the likes of Candice Le Rae, Abbey Laith, Bianca Belair, Dakota Kai, and likely some new signings taking over the NXT women's division.
 
Chances are there will be women's title matches on the card too so that could take 4 out, but then again the likes of Sheamus and Seth Rollins did both so they could do that.
20 would be a better number for next years unless like mentioned they recruit a lot more women.
 
Alex99 said:
I think there's a chance that they reduce it to a 20 woman rumble in future years, but there's also been talk of them adding women's tag titles, which would require a deeper roster so that would add numbers. They've got a fair few signed to developmental contracts that aren't currently even appearing on NXT, so over the course of the next year I wouldn't be over surprised to see the majority of Kairi Sane, Shayna Baszler, Ember Moon, Nikki Cross, Peyton Royce and Billie Kay all come up to the main roster with the likes of Candice Le Rae, Abbey Laith, Bianca Belair, Dakota Kai, and likely some new signings taking over the NXT women's division.
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Wonder if there is a plan to give the ladies their own show like 205 live. It would be complicated as you have the brand split and you’d still want to keep people on the flagship shows. But then you could have a US, Inter, Tag champs and so on and have a 2hr show as well as have them on Raw and Smackdown.
 
it's so funny braun is doing everything that roman was supposed to do. I like roman but I still think it would be better to have braun v. brock and have braun win the title.

My mania card would be like this

Braun v. Brock
Styles v. Nakamura
Cena v. roman ( I feel they can build on from their last encounter )
Angle and rousey v. hhh and stephanie
Jordan v. Seth
Miz v. balor ic title
Roode v. zyan or ziggler or put someone good for US title

Cena/taker would be one big waste . No point doing that now. Just because you can book that doesn't mean it has to be booked. I don't know if Joe or ambrose will be fit so not booking them.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Wonder if there is a plan to give the ladies their own show like 205 live. It would be complicated as you have the brand split and you’d still want to keep people on the flagship shows. But then you could have a US, Inter, Tag champs and so on and have a 2hr show as well as have them on Raw and Smackdown.
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Not sure I want to see a women's show. I'd much rather they gave them more time on the main card. If they wanted to do another spin off show I wouldn't mind one focusing on tag team matches, particularly if they introduce women's tag titles.
 
WrestleMania is looking difficult to book this year, at least until after the Elimination Chamber. I'm still not convinced the plan is Strowman vs. Lesnar despite the recent ongoings. Will they do a Triple Threat match where Roman pins Lesnar, so they can go with Strowman / Regins afterwards when Brock leaves? I'm just not sure what Roman Reigns can do at WrestleMania if it isn't the World Title match. Whereas Braun, he could probably put an end to Kane's career, considering they've dragged it out this long now. Kane could also cost Lesnar the Chamber match in the build up to WM. For that reason, until the Chamber is done, I'm saying:

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Roman Reigns
Braun Strowman vs. Kane
AJ Styles (c) vs. Shinsuke Nakamura

As for the women, I honestly think they don't even have the final plan yet, which is why Rousey said nothing (and still hasn't) and Asuka still hasn't picked. Odds are it will be Asuka and Alexa to duke it out, while Rousey may face Charlotte. Paige's injury has probably screwed this up, as she would've likely been in a title match vs Alexa, with Asuka vs Charlotte and Rousey in some kind of mixed tag match (partner to Angle or The Rock). Right now, despite reports the mixed tag is still the plan, I'd just expect:

Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Asuka
Charlotte Flair (c) vs. Ronda Rousey

There would probably have to be some more Women's matches somewhere, but it's hard to fit them into the card. They need to have a Women's Battle Royal on the pre-show.
 
Not sure about Cena's plan for the next year but I wouldn't mind him facing Brock and breaking Ric Flair's record for title wins. Brock can take the loss, it won't require burying new talent and it gets it out of the way.
 
Havak said:
WrestleMania is looking difficult to book this year, at least until after the Elimination Chamber. I'm still not convinced the plan is Strowman vs. Lesnar despite the recent ongoings. Will they do a Triple Threat match where Roman pins Lesnar, so they can go with Strowman / Regins afterwards when Brock leaves? I'm just not sure what Roman Reigns can do at WrestleMania if it isn't the World Title match. Whereas Braun, he could probably put an end to Kane's career, considering they've dragged it out this long now. Kane could also cost Lesnar the Chamber match in the build up to WM. For that reason, until the Chamber is done, I'm saying:

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Roman Reigns
Braun Strowman vs. Kane
AJ Styles (c) vs. Shinsuke Nakamura

As for the women, I honestly think they don't even have the final plan yet, which is why Rousey said nothing (and still hasn't) and Asuka still hasn't picked. Odds are it will be Asuka and Alexa to duke it out, while Rousey may face Charlotte. Paige's injury has probably screwed this up, as she would've likely been in a title match vs Alexa, with Asuka vs Charlotte and Rousey in some kind of mixed tag match (partner to Angle or The Rock). Right now, despite reports the mixed tag is still the plan, I'd just expect:

Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Asuka
Charlotte Flair (c) vs. Ronda Rousey

There would probably have to be some more Women's matches somewhere, but it's hard to fit them into the card. They need to have a Women's Battle Royal on the pre-show.
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I heard a plan for Balor is to take the intercontinental championship off of The Miz. Apparently that’s his and Miz’s next program. Don’t know if it’ll be before Mania or at Mania with Maryse due to give birth like 2 days before Mania.

However makes sense with Balor Club and The Entourage so you get a 3 on 3.

I’m kinda thinking the same as you that I’m not sure if they will go with Braun vs Brock. Although I quite like the way those two have been booked. Braun has man handled him twice and thrown Brock around and Brock has kinda escaped without pinning Braun. They haven’t had a singles match either or not that I recall so for me that is the match but I think they’ll go with Roman Just for what you were saying. Doesn’t seem to be anyone else for him unless it’s like a special appearance.

Thought, I read they’ve signed Bobby Lashley, so could maybe bring him in as a beast and have him mess up Roman a good few times in the lead up then standard Roman overcomes at Mania match.
 
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AshRK said:
it's so funny braun is doing everything that roman was supposed to do. I like roman but I still think it would be better to have braun v. brock and have braun win the title.

My mania card would be like this

Braun v. Brock
Styles v. Nakamura
Cena v. roman ( I feel they can build on from their last encounter )
Angle and rousey v. hhh and stephanie
Jordan v. Seth
Miz v. balor ic title
Roode v. zyan or ziggler or put someone good for US title

Cena/taker would be one big waste . No point doing that now. Just because you can book that doesn't mean it has to be booked. I don't know if Joe or ambrose will be fit so not booking them.
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I disagree.

The match doesn't even need to be a technical masterpiece. It would be like Rock v Hogan whereby it's more of a sport entertainment match than a pure wrestling match. Those can be very good when done well.
 
AshRK said:
it's so funny braun is doing everything that roman was supposed to do. I like roman but I still think it would be better to have braun v. brock and have braun win the title.

My mania card would be like this

Braun v. Brock
Styles v. Nakamura
Cena v. roman ( I feel they can build on from their last encounter )
Angle and rousey v. hhh and stephanie
Jordan v. Seth
Miz v. balor ic title
Roode v. zyan or ziggler or put someone good for US title

Cena/taker would be one big waste . No point doing that now. Just because you can book that doesn't mean it has to be booked. I don't know if Joe or ambrose will be fit so not booking them.
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Lack of tag teams, lack of Rusev.

Agree on taker though.
 
K2K said:
I disagree.

The match doesn't even need to be a technical masterpiece. It would be like Rock v Hogan whereby it's more of a sport entertainment match than a pure wrestling match. Those can be very good when done well.
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it's 4 years late. Again just for the sake of it having this match makes zero sense. It is a lose lose situation for everyone. Taker winning after being made to look like a chump just one year ago against roman wold make cena look like an idiot and taker losing another mania match is a joke. Taker is done and let us fans and wwe accept that. Cena feuding with someone else and putting them over is the way to go if you ask me.
 
AshRK said:
it's 4 years late. Again just for the sake of it having this match makes zero sense. It is a lose lose situation for everyone. Taker winning after being made to look like a chump just one year ago against roman wold make cena look like an idiot and taker losing another mania match is a joke. Taker is done and let us fans and wwe accept that. Cena feuding with someone else and putting them over is the way to go if you ask me.
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Fair point..

I think the Roman Taker match should have never happened. It was just Vince being arrogant..

Think Cena v Balor would make a lot of sense too.
 
K2K said:
Fair point..

I think the Roman Taker match should have never happened. It was just Vince being arrogant..

Think Cena v Balor would make a lot of sense too.
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In what way? Balor beating cena doesnt really get him anymore over than he already is. Cena beating Balor would be yet another bummer for him and the fans.

Think Balor will have go at the Miz at mania, that's a rivalry on which both superstars can come out on top.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
In what way? Balor beating cena doesnt really get him anymore over than he already is. Cena beating Balor would be yet another bummer for him and the fans.

Think Balor will have go at the Miz at mania, that's a rivalry on which both superstars can come out on top.
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K2K said:
Fair point..

I think the Roman Taker match should have never happened. It was just Vince being arrogant..

Think Cena v Balor would make a lot of sense too.
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I am happy Nakamura won the rumble and excited to see Styles/Nakamura match but it would have been interesting say Balor winning the rumble and feuding with Styles. You would have add the added factor of the Club and maybe even have a Balor heel turn at mania and win the title with the help of Anderson/Gallows and going on a lengthy feud with styles for the title.I always saw a good chemistry with nakamura and Randy and maybe they could have add a proper feud and wrestled at Mania where Nakamura could have got his big win. This way Balor wouldn't have to be wasted at Mania.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
In what way? Balor beating cena doesnt really get him anymore over than he already is. Cena beating Balor would be yet another bummer for him and the fans.

Think Balor will have go at the Miz at mania, that's a rivalry on which both superstars can come out on top.
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Cena cost Balor both at the Rumble and then a chance at the World title.

And I would heavily disagree about him beating Cena clean at Wrestlemania being meaningless. . Look at Cena's record there.

Only ever lost 2 single matches. Only one clean against the Rock. The other was against the Miz with Rock interference.
 
AshRK said:
I am happy Nakamura won the rumble and excited to see Styles/Nakamura match but it would have been interesting say Balor winning the rumble and feuding with Styles. You would have add the added factor of the Club and maybe even have a Balor heel turn at mania and win the title with the help of Anderson/Gallows and going on a lengthy feud with styles for the title.I always saw a good chemistry with nakamura and Randy and maybe they could have add a proper feud and wrestled at Mania where Nakamura could have got his big win. This way Balor wouldn't have to be wasted at Mania.
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I think Nakamura v Styles has been in the works for months now. They teased it at a house show last year.

Don't think a feud with Randy would have excited anyone at this point. Orton has been going through the motions for years now. Styles v Shin is WWEs answer to Okada v Omega. I think they will be given time and we are in for a a classic.

I liked what they did with Balor at the Rumble. Made him look like a million bucks with our him winning. Feuding with Cena would be the next progressive step in his journey to the top. Overpushing him would have not worked imo.
 
K2K said:
Cena cost Balor both at the Rumble and then a chance at the World title.

And I would heavily disagree about him beating Cena clean at Wrestlemania being meaningless. . Look at Cena's record there.

Only ever lost 2 single matches. Only one clean against the Rock. The other was against the Miz with Rock interference.
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Yeah but no one cares about Cena is the problem. He's not really a relevant part timer like Brock or Goldberg. Balor getting a win over Cena would not get him anymore over than he is now, as he's already quite over.

Someone like Jason Jordan would benefit from a win again Cena, a young up and comer.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Yeah but no one cares about Cena is the problem. He's not really a relevant part timer like Brock or Goldberg. Balor getting a win over Cena would not get him anymore over than he is now, as he's already quite over.

Someone like Jason Jordan would benefit from a win again Cena, a young up and comer.
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We will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
 
There's not many wrestlers currently in the WWE that I like or care about anymore but I am a fan of Jason Jordan. Seeing the news that he's having neck issues and has trouble gripping his hands is extremely worrying as he's only 29 which is very young for a wrestler.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I heard a plan for Balor is to take the intercontinental championship off of The Miz. Apparently that’s his and Miz’s next program. Don’t know if it’ll be before Mania or at Mania with Maryse due to give birth like 2 days before Mania.

However makes sense with Balor Club and The Entourage so you get a 3 on 3.

I’m kinda thinking the same as you that I’m not sure if they will go with Braun vs Brock. Although I quite like the way those two have been booked. Braun has man handled him twice and thrown Brock around and Brock has kinda escaped without pinning Braun. They haven’t had a singles match either or not that I recall so for me that is the match but I think they’ll go with Roman Just for what you were saying. Doesn’t seem to be anyone else for him unless it’s like a special appearance.

Thought, I read they’ve signed Bobby Lashley, so could maybe bring him in as a beast and have him mess up Roman a good few times in the lead up then standard Roman overcomes at Mania match.
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Lesnar pinned Strowman at a PPV in a singles match last year, I think it was Survivor Series but I can't remember exactly. It was a bit of a disappointing finish as it was one F5 for the win, hence me remembering it. I do appreciate a finisher actually being a finish in a big match though. No one has kicked out of the F5 for months, so whoever faces Lesnar at WrestleMania will do it.

One surprise is that Lesnar seems to have no opponent at the Chamber PPV, while Alexa Bliss not only has to defend the women's title, but defend it in the Elimination Chamber match itself.
 
Catching up on Raw. A lot of complaints by some crowds about certain wrestlers not being in main events. But when they are put there, the same fans go and play with beach balls or something similar.

Also they really need to pull the trigger on Braun. They cant have him losing the chamber. Him winning it and then defeating Brock makes much more sense given how the story has been built the last year.

SalfordRed18 said:
Yeah but no one cares about Cena is the problem.
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Wow, thats a nuts statement.

Shane88 said:
Miz will end Balor on the mic.
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Dont agree. Whilst miz is much better than him (and majority of people) if theres any heel that I would put a face against to get him over it would be Miz. The dude will get Balor loved even moreso at his own expense.
 
See on Balor, I actually think he’s a Triple H guy and with XFL coming I imagine H and Steph will be given more freedom and we’ll see more of a mix of talent as H is the one credited with bringing in guys like AJ,Balor,Owens and so on. Guys who can wrestle.
And I really think he likes Balor, even that spot at the Raw 25th with him and DX, him winning the belt so early on. Just seems to me like H has faith he’ll be something.
 
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