This is the turning point...

I thought the cup game against Palace would have been a turning point as for the first time I could see an actual style of play and generally a plan for how the team was operating. Seems that was more about a change of personnel and a weak and useless opposition because that all went out of the window for the next game. Couldn't watch the game today, but I don't know how it can be seen as a turning point. A massive let off more like.
 
Nope.

There are too many issues with the team, but above all, even in Fergie's time, you can't be successful with a clown in goal.

And ten hag bought ronald fecking mcdonald, the prince of clowns.
 
Im skeptical but I’d like to feel what you are feeling
 
Remember the geese said:
I thought that the Burnley game was going to be a bit of a turning point. Now I look at the Spurs and Arsenal games as huge moments that we have allowed to define our season to date. If only Bruno had buried that free header, if only we were awarded a penalty for Romero's handball, if only Garnacho's goal was allowed to stand, if only Højlund was awarded a penalty for Gabriel hauling him down. Huge momentum shifts that could have inspired us to be having a very different season to what we have experienced thus far. Obviously the injuries have been utterly ridiculous too.
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True. If that Garnacho goal at Emirates stood think we'd be where Spurs are atm or something like that. Shame about those milimetres ruining it all.
 
It’s definitely got the potential to be a turning point. And hopefully it will be two weeks of feel good for the team. More players back from injury and the momentum can shift.

really reminded me of United v Sheff weds 1993.

Incidentally, I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results have been suggesting so I think there’s plenty of positives
 
We all laughed at Liverpool holding a massive party after scoring late for a 1-1 draw against some tiny outfit at home.
But that proved to be a big moment.

And ours hopefully is bigger with the win.
 
padzilla said:
I think ETH would need to show he can provide the type of football he says he can.
The team is still playing the passive reactive dross we have done since the days of Van Gaal.
There have been glimpses under Ten Hag but it's been constantly poor from United since the Barcelona game in the Europa League in February.
I wouldn't mind losing games if it looked like the side was moving towards something exicting. Short term pain for long term gain but it just looks like more of the same as under the last number of managers.
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Apart from not having a first choice defence, I think he's hindered by the players that are untouchable (Bruno, Casemiro, Rashford). He's also made some poor decisions himself, but that's understandable. You can't get every signing right. Mount is the one I'm still baffled about. He doesn't bring anything(yet). Just absolutely can't see it with him. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not creative enough, average in defence. It's just such a poor, pointless piece of the puzzle.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
It’s definitely got the potential to be a turning point. And hopefully it will be two weeks of feel good for the team. More players back from injury and the momentum can shift.

really reminded me of United v Sheff weds 1993.

Incidentally, I don’t think our performances have been as bad as the results have been suggesting so I think there’s plenty of positives
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We lacked that many clear cut chances at points, but we utterly dominated that game. It'd have been an outrage to lose on one shocking Lindelof / Onana combo.

It also shouldn't be overlooked we had our whole back 4 out and are still trying to bed both Amrabat and Mount in.
 
FreakyJim said:
Apart from not having a first choice defence, I think he's hindered by the players that are untouchable (Bruno, Casemiro, Rashford). He's also made some poor decisions himself, but that's understandable. You can't get every signing right. Mount is the one I'm still baffled about. He doesn't bring anything(yet). Just absolutely can't see it with him. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not creative enough, average in defence. It's just such a poor, pointless piece of the puzzle.
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Mount is essentially a slight upgrade on the Lingard we had. Can contribute the occasional goal, but apart from making space / getting around, he's not quite got enough.

To actually lash 50m and 200k a week out, and initially try and combine him and Bruno in a 3, then actually shunt Bruno wide, is baffling.
 
BorisManUtd said:
True. If that Garnacho goal at Emirates stood think we'd be where Spurs are atm or something like that. Shame about those milimetres ruining it all.
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Yeah. It's all about getting out of the slump. My only hope is that the ridiculous notion that we have to drop the manager to rebuild doesn't happen again. We need to finish a rebuild for once, and trust the manager. There is no sign for me that this manager hasn't got the right stuff. Lot's of things wrong with this club, but most things wont change by changing the manager.
 
Redstain said:
Should have been the 3-0 against Palace, the only way this team will build consistency is to ditch the new shape and stick to the pivot midfield.
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If ETH ditches the new shape, it means that he has really poor vision and plan to make us successful. If so, he is not the right person. My first choice is Potter at that time but ETH is my second choice. I still think he can find the right formula of setup, even though the new system could be a little too complicated to a particular set of players.
 
Lost bear said:
We’ll be ok when we get some of our injuries back. Until then it’s s matter of doing what we did today- fight to fecking survive.
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We are fighting for relegation survival at the moment.
This process probably can eventually evolve us to become a good team.
 
The turning point to top 4, even that is extremely ambitious. Shouldn't it be clear by now that the players just aren't good enough?
 
You can believe something is a turning point when we not only beat, but totally outplay Spurs, Liverpool and City with a crushing of Villa sprinkled in the middle like under van Gaal, or like when Ole comes in and starts an impressive winning run off with a 5-0 away victory.

This, though? I wouldn't get your hopes up.
 
city-puma said:
We are fighting for relegation survival at the moment.
This process probably can eventually evolve us to become a good team.
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Yeah, I think so too. But I’m sure we’ll look better too when we get some of our injured players back- actual fullbacks and so on.
 
Yagami said:
You can believe something is a turning point when we not only beat, but totally outplay Spurs, Liverpool and City with a crushing of Villa sprinkled in the middle like under van Gaal, or like when Ole comes in and starts an impressive winning run off with a 5-0 away victory.

This, though? I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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We played well enough to beat Spurs and Arse, and got unlucky with marginal decisions.
 
So many naysayers in this thread and considering our recent performances, who can blame them? But the last 270 minutes of dire football has given Ten Hag so much information that a competent manager can use to turn a dire start into a top 4 finish, namely:
  • Marcus Rashford has no business starting a game for Manchester United. If he wants back in the starting 11, he should have to earn it like everyone else.
  • Garnacho has earned his spot in the starting 11.
  • Hojlund is isolated alone up front and 433 just isn't our formation. We lack the delivery from width to make it work. We switched to 2 strikers and scored 2 in 6 minutes. Yes, it was versus Brentford, but we couldn't score 1 in 90 versus Palace.
  • Bruno Fernandes is wasted out wide.
  • Only one of Eriksen, Casemiro and Mount should be on the pitch at the same time.
  • Clean sheets are a pipe dream, we looked much better playing fast and loose than that tiki taka nonsense. Good teams will punish it and some results will look dire, but good teams will punish our liability of a defense + GK anyway. We might as well look threatening while they do it. A hope of a 3-3 draw is better than a guaranteed 0-1 loss.
  • People hyping up McTominay for 2 goals against a bottom table team might be an overreaction, but him scoring 2 goals in 6 minutes when the rest of our squad struggled to even create chances for 90 is a fact.
Problem I have with those points is that ETH has shown us nothing to make people believe that he has what it takes to make proactive changes and drop superstars. He just seems so stuck in his ways and refuses to learn from the examples he's given. But if he does, I can definitely see us improving.
 
Yagami said:
You can believe something is a turning point when we not only beat, but totally outplay Spurs, Liverpool and City with a crushing of Villa sprinkled in the middle like under van Gaal, or like when Ole comes in and starts an impressive winning run off with a 5-0 away victory.

This, though? I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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Maybe not yet. But I think it will come. We’ve had a lot of players out injured . Btw Do you feel that Van Gaal or Ole were successful here?
 
If Casemiro, Fernandes and Rashford keep starting regardless of how bad they play it doesn't say much about ETH.
 
Lost bear said:
Maybe not yet. But I think it will come. We’ve had a lot of players out injured . Btw Do you feel that Van Gaal or Ole were successful here?
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I'm not saying it definitely won't be a turning point. I hope it is. I'm just saying that we shouldn't get our hopes up because we've been here before with much more convincing results and performances.

I wouldn't classify any manager we've had post Fergie as a success.
 
Can't see it sadly. The attack just doesn't compensate for the defence enough, and let's not forget we have virtually our entire attacking and creative options available.

My only hope is that EtH starts picking different players, muddles through to the January transfer window and maybe gets one or two players in while Shaw, Martinez and AwB come back.
 
Psychologically it's important. The players lacked confidence and belief. I doubt it'll mask the long term issues though.
 
Maybe it's just me but don't we have a poor recent record first game back after International breaks.
 
The only way this is the turning point is, if ETH makes some changes to selection, and we get some players back so we can have some quality on the wings. When the left wing is out-of-form Rashford and inverted Lindelof, and the right wing is average Dalot and Mount/Bruno, we are getting nowhere. We actually have a focal point in attack to bring the wings into play, but they are just average.
 
I wish it was but unfortunately it's what we saw several times with Ole - papering over the cracks. Dire performance in general.
 
MikeKing said:
Yeah. It's all about getting out of the slump. My only hope is that the ridiculous notion that we have to drop the manager to rebuild doesn't happen again. We need to finish a rebuild for once, and trust the manager. There is no sign for me that this manager hasn't got the right stuff. Lot's of things wrong with this club, but most things wont change by changing the manager.
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It’s true but I was wavering today. I believe he is the right man but I’m so sick of losing.
 
padzilla said:
If Casemiro, Fernandes and Rashford keep starting regardless of how bad they play it doesn't say much about ETH.
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To be fair to Fernandes, he looked very alive and promising when played through the middle, it's not his fault he's being played out wide where he's useless.
 
BorisManUtd said:
True. If that Garnacho goal at Emirates stood think we'd be where Spurs are atm or something like that. Shame about those milimetres ruining it all.
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This is easy to forget.
As truth be told, it's been 2nd half at Tottenham, home v Brighton and away v Bayern that we've deservedly got nothing.

All the other defeats could easily have been the other ways so thin are the margins at times.
 
United Hobbit said:
I wish it was but unfortunately it's what we saw several times with Ole - papering over the cracks. Dire performance in general.
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It picked up a bit second half. First 20 mins or so was okay as well.

We lack quality in the last phase. Not sure if the players we have either side of Hojlund are going to be good enough. Those guys have got to be regular match winners with goals and assists aplenty (how else can we expect to win matches).
 
Sandikan said:
This is easy to forget.
As truth be told, it's been 2nd half at Tottenham, home v Brighton and away v Bayern that we've deservedly got nothing.

All the other defeats could easily have been the other ways so thin are the margins at times.
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True. The flip side is we couldn’t have argued if we lost to Wolves and Forest. In the end, four wins and four losses isn’t great but it’s maybe not as bad as it seems for a team with injuries, new players and a new system.
 
MikeKing said:
Yeah. It's all about getting out of the slump. My only hope is that the ridiculous notion that we have to drop the manager to rebuild doesn't happen again. We need to finish a rebuild for once, and trust the manager. There is no sign for me that this manager hasn't got the right stuff. Lot's of things wrong with this club, but most things wont change by changing the manager.
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Totally agree.

I don’t think we’ve had any luck in any departments this season. Find me a team that wins things that’s unlucky and you will not find me a winner. People say you make your own luck and that’s true to a degree but like others have said we have been millimetres away from wins that were losses and that’s with a crazy injury list and no defence and so many other clouds around the club on so many levels!

I’m sick of this sack the manager sh*t. People clinging desperately to this idea that all we need do is sack until something sticks, FFs. Sacking ETH will only confirm the clubs as big a mess as it was under a decade of Woodward. That’s all it will confirm, nothing else. So why would people be desperate to confirm the clubs f*cked? Throw another manager into a f*cked club and you just get another broken manager at a f*cked club.

If ETH can work through this mess and difficult period, in a way where the club is better primed to succeed,I will take mid table , no champions league, no cups but clear green shoots end of season. This includes the club having its own Recruiting system that doesn’t just rely on ETH.

Sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing, well maybe rather then the same mistakes of the last 10 years we show some trust in the manager when it’s really tough. Imagine that, a club and fanbase actually supporting a manager when it’s not easy to support them.
 
I believe it's on ETH. If he makes the mistake of starting Rashford and Bruno and Onana in our next game then he hasn't learnt a thing and performances will just continue as is.
 
I doubt it but it was nice that a player who has been at the club for so long came on and made a difference to get the win. Long may it continue.
 
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