I understand where you’re coming from but league position is agreed upon as the best barometer of success. Any positivity however accurate are merely small silver linings on dark clouds.
Things that have improved
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Quote : Frustratingly, these improvements
Its like theres a willingness to misinterpret. No amount of green smileys makes up for a willing cherry picking of a post. You understand it can be possible to improve some areas while disimproving overall? Why is that hard to grasp?
I no longer rage, when we concede.
We’re no longer called ‘moments FC’.
Unfortunately, that’s because we don’t create any moments anymore.
Unfortunately, that’s because we don’t create any moments anymore.
Less competition for tickets
Whether malicious or not from those partaking in it, it seems we've been spiralling in a race to the bottom for some time now for generating or perpetuating disingenuous arguments for the sake of attention/engagement.
See also: the state of US political discourse now vs. 20+ years ago.
We're 14th.
We're not supposed to be competing to avoid relegation. We are are one of the most expensive teams in the country and europe, we have some of the greatest (on paper) stars in the league and we are here trying to argue the likes of Nottingham forrest and soton didnt bollock us hence we are getting better.
We are 14th. That's everything you need to assess if we are improving or not. Stop trying to find possitives in this. Not having the worst defence in the league isnt cause for celebration
Yes, that means you are burning less calories than before and you have less stress levels. So you are not worried about the result at all during those 90 mins and that puts you on top when compared to a Top-4 club fan.
Onana has definitely improved. Seems a lot calmer and a more capable shot stopper.
Not trying to be contrarian but who are these stars that are the greatest in the league, supposedly?
Is it a post from RAWK with all the alternative tables ?
Appreciate the effort but I think, this won't end well. Frustration is weird thing, it will pop up everywhere when it is around in large quantities as it is right now. Additionally - people are eager to send out their stuff, not necessarily receive stuff and for sure not considering different perspectives. Without even judging it, I think, mob mentality is taking over and again, we all can see why. It isn't the time for differentiation. Lets hope that the higher ups won't get influenced from it and make smart decisions.
Apart from that, I think judging squad depth is a little too early but in terms of being vulnerable, I think we do benefit from some changes. I'd also list Onana as an improvement. I'd also say that the first halves of either the Fulham and Brighton game were rather encouraging as we've seen some onetouch buildup play and the will to actually do something with the ball. UNfortunately though, since then this has vanished a bit apart from the match against the league one team.
You are not contrarian that's why i said on paper.
Bruno is on paper one of the best cams in the league. He plays as a shadow striker now? Completely useless.
Case was meant to one of the best anchors in recent times. He is attempting more through passes than any other player when he plays. Defo not playing that role.
De ligt is supposed to be a modern ball playing CB.
Mazraoui is a well serviceable rb and dalot is also a talented RB. Not even sure what Dalot is supposed to be doing on the pitch anymore. Falseback ?
I'm not delusional. I know they're underperforming. I'm just starting to think it's all on 10H now. Just fed up with his gameplan.
The optimist in Me likes to think we're a few games away from the team somehow clicking and Jumpstarting the next phase in our climb back to our perch but that's like me hopping to win a lottery ticket, could it happen? Sure but there's nothing pointing that way.
As it stands we're the same place we been for quite some time, the bottom of the pit or at least thereabouts.
As it stands we're the same place we been for quite some time, the bottom of the pit or at least thereabouts.
There was some thread there a few weeks ago, saying how the foundations has been set and we have improved, positivity and all that. Might take a look at it, hasn't seem to pop up for a few weeks now. Wonder where all this positivity went to?
I don’t think Bruno, Case, Dalot get in any of the current top 4 teams personally.
De ligt is an enigma and while once coveted, his decline has been well documented and evidenced by being sold off by Bayern with no team interested bar United.
I agree the game plan is awful but I don’t know if the players are good enough either.
Eriksen, Case, Lindelof, Evans (despite playing well today) probably shouldn’t be near a team with hopes of challenging for honours.
Onana is definitely better.
And we do look like conceding less and give away less chances but that’s been at the cost of any type of attacking what so ever.
I think that’s it to be honest I wouldn’t expect a long list over and above those two things.
And we do look like conceding less and give away less chances but that’s been at the cost of any type of attacking what so ever.
I think that’s it to be honest I wouldn’t expect a long list over and above those two things.
In the cold light of day, all those ranting and getting hostile will see that my OP is really damning of our current situation. In the opening line I described it as worse than the worst case scenario I imagined. Ive highlighted that conceding less seems to have only been possible by losing any threat. But it is simply willing hostility and rage-posting to make demands of anybody who may be looking for any sort of basis from where we might improve. There are thousands of threads for that.
I think the biggest difference between this season and last is the results aren’t flattering us as much. We’re getting what we deserve and we look like a bottom half team.
This has been going on so long now, aspects might seem to have improved at times but overall it’s pretty consistent and this seems to be our level under ETH. I really don’t see anything positive of any substance that we have to cling on to.
This has been going on so long now, aspects might seem to have improved at times but overall it’s pretty consistent and this seems to be our level under ETH. I really don’t see anything positive of any substance that we have to cling on to.
I heard the food is really good before the green mile. It's not raw anymore...
Thing is, it’s one step forward ten steps back.
We are compact and don’t concede, but then can’t score. We score a brace but then let the opposition back into the game (Porto and every European game last year).
Or we lose all composure from the first minute and get twatted (loads of examples, Liverpool and Spurs this season).
We are simply shite and it’s fecking boring now. Ten Hag is poor, but it’s honestly years of neglect coming home to roost. Depressing as feck.
We are compact and don’t concede, but then can’t score. We score a brace but then let the opposition back into the game (Porto and every European game last year).
Or we lose all composure from the first minute and get twatted (loads of examples, Liverpool and Spurs this season).
We are simply shite and it’s fecking boring now. Ten Hag is poor, but it’s honestly years of neglect coming home to roost. Depressing as feck.
At least there wasn’t any goal against, which is a good start…
Worst thing for me is the fact we are still going nowhere. We now find ourselves hoping to come on the pitch and produce something. This should really be the start of the process, understanding the way the manager wants to play, what each role for the players is, togetherness, motivation and desire. I cannot understand that after 2 years Hag being here, why does it still feel like we are scraping the absolute basics.
It's for that reason alone, I would be shocked that he is here by Xmas. Those that believe he needs more time are sitting in the same delusion as we did with previous managers, it's just a endless cycle of hope.
I've said before, I can't fully blame Hag, he just does not have what it takes to manage this club. Sitting here every two weeks hoping he wins a game to save his job now just feels like the Hag show rather than getting this club back to where it belongs.
The worst part of this all is I really do not know what manager can help us. There is a fundamental issue at this club and I fear it still exists. With the Glazers still owning more than 50%, I can't see anything really changing anymore.
So get more used to it, more hoping and praying every week, new manager comes with lots of expectations and then another few years of hoping and praying. This club is an absolute mess right now.
It's for that reason alone, I would be shocked that he is here by Xmas. Those that believe he needs more time are sitting in the same delusion as we did with previous managers, it's just a endless cycle of hope.
I've said before, I can't fully blame Hag, he just does not have what it takes to manage this club. Sitting here every two weeks hoping he wins a game to save his job now just feels like the Hag show rather than getting this club back to where it belongs.
The worst part of this all is I really do not know what manager can help us. There is a fundamental issue at this club and I fear it still exists. With the Glazers still owning more than 50%, I can't see anything really changing anymore.
So get more used to it, more hoping and praying every week, new manager comes with lots of expectations and then another few years of hoping and praying. This club is an absolute mess right now.
Well, if you want to look at metrics, look at the whole picture before attempting conclusions like your last sentence:
Metric........................23/24.........................24/25
Goals scored..............Tied for 9th..............Tied for 18th
Goals allowed.............Tied for 5th..............Tied for 12th
xG................................12th...........................9th
xGA..............................15th.........................14th
I think it would be hard to argue from this that there's much cause for optimism when it comes to building a more solid foundation.
The depth EtH fans are going to is fecking tragic isn't it5 goals in 7 PL games.
Worst start to a PL season in history.
‘We’ve Improved’
Add on that over an extended period we are relegation form
This thread man. I’m beyond belief that actual United fans are happy with what’s happening this season. Celebrating small metrics that promoted sides would in an attempt to cheer themselves up when they know what the inevitable is and is going to happen.
We are deep in the shit after 7 league games. So far off in Europe I don’t think anyone is sure when we win again. To crawl out of the woodwork after a goalless draw at Villa park where we have an excellent record previously just highlights how low their own expectations are. Improvements, seriously?
We are deep in the shit after 7 league games. So far off in Europe I don’t think anyone is sure when we win again. To crawl out of the woodwork after a goalless draw at Villa park where we have an excellent record previously just highlights how low their own expectations are. Improvements, seriously?
Fans' ability to find excuses for a manager
Genuine question: has anyone said they're happy with what's happening this season?
some stuff has improved a bit, but only because we keep spunking 100s of millions on players every summer
once Eric is gone, if they can get the right replacement I'd be optimistic again
once Eric is gone, if they can get the right replacement I'd be optimistic again
I’d say the main thing is in the squad build from an age standpoint.
Relatively self explanatory, Ineos seem set on only buying young(ish) players. This brings the average age of the squad down and, crucially, stops the awful cycle we have been in pre Ineos where we were paying big money and giving stupid contracts to many players a couple of years away from retirement.
The knock on we’re seeing now though is a large % of the fan base who, despite I swear many people saying they wanted to build something using younger players, giving up on almost all of these aforementioned young players (go into any performance thread for the teens and young twenties guys we have) and calling them all manner of crap.
Relatively self explanatory, Ineos seem set on only buying young(ish) players. This brings the average age of the squad down and, crucially, stops the awful cycle we have been in pre Ineos where we were paying big money and giving stupid contracts to many players a couple of years away from retirement.
The knock on we’re seeing now though is a large % of the fan base who, despite I swear many people saying they wanted to build something using younger players, giving up on almost all of these aforementioned young players (go into any performance thread for the teens and young twenties guys we have) and calling them all manner of crap.
Well we are a point better off than yesterday. We kept a clean sheet. We drew against the mighty Villa
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
Why would anyone start a thread like this when we are 14th in the league?
I cannot tell if this is a joke post
My skills at playing Solitaire have improved over the past year as I’d rather do that than have both eyes focused on our games.
Well done @SER19 for refusing to succumb to NegCafe.
I agree that improvement in our style and quality of play are visible this season, and we have been enjoyable to watch at times, results aside.
I really believe INEOS are working on a long term plan and we will see the fruits of our sacrifices in time. We just need the resolve to see this through.
I agree that improvement in our style and quality of play are visible this season, and we have been enjoyable to watch at times, results aside.
I really believe INEOS are working on a long term plan and we will see the fruits of our sacrifices in time. We just need the resolve to see this through.
Because improvements and positives are incredibly easy to see and find when a team is 1st
Thanks. There's enormous amounts to be negative about, rightly. But the anger and triggering that any sort of attempt to see what we might build from is bordering on pathological. It seems as if for some the entire forum is just a sort of purging of all the frustration we share,ignoring that even the worst side in the world might make small progress on something and see it as something to build on.
Should we start getting results, and taking our chances, any success will be rooted in these early signs that we've tightened up a bit. Its not a controversial thing to say. We've been awful this season but you'd have to be lying to pretend we're as open as last season