Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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Well, he has. It really looks like Tito couldn't give him assurances about playing time and he wants to move on as he desperately wants to be in the Spain team for the World Cup in Brazil. I'm convinced he will move, the question is his destination.

What his possible destination? Chelsea, United, City, PSG, Monaco, Arsenal, Bayern?
 
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I would love if we signed him, but it takes more than just money, he has to have a real need to leave Barca.

He's publicly stated through his agent (his father) that he wants more playing time.

He wants assurances that he's going to get more playing time in a midfield that has Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Fabregas available to it.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon. He's been told to be patient and take Xavi's example but he knows the only way to get better as a footballer is to play football. It's really not that hard to believe he wants to leave to become the player he knows he can be by playing week in week out at another top club.
 
Would people question our transfer policy if it comes out we were never interested or made a bid?
 
What his possible destination? Chelsea, United, City, PSG, Monaco, Arsenal, Bayern?

From what we have heard, admittedly from semi-reliable sources and quotes by his father/himself in the media, United, City, Arsenal and Bayern are sniffing around. I think we can quite safely rule out a move to Arsenal as they would be two steps down from Barcelona, Bayern is very unlikely despite Pep's arrival for reasons Balu stated (Sammer as Director of football wants to build the team around outstanding German talent, Pep can't make signings on his own, Thiago is not needed as they have shitloads of quality in the middle), so that leaves City and us. City have just signed Fernandinho and have yet to offload someone, so he would probably have to share playing time with Fernandinho, Toure and probably one of Barry/Milner/Garcia. So... using logic we are the most likely destination... a big gaping hole in CM, a new manager likely wanting to leave a mark with a tremendous first signing, a player who would earn shedloads here while getting all the playing time he needs to get into the Spain team 2014. It's a win-win situation for player and club, so yeah, I'm believing.
 
Firstly, Thiago could sit happily next to Carrick in a 4-4-2.

Secondly the system we use isn't really a 4-4-2, it's more of a 4-2-3-1 that uses two proper midfielders rather than defensive midfielders.

Thirdly, who knows what plans Moyes has for this team? We've said for a long time that this squad would fit more naturally into a more fluid system.


We don't necessarily know what Moyes plans to do with our team, but we know he thinks the midfield is very important. Struggled to find this but here is something he spoke about previously:

It was great, David wanted to influence how we deliver the coaching. He said he had seen so much in the past season and he told us what are becoming the modern trends in the game.
‘He wanted to influence how we deliver our coaching and 75 per cent of the things I have seen here (at Largs) in the last two days are very inclusive of what David was talking about.’
Moyes stressed that upcoming coaches must take as gospel the old football maxim that matches are won and lost in midfield.
But he also argued that more attention than ever should be paid to the engine room, given the unprecedented tactical variety of the modern game.
Unsurprisingly, the new Manchester United manager was left enchanted by Bayern Munich’s play en route to the 2013 Champions League title, but the tactical innovations of the Swiss side Basle have also left him entranced.

‘David likes his coaching to be “game realistic”, said Fleeting. ‘He was talking about how everything these days goes through the middle of the park, so we try to play everything through that area (in our coaching).
‘If we were working on attacking wide areas, you still have to recognise that everything goes through the middle at some point — because that’s where the game is won. If someone is going to play three men in there, you’re going to want to play four in there.
‘Then there’s all the different shapes of a four-man midfield, while the Barcelona system, where they move about and there isn’t that consistency, is more common these days.

‘David spoke too about Bayern Munich and how much he admires their flexible style of football with Franck Ribery, Thomas Muller and Arjen Robben. Basle, too, and how they play with a three but with one coming in off the side.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2333058/David-Moyes-makes-Scottish-FA-offer-refuse-bring-coaching-methods-speed.html#ixzz2WYqNowls

I don't think he'll have failed to realise that our midfield is the area that needs strengthening most. And if reports are to be believed and we have been interested in Thiago for two years and he could now be available for as little as £15m then I can't help but think that we must be in for him. I know Cleverley seems to be written off on here at the moment but I'd love to see Cleverley, Carrick and Thiago in a midfield three :drool:
 
Would people question our transfer policy if it comes out we were never interested or made a bid?

it depends on their reasoning - if we have some real talent who we want to blood then sure that's fine.
 
From what we have heard, admittedly from semi-reliable sources and quotes by his father/himself in the media, United, City, Arsenal and Bayern are sniffing around. I think we can quite safely rule out a move to Arsenal as they would be two steps down from Barcelona, Bayern is very unlikely despite Pep's arrival for reasons Balu stated (Sammer as Director of football wants to build the team around outstanding German talent, Pep can't make signings on his own, Thiago is not needed as they have shitloads of quality in the middle), so that leaves City and us. City have just signed Fernandinho and have yet to offload someone, so he would probably have to share playing time with Fernandinho, Toure and probably one of Barry/Milner/Garcia. So... using logic we are the most likely destination... a big gaping hole in CM, a new manager likely wanting to leave a mark with a tremendous first signing, a player who would earn shedloads here while getting all the playing time he needs to get into the Spain team 2014. It's a win-win situation for player and club, so yeah, I'm believing.

So City, Us, PSG? I think Monaco is an outside bet.

Wherever he goes he will be on a lot of money.
 
Would people question our transfer policy if it comes out we were never interested or made a bid?


How would we know whether we made a bid or not though? Its all hearsay rather than anything concrete.

But if there was a way we could, then yeah, i'd be very disappointed if we didnt even bid at 18mil for a player like him.
 
The only pull we have with Thiago is DDG. Saying that would he want to play for Guardiola in Munich if he couldnt get into his team in Barcelona? If the kid is about money then that would hurt our chances with City, PSG and Monaco interested.
 
From what we have heard, admittedly from semi-reliable sources and quotes by his father/himself in the media, United, City, Arsenal and Bayern are sniffing around. I think we can quite safely rule out a move to Arsenal as they would be two steps down from Barcelona, Bayern is very unlikely despite Pep's arrival for reasons Balu stated (Sammer as Director of football wants to build the team around outstanding German talent, Pep can't make signings on his own, Thiago is not needed as they have shitloads of quality in the middle), so that leaves City and us. City have just signed Fernandinho and have yet to offload someone, so he would probably have to share playing time with Fernandinho, Toure and probably one of Barry/Milner/Garcia. So... using logic we are the most likely destination... a big gaping hole in CM, a new manager likely wanting to leave a mark with a tremendous first signing, a player who would earn shedloads here while getting all the playing time he needs to get into the Spain team 2014. It's a win-win situation for player and club, so yeah, I'm believing.

I'm still worried about City. You have to admit that of the three clubs you've discounted there, the argument against City is the weakest. Thiago's best position is CM but he's also an excellent AM, so I could definitely see them playing him ahead of Fernandinho and Toure. I don't think they'd hesitate for a second in dropping Barry or Milner - Pellegrini isn't Italian, and therefore doesn't have Mancini's odd attraction to these stolid, defensively reliable but offensively mediocre players. Tevez would be the displaced player, of course, but there's a good chance he's leaving anyway.

We simply cannot let them nab Thiago by just offering a huge wage. We have to impress upon him just how much better a match for him we are than they are. We are comfortably the best team in the league (based on last season), but we have a very up-for-grabs spot exactly where he likes to play. I doubt you could make up a situation better suited to his needs.
 
Yes thats always a guarantee, especially for a kid who grew up in another country :wenger:

Be realistic, if he is in for the money or wants to be with Guardiola we dont have much hope

We can't compete with Bayern for wages? Let's not forget they just forked out €37m on a very similar youngster.
 
So City, Us, PSG? I think Monaco is an outside bet.

Wherever he goes he will be on a lot of money.

I know it sounds naive, but I don't think Monaco is a choice yet. PSG and Monaco are handicapped by playing in Ligue 1, not as big a league as the Premier League or Bundesliga. I reckon it's between City and us, and I'm not sure how big City's interest is. You never know with the Spaniards in charge of transfers (Pellegrini, Beguristain) though, not too mention an endless pot of money.
 
We can't compete with Bayern for wages? Let's not forget they just forked out €37m on a very similar youngster.

Agreed. Bayern pay big transfer fees, but like most German clubs their wages are sensible (although admittedly big, in line with their massive earnings. But then we're not too shabby in that department ourselves!) If wages are a concern, it'll be the likes of City, Monaco and PSG offering them.
 
I'm still worried about City. You have to admit that of the three clubs you've discounted there, the argument against City is the weakest. Thiago's best position is CM but he's also an excellent AM, so I could definitely see them playing him ahead of Fernandinho and Toure. I don't think they'd hesitate for a second in dropping Barry or Milner - Pellegrini isn't Italian, and therefore doesn't have Mancini's odd attraction to these stolid, defensively reliable but offensively mediocre players. Tevez would be the displaced player, of course, but there's a good chance he's leaving anyway.

We simply cannot let them nab Thiago by just offering a huge wage. We have to impress upon him just how much better a match for him we are than they are. We are comfortably the best team in the league (based on last season), but we have a very up-for-grabs spot exactly where he likes to play. I doubt you could make up a situation better suited to his needs.

Yeah, true. I just wanted to give a slightly optimistic opinion without getting carried away. It's very hard not to though as we're quite clearly interested and we could have a potential world beater on our hands who is still very young. City are looking to get Isco, so a front six of say Fernandinho, Toure, Silva, Isco, Thiago and Aguero would be very hard to stomach.
 
Yes really, did he grow up a United supporter or something? Oh Im sorry I forgot all it takes is for us to be Manchester United I mean thats why we got Nasri, Silva, Hazard and Ozil and oh....


You're forgetting we are one of the few top clubs, if the only top club who can guarantee first team football in the CM position.
 
Yes really, did he grow up a United supporter or something? Oh Im sorry I forgot all it takes is for us to be Manchester United I mean thats why we got Nasri, Silva, Hazard and Ozil and oh....

No, and you don't need pedantic, your comment was that the only thing that could attract him to a top club like us, was the fact that someone from the same country plays for us? You want to give me a sarcastic reply? You clearly don't have an absolute clue mate, and true, but we didn't get Ozil as we don't have another German player...

How did we sign DDG out of interest? I mean, there's no attraction since we aren't all Spaniards? Idiot.
 
No, and you don't need pedantic, your comment was that the only thing that could attract him to a top club like us, was the fact that someone from the same country plays for us? You want to give me a sarcastic reply? You clearly don't have an absolute clue mate, and true, but we didn't get Ozil as we don't have another German player...

How did we sign DDG out of interest? I mean, there's no attraction since we aren't all Spaniards? Idiot.

You are a fecking idiot. Im talking about a pull we might have with him when other options are available to him such as reuniting with Guardiola (which he may not want to do we dont know) I am just saying DDG and him being close could be an ace we have BUT if money is his issue OR going to Germany with Guardiola is something he would like then it might not be enough. fecking read properly you one eyed gimp
 
I didnt say that, I said IF Guardiola is a pull for him

I think he'd be a lunatic to pick a squad where's he's competing for a spot with Gotze, Kroos and Schweinstiger as opposed to Anderson (if he stays), Cleverley and (sometimes) Giggs, regardless of who the manager is.
 
And we couldn't with other targets we have missed? Anyone can guarantee anyone first team football to get them signed. :lol: You Kermits sure are a touchy bunch


Yeah but I'm sure he himself will look at the players in those available positions at each club and a lightbulb will probably pop up above his head.
 
You are a fecking idiot. Im talking about a pull we might have with him when other options are available to him such as reuniting with Guardiola (which he may not want to do we dont know) I am just saying DDG and him being close could be an ace we have BUT if money is his issue OR going to Germany with Guardiola is something he would like then it might not be enough. fecking read properly you one eyed gimp

You clearly are backwards or something, I will make this easy, so even you may have a chance..

'The only pull we have with Thiago is DDG' is the exact words you said. So, we have realised that I did read correctly, and the actuality is you are unable to express yourself.

I will assume though that you meant perhaps that is the main pull for Manchester United to lure Thiago, but even then I would disagree, the calibre of our club, the promise and insistence of using youngers players and giving them playing time. So Initially, I was being pedantic as you were, but I wasn't the one in the wrong, so this one eyed gimp? is a pretty good reader thanks.
 
And we couldn't with other targets we have missed? Anyone can guarantee anyone first team football to get them signed. :lol: You Kermits sure are a touchy bunch

Honestly, do you not have anything better to do than troll? All the laughing green smilies in the world won't fill that gaping void where your soul is meant to be, Ramshock.
 
You clearly are backwards or something, I will make this easy, so even you may have a chance..

'The only pull we have with Thiago is DDG' is the exact words you said. So, we have realised that I did read correctly, and the actuality is you are unable to express yourself.

I will assume though that you meant perhaps that is the main pull for Manchester United to lure Thiago, but even then I would disagree, the calibre of our club, the promise and insistence of using youngers players and giving them playing time. So Initially, I was being pedantic as you were, but I wasn't the one in the wrong, so this one eyed gimp? is a pretty good reader thanks.

Pedantic calling someone Pedantic. Yes I am a supporter of Manchester United for about 32 years now and have just realized that DDG is Thiagos only pull to our club. Go and shove your pedantic fingers up your hole.
 
Pedantic calling someone Pedantic. Yes I am a supporter of Manchester United for about 32 years now and have just realized that DDG is Thiagos only pull to our club. Go and shove your pedantic fingers up your hole.

Learn to write what you mean then, and don't insult people when they don't assume you are implying something that isn't written, by your post count I can realise you aren't new, so you must be aware you can only convey a certain amount by text, hence people may misunderstand you.

But ok :lol: I'm going to let you get on with it mate...
 
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