Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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Most of the articles I'm reading are saying stuff like 'Man United must make decision on Fabregas or Thiago'.

That tells me that it's all a load of bullshit. Something you'd hear during the transfer window on Fifa 13.
 
bosnian_red said:
I agree looking back it was a fantastic deal, but at the time, we were signing some unknown striker in the from Guadalajara who was on the verge of quitting football a year earlier. We paid 7 million for him, and a year later it's a masterstroke, but considering nobody knew about him since it was before the world cup, it was a decent amount and we probably could have gotten a better price.
Said the same thing for Smalling, we signed him for 12 million which would have been mad if he didn't do well in his first season, considering his previous history. Bebe cost us 7 million as well, and to most of us was like another Hernandez, someone we never heard of but can maybe turn out well. Obviously he's shite and Hernandez is great, but the point is we paid 7 million for an unknown player with virtually no competition from anyone else. Once it worked out brilliantly, once it didn't, but both can be said that at the time it seemed like we overspent.
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I find this "unknown" tag a bit strange. If I remember correctly, Arsenal were looking at him as well but were not very keen on signing him. 7 million isn't bad in today's climate. For the record, bebe was homeless and we Fergie bought him upon recommendation. He didn't even look at the player. In Hernandez's case, after his first season, many fans thought the boy was a complete bargain. the quoted figure around then was 6 million so take your pick.

Sometimes you have to stump up the cash for "unknown" players. I guess I find your use of "unknown" a bit strange because you're basically saying being a relatively unknown player (whatever that means in the grand scheme) means you'll come cheap. I think Hernandez's cost was a bargain considering how well he was doing with Chivas. His goal record there was phenomenal.
 
Re Martinez and spending big, I guess you ca say at EUR 40m it was a risk but he was certainly worth 30 being a clear great prospect for his position in line with Rooney and Ferdinand. I mean not like you'd say £30m for Wilshere is ott. So I guess if you accept that, paying a little bit extra isn't that big a deal. As with those other players he'd actually have to do something wrong to not make it, rather then a lack of talent and in terms of injuries thats a risk with any player.

As for Thiago he's looked good whenever I've seen him, although admittedly I've not seen lots of him. I wonder though if a similar thing to Pique/Fab would happen. We give him the first team experience he needs and then when Barca need/want him he wants to go. I suppose so long as we get a good return for him it's not an issue but still would be annoying.
 
feck you lot. I see a bunch of new posts in this thread and think something at least somewhat significant has happened. Even if its just a made up ITK tweeting some bullshit.

Instead I get a discussion on Berbatov's value in the summer of 08. C**ts.
 
Platato said:
I find this "unknown" tag a bit strange. If I remember correctly, Arsenal were looking at him as well but were not very keen on signing him. 7 million isn't bad in today's climate. For the record, bebe was homeless and we Fergie bought him upon recommendation. He didn't even look at the player. In Hernandez's case, after his first season, many fans thought the boy was a complete bargain. the quoted figure around then was 6 million so take your pick.

Sometimes you have to stump up the cash for "unknown" players. I guess I find your use of "unknown" a bit strange because you're basically saying being a relatively unknown player (whatever that means in the grand scheme) means you'll come cheap. I think Hernandez's cost was a bargain considering how well he was doing with Chivas. His goal record there was phenomenal.
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I thought we were the only ones interested in him at the time, and I seem to remember it being rather out of the blue as well. Whatever the case, I just remembered thinking "7 million for some random young striker?Let's hope it works out well", but I did not think for a second he'd turn out like this. It's not a lot of money for a club like United obviously, but I'm more stating an example that we tend to overspend pretty often, but plenty of times it works out well and when you look back it's a great deal.
 
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feck you lot. I see a bunch of new posts in this thread and think something at least somewhat significant has happened. Even if its just a made up ITK tweeting some bullshit.

Instead I get a discussion on Berbatov's value in the summer of 08. C**ts.
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Why is there always some form of frigging tournament on when we're trying to get these players that they have to concentrate on doesn't seem to stop other teams but as it's us we have to wait until they've finished their commitments.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Revisionist history. Berbatov was what a 25 million player he was one of the leagues best at Tottenham. Anderson was a promising youth and cost 20. Martinez cost 30 million plus we just we would never pay that much. Rooney and Ferdinand were a decade ago we have made one 30 million signing since the Glazers have taken over how many have Barca, Real, Chelsea even City made. We are not in that game sadly. A Ronaldo, Bale could get that money but not Martinez.
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I wont go into the berba bit as it's completely pointless now and will derail the thread but the part in bold is said with so much conviction without anything to back it up. Also the part about Real, Barca, Chelsea, City etc is completely irrelevant considering we werent competing with them for martinez. What they can/cannot pay didnt matter in this case.
 
bosnian_red said:
I thought we were the only ones interested in him at the time, and I seem to remember it being rather out of the blue as well. Whatever the case, I just remembered thinking "7 million for some random young striker?Let's hope it works out well", but I did not think for a second he'd turn out like this. It's not a lot of money for a club like United obviously, but I'm more stating an example that we tend to overspend pretty often, but plenty of times it works out well and when you look back it's a great deal.
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He wasn't widely known, but he wasn't unheard of either. Us signing him wasn't the first time I'd seen him play. And you're talking as if he hadn't proven anything at all, but he was absolutely flying with Chivas at the time, scoring for fun. With or without hindsight, £6/7mil was a proper steal. It's rare to see anyone go to the top clubs for less than £10mil these days, let alone a gem like Hernandez.

Anyway, that's all wildly off topic.

Thiago is comfortably the most suitable option I've seen us linked with in the five years or so that our CM has been considered a problem area. He's available, and at a bargain price. He's young, but proven at the top level. He's genuinely world class. He actually plays in the position we need someone in, rather than being too like Carrick (Martinez), or not really a central midfielder (Sneijder). He's perfect. Sign him the feck up, Moyesy.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Not for my house. Ill bet you the indignity of being a cnut. If we don't sign one Ill be a cnut. If we do then your it.
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Theres actually a lot of dignity in being a cnut. So yeah, let me take an each way, if we sign or don't sign one then I'm a cnut. Deal?

I don't actually know who we're talking about signing btw.
 
Genius Me! said:
Theres actually a lot of dignity in being a cnut. So yeah, let me take an each way, if we sign or don't sign one then I'm a cnut. Deal?

I don't actually know who we're talking about signing btw.
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He thinks that we are not going to sign a midfielder of any description this summer.
 
I don't get why anyone is excited about Thiago or Strootman NOW. They are in the middle of a European championships and the chance of ANYTHING happening until that is over, should be pretty close to zero.
 
bosnian_red said:
I thought we were the only ones interested in him at the time, and I seem to remember it being rather out of the blue as well. Whatever the case, I just remembered thinking "7 million for some random young striker?Let's hope it works out well", but I did not think for a second he'd turn out like this. It's not a lot of money for a club like United obviously, but I'm more stating an example that we tend to overspend pretty often, but plenty of times it works out well and when you look back it's a great deal.
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No we were not. I don't think it's an example of us overspending at all. Last time I checked it was 6 million but let's not get pedantic here. It's a fair price for the season he had with Chivas. You're acting as if we were in the market for this lad 5,6 years ago. If that was the case, I would be a bit more prone to agree. Yet, at the time we bought this lad, his market value was for 6 mil. Check transfermarkt.

I just don't like the fact you think we picked up this lad out of total obscurity and no one knew about him. It's just a bit harsh. yes he thought about quitting but due to good counsel, he stuck with it. It doesn't mean much to me because at some point he would have been known (i.e. the world cup) and our position wouldn't have been quite so easy. Relatively unknown players go for the range 4-10million with the majority being on the higher end of that range. For example, Phillippe Coutinho went to liverpool for 10 million. I'm sure he was relatively unknown to most Liverpool fans. Point being, I think your reasoning is a bit flawed in terms of paying for young players and market value. 6-7 million isn't bad at all. I can't see how that's overspending.
 
Us announcing this signing would be the perfect finals remedy for me. Been having a shit week.
 
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