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Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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What the 30 plus million Bayern payed we couldn't have done that. We have other issues to address he was the final piece they could afford to go out for him. Dembele is quality he has a tendency to let games go past him at times I regret us not signing him. Sneijder no thank you. Yaya Toure for 25 million and 200,00 a week, maybe Modric though. I just see it as him being more careful with his money.
I think only Modric and Dembele where realistic and Sneijder I am thankful we didn't. But Yaya and Martinez no way. We cannot compete with Rel and City wages wise he would have always gone to Madrid over us.
We could easily have gone for Martinez. Considering his age and quality, it was a solid investment by Bayern much like our investment in say Ferdinand when we signed him. Whether he would have chosen us or not is another matter but to say we couldnt have gone for him at that price is simply wrong.
Martinez was the first midfielder in a long time that I wanted us to sign. Since then Thiago has become the second midfielder.
They overpayed for him they admitted that we could not have easily went for him. How many midfielders have cost more? We don't throw that kind of money around. No way are we playing 30 million plus for Martinez. There is a difference between being able to afford something and paying it.
He's no Leon Osman.
True, but it has gotten to the stage where there are plenty of midfielders who would improve us. Carrick plays virtually as a one man midfield for us most of the time. Plenty of us supporters think Cleverley is his best partner, but even Cleverley is probably no more than a starter for a midtable premier league team. We don't need a 30m+ signing there to improve us, even though it would be nice. Most good midfielders would improve us massively and not leave us so short there always.
Why not? Quality young players cost a lot of money. We paid £30 million at Ferdinand and Rooney so why not similar amounts for a midfielder.
You said we couldnt go for him and Bayern could as he was the final piece they needed. On the contrary, a quality CM was and still remains our final piece considering our quality in other areas and 30mil isnt something we cant pay if we feel the player deserves it. We've done it before with players across ages be it a proven PL player like Berba or young talented ones like a Rio(which worked out brilliantly) or an Anderson(slightly below 30mil and didnt work out so well) so to say we dont throw that kind of money around is wrong.
We didnt go for him eventually and there could be a host of reasons behind it but to say we didnt because we dont spend that kind of money is wrong. SAF always went on about having the cash to go for a player if he wanted to.
Gundogan. Martinez.
That's just the obvious as well, even if we weren't prepared to pay top whack for some improvement in the area our scouts should surely be able to find a solution of some sorts that doesn't involve us playing wingers, strikers, defenders and pensioners in our midfield.
I agree but all this talk like Fergie hasn't invested millions and millions. Like fans say mo point paying 15 million for a Cabaye when we need a 20-25 million player. Perhaps Fergie lost the confidence.
Veron, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba, Hargreaves, Anderson I tink he just lost his confidence and decided to invest in other areas we are deep in defence and upfront. Few signings away from being another classic united team.
Wishful thinking and bookies doing what they've been doing since the dawn of time, protecting themselves from being cleaned out.
We need at least one winger really two. Bar Carrick the midfield is poor. Since the Glazer's came in we have spent over 20 million on one player Van Persie and he was proven class. We wouldn't spend that money on a Martinez. It's one thing to go on about it and another to do it. It was a ballsy move by Bayern which has payed of. He is talented but for that price no way Sir Alex is paying that. He does not OVERPAY for players.
Berbatov
Rubbish.
Berba cost 30m, Anderson cost over 20m as well. Sir Alex overpaid for plenty of players
We were obviously looking. We were interested in Thiago last year. In the past three years, either Fergie didn't find what he was looking for in the players available on the market, or we didnt choose to go the extra mile in signing these players. Fergie already acknowledged midfield as a concern. He was more than happy to stick with what we had. This also corresponded to when he was talking about "value in the market". We don't really know the true answer but I think it was more a case of not finding the player(s) he wanted more so than losing confidence. Our interest in Strootman and Thiago is no coincidence.
Not sure about this Glazer quote. Berba was 31M and Anderson 20+. So that's three players over 20M.
I do agree about the Martinez pricing though. He's proven to be a key component in their team but I don't think anyone would say he is a 40M player on face value. But I suppose a player is worth what anyone is willing to pay for them.
Ashley Young. Berbatov. And that's before we get into any semi-debatable ones, but there's undoubtedly more.
You're just twisting facts now. At the time Bayern got Martinez, our wingers were one of our strengths. We had no need for players anywhere except CM and it really was the final piece we needed.
Since the Glazer takeover, we've paid 30mil for Berba and 20mil for Ando so your point about only having spent it on RVP isnt true either. We paid 18mil on Young in his last year of contract which further shows that if we want a player, we pay what is needed to get him. Similarly with other talented youngsters like Rio, Rooney and Nani, all of whom we paid considerable amounts for. SAF pays what he thinks a player is worth. If he believes in the player's quality, he pays the price. Us not going for Martinez could be because SAF didnt think he was worth 30mil but not because we dont pay those amounts for players even if we want them.
Berbatov was seen as worth as was Anderson and Nani. Nowadays he does not overpay. Martinez at 30 plus was too much.
In preseason last year SAF said:
I agree with you Plato that it was more about not finding the payer he wanted.
Ashley Young. Berbatov. And that's before we get into any semi-debatable ones, but there's undoubtedly more.
Young was under 20 million and at the time Berbatov was worth it. Just didn't work out here.
Berbatov wasn't worth 30m
Ashley Young. Berbatov. And that's before we get into any semi-debatable ones, but there's undoubtedly more.
Basically any young english talent like Jones, Smalling, Zaha, or random foreign players as well like Bebe (feck knows what went wrong there). Jones and Smalling are obviously worth it, but at the time, we probably could have gotten both for better prices. We brought in Smalling for 12m and nobody had heard of him unless you followed Fulham's reserves, and a year before he was in non-league football I'm pretty sure. 12 million is no small sum. For Jones, wasn't he about 17million or so? He was highly rated yes, but he was on Blackburn who got relegated and had financial troubles, so we probably could have gotten him for half the price. Zaha is a young winger who played in the championship, which IMO isn't worth 15m yet.
You can even argue that we overspent for Hernandez, spending 7million to bring in an unknown striker who only a year before contemplated quitting the game altogether.
In summary, we overspend very often, but most of these players end up proving us right to have spent the money in the first place, so in some cases it looks like we got the bargain of the century like Hernandez.
Revisionist history. Berbatov was what a 25 million player he was one of the leagues best at Tottenham. Anderson was a promising youth and cost 20. Martinez cost 30 million plus we just we would never pay that much. Rooney and Ferdinand were a decade ago we have made one 30 million signing since the Glazers have taken over how many have Barca, Real, Chelsea even City made. We are not in that game sadly. A Ronaldo, Bale could get that money but not Martinez.
Berba wasn't one of the league's best. Many supporters could tell that he was in no way suited to our style and many people didn't really want him (including me). He was never even close to a 30mil player, probably 20m at most. In his two seasons at Spurs, he scored 15 premier league goals one year and 12 the other year. Hardly worthy of 20million really.
Anyways, I completely forgot that this was the Thiago thread, so we should probably take this discussion somewhere else.
I forgot about those two. My point is we don't spend money like that anymore. Tottenham are known to push a hard bargain. But that Martinez money I don't see us spending that realistically as you said. A talented player no doubt but 30 plus million?
What are you talking about? He was quality at Tottenham for two years. He was worth more than 20. 25 million player.
Martinez for 40 million was just not a realistic signing, Bayern pulled off a masterstroke with that.
Look at the edit of that post, how was he a 25 million player when he never had a great goalscoring record being the main player at Spurs? He scored 12 goals in 33 premier league games in his first year, and 15 goals in 36 premier league games the next year. That isn't a great record at all, considering he was their main player. Spurs got a great deal for that transfer, and the price was only so much because it was deadline day and City were interested. If we went for him around June or July time, the price would have been around 20 million for sure.
I can feel an "I'm staying" quote coming.
I agree JaffyJoe's on a mad one here, but the Hernandez deal was the opposite of overspending. For relative peanuts we got one of the best strikers in the league (the fastest scoring striker in Premier League history, miles ahead of Henry in second place). If we'd bought him after the world cup instead of just before he'd have cost £20-25mil easy, what with the hype which his performances there generated.
Hardly a masterstroke. Most had been raving about him for the best part of two years. Bayern had the balls to go and pay the fee.
I guess we have to disagree he was a quality player at Tottenham he scored over 20 goals in his two seasons there. 25 million would not have been too much. He was one of the best player's in the league.
I agree JaffyJoe's on a mad one here, but the Hernandez deal was the opposite of overspending. For relative peanuts we got one of the best strikers in the league (the fastest scoring striker in Premier League history, miles ahead of Henry in second place). If we'd bought him after the world cup instead of just before he'd have cost £20-25mil easy, what with the hype which his performances there generated.
I agree looking back it was a fantastic deal, but at the time, we were signing some unknown striker in the from Guadalajara who was on the verge of quitting football a year earlier. We paid 7 million for him, and a year later it's a masterstroke, but considering nobody knew about him since it was before the world cup, it was a decent amount and we probably could have gotten a better price.
Said the same thing for Smalling, we signed him for 12 million which would have been mad if he didn't do well in his first season, considering his previous history. Bebe cost us 7 million as well, and to most of us was like another Hernandez, someone we never heard of but can maybe turn out well. Obviously he's shite and Hernandez is great, but the point is we paid 7 million for an unknown player with virtually no competition from anyone else. Once it worked out brilliantly, once it didn't, but both can be said that at the time it seemed like we overspent.
Martinez even paid €10m from his pocket by accepting a €2m a year decrease in wages.
Whatever you want to call it mate. People where looking yet nobody bought him. I doubt few would have though Martinez 40 million he's worth it. He became a important player in the best team in Europe.
You're spouting this rubbish as though the club has released a statement saying we wouldn't spend big money anymore and therefore its fact. There is zero reason to think that is the case.
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