The quiet before the storm. It's on.
Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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I hope all the speculation being circulated for the last few weeks ultimately turns out to be true. Thiago would be a fantastic signing for us who may perhaps allow us to finally address our glaring weakness in midfield that has been a great cause for concern especially in continental encounters. Thiago is the ideal kind of player we currently need in central midfield to complement Carrick. Although he does appear to thrive in a three man midfield, if a potential transfer agreement is actually reached, then the adjustment needed to play under United's most favored 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 formation with more defensive duties for the midfield pair, will hopefully be much smoother than initially anticipated.
Hmm... just like a child on Christmas I check the Thiago thread with hopes. Every time before I open up the new posts my dreams fade away and I see young Thiago exellence on our midfield and Carring strolling around behind him. Time for a storm soon.
I'm curious but why do so many people see him as a CM that can play in a 2 man midfield. I actually think he would struggle immensely and especially in the PL. If anything I would say he is more of an AMC that can also play CM in a 3 man midfield like the one at Barca but his defensive abilities have never impressed me tbh.
If anything I feel he is more of the Iniesta type of player in a 3 man midfield and not the Xavi or even Busquets, which imo are two players that are much more suited to play in a CM pairing in a 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1, which I assume is what we will be playing under Moyes.
Or am I just underestimating his defensive ability?
If anything I feel he is more of the Iniesta type of player in a 3 man midfield and not the Xavi or even Busquets, which imo are two players that are much more suited to play in a CM pairing in a 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1, which I assume is what we will be playing under Moyes.
Or am I just underestimating his defensive ability?
Whos saying that with the right personnel we wont be using a 3 man midfield?
After all that was fergies thing, Moyes now may want to change things up a bit.
Anyway If Scholes managed it, then anybody can. Sure it may take him some time to adjust, but I dont see how he can be any worse than playing Cleverley in there?
He played in what looked like a 3 man midfield yesterday for Spain. It was hard to really see a formation given the rotation of Isco, Muniain and Tello but it looked like you had Illaramendi as the holding/defensive midfielder, Thiago as the play-dictator and then Isco roaming about, mainly in the final third of the pitch.
I agree with you that I don't think he suits a 4231 but instead suits a 433/4321.
On the evidence of yesterdays game, he looked very much an all round cm to me. To make the barca comparison I would say defo xavi.
Thiago, in my opinion, would be a luxury signing.
He's a want, more than a need.
He's a want, more than a need.
No I strongly disagree. I think we need two central midfielders. One is cover for Carrick, so a defensive mid and the other is a playmaker who runs the show sitting next to Carrick.
I think he is better than Cleverley and Anderson right now. However, I think if we buy him then it would severely disrupt Cleverley's progress into the first team as a regular.
I also dont get why people dont consider the people playing as a #10 a midfielder. I mean Kagawa is an attacking MIDFIELDER. That means that in itself in a midfield 3. We dont necessarily need to play a proper DM right in front of the back four to be considered as a midfield 3.
I agree with your point, although I don't think it's always accurate to describe a #10 as a midfielder. Rooney, when he plays there, drops far deeper than Kagawa did when he played there for Dortmund, and yet most people considered Kagawa an AM and Rooney a creative striker. Kagawa at Dortmund, for me, wasn't really a midfielder. He was very positionally disciplined about not dropping into the middle of the park if possible, instead trusting the midfielders to get the ball to him high up the pitch where he could use that 'explosive' creativity of his to create instant chances. So though he wasn't a striker, exactly, he wasn't a midfielder because he didn't play in the middle of the field.
That suited Dortmund's 'score as fast as possible' approach. For us, I think Kagawa plays as slightly more of a possession player, slightly deeper, and with slightly less discipline, and to call him a midfielder is fair enough. I certainly agree that whether you play Kagawa there or Rooney, it's unfair to say that we play a two-man midfield. They both do at least as much midfield work as, say, Cazorla when he plays #10 for Arsenal.
Yes kid cunto, when did we ever need a classy midfielder.
I wasn't aware that a place in our first-eleven is to be reserved for Tom Cleverley. Usually statements like this are used when referencing older players who are in their prime right now. If signing a player 2 years younger than Cleverley would hurt his route into the team, then it would simply be a testimony that we can do better than Tom Cleverley. Thiago is younger and better than Cleverley, why would we actively plan to have an inferior player in ourmidfleld long-term?
Even if that was the case, I don't think we can sit back and assume that Cleverley is going to be a top quality player. I do think he's got plenty of potential, but he's unlikely to turn out to be a world class player which is what we're really needing in midfield as soon as possible. Obviously Thiago is far from world class himself at the moment, but he strikes me as having more potential to reach that top level than Cleverley does. That could change of course, but either way I don't think we can hold out from signing a midfielder because of how it might affect Cleverley. If Cleverley's going to be good enough then he'll emerge anyway.
Class isn't a necessity.
Yep.
?? Midfield is the one place we do have a real need.
Anderson is 25 now, and Cleverley is turning 24. Both should be in our starting 11 by now, but aren't because they are either always injured like Anderson, or just simply not good enough yet (cleverley's case). Why should we hold a place for Cleverley to become a first team player at United when he isn't close to that ability yet, and Thiago is a much better player, with much more potential, and is 2 years younger.
I dont think I have seen anyone call Rooney a creative striker. He is also a CAM. And again I disagree when you said Kagawa didnt drop deep for Dortmund. He was one of their main instigator of counter attacks. When his team did not have possession, he was constantly in his own half or even as deep as the end of the kick off circle in HIS half. He was high up the pitch (in and around the penalty box) when his team had the ball and were attacking. Their whole team pushed up, so he didnt need to drop deeper to get the ball.
Seriously?! On here, all I ever see is people saying 'Rooney's not a midfielder, he's a striker.' About half of the posts criticising him or our use of him in the endlessly frustrating Wayne Rooney thread start that way. Which is ridiculous, again, because his average position on the pitch is ridiculously deep because he can't resist dropping right into the middle of the park to try and get the ball or get things going.
He is not a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER. He is an attacking midfielder. And I have no problems with him dropping back to help. I get pissed off if he is played next to Carrick as well. Thats not his position and no matter how versatile he seems he will not fit in there well.
When did I say anything about him being a 'CENTRAL MIDFIELDER'? You made a comment about how it's silly to claim that we play a two man midfield when Kagawa is at #10. I agreed, and made a point about Rooney similarly counting as a midfielder (making it a three man midfield) when we play him at #10. I agree, he's definitely not the right choice to become one of the CMs, despite those weird games he got there at the end of the season. So chillax.
Why did we start talking about Rooney in the Thiago thread? We need more Thiago muppetry/youtube comilations to bring the conversation back.
Because people were saying that although Thiago is a CM, he can't necessarily play in a two-man midfield. But United don't really use a two-man midfield anyway, since whoever we play at #10, Rooney or Kagawa, essentially plays as an AM.
But anyone with a new YouTube compilation should definitely get it up here. Muppets gotta fαp.
It's in Spanish, but here's the latest f.a.p material.
I don't think I have mentioned it on the new site. So, I am going to reiterate it - He'll be announced as a United player once the U21 Euros are done.
#gutITK
#gutITK
Sign him up Moyes!
Are you prepared to put your neck on the line?
Just watching those highlights again makew you realise that Barca just aren't going to part with him. They'll offer him everything he wants to keep him. He's just too good.
Brake the bank for feck sake. What's the problem? We see a future midfiled meastro in front of us. He can pass short and long with accuracy, dribble wherever and whenever he likes. He gives us options we don't have and desperately needs. We bought Ando to be this player but I accept defeat, this is the real deal. For €19m Thiago is a daylight robbery.
OK! Maybe I'm not getting it. Explain because I'm in the dark now.
Barca will prefer selling him to a club that accepts their "buy back" terms a la Bojan.
Don't Thiago have a trigger clausal that prevent Barca from making demands regarding this?
He has a release clause.. That means once thats triggered there is no negotiating with Barca just the player..
Yeah, let's ban Shinjisan if Thiago doesn't sign for us.
I don't think I have mentioned this on the new site.
I don't think I have mentioned this on the new site.
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