Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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This Transfer Muppetism is such a strange phenomena. I think that this is probably the only place in the world where people who'd like to improve the team are looked down on.

You're all pretty weird.

It's not the desire to improve the team people look down upon but the fickle nature of the hardcore muppets who will go through a boom bust cycle within two tweets by random people of the internet.

As well as the impatience of some post and all the other drama that comes along with it.

Of course some of the people complaining about muppetry are just as hilarious, especially when you factor in that at least 75% of the muppetry is people just joking around.
 
I wonder if Tiago will be the the first player to match his YouTubism ie everyone looks like a superstar on Youtube.
 
Like someone said, Twitter is not all bollocks. There's a lot of legit info on there in and amongst a sea of bullshit. It's not hard to use common sense to dismiss the bullshit and take what could be legit with a pinch of salt until facts develop.
 
Andy Mitten has said previously that the Thiago-to-United story was posted on the UWS forum in mid-May, before it became this transfer saga, so he has faith in his sources, for what it's worth:

 
Manchester United close in on Thiago Alcantara | Alcantara Stats
As one of Europe’s brightest young talents, Thiago Alcantara of Barcelona is attracting the attention of some of Europe’s leading clubs, and Manchester United appear to be in pole position to capture the 22 year-old’s signature.
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Those who didn’t already know his name were forced to sit up and take notice on Tuesday evening as Thiago hit a perfect first half hat-trick to help Spain’s U-21s overcome Italy in the European Youth Championship final. Indeed this was not a one-off display of quality, and it is only a lack of opportunity at Barcelona that has prevented him from driving his reputation into the global light.
Now Thiago is available for a fee of £15million (18 million Euros) due to a release clause in his contract. There aren’t enough exclamation marks in the world to emphasise what a steal that would be, and unsurprisingly he is attracting attention from the likes of Manchester United, Bayern Munich and even Real Madrid. Usually when something seems like it’s too good to be true, it is too good to be true, but Barcelona have allowed the situation to get out of hand, and now any club meeting that fee will be free to talk to the player.
How did Barcelona allow such a fantastic talent to become available for such a small fee? Well upon renewing his contract in 2011 his release clause was meant to be £77 million to preventinterest from other clubs. However, that was dependent on Thiago playing in 60% or more of Barcelona’s matches, and in those matches he had to have played at least 30 minutes. Now, he did play in (exactly) 60% of Barcelona’s matches and he comfortably averaged more than 30 minutes per match. However, in 15 of the 36 matches he was involved in he played less than 30 minutes, and since the clause was not concerned with his average minutes on the pitch, that £77 million has dropped to £15 million.
That clause will rise back to £77 million after July 31st, but any club dedicated to signing him won’t allow that to happen.
Barcelona must have been aware of this technicality in his contract of course, but perhaps they allowed it to happen because they didn’t expect the player to have any desire to leave. If the player doesn’t want to leave then there isn’t a problem, because it would still be his choice to sign for another club. Indeed, the lowered £15 million release clause was not a problem; that was until it was revealed that Thiago could indeed be tempted by a move.
When asked about a move away from Barcelona prior to the European U-21’s competition, he replied “We will see after the Euros”. The impression is that his first choice is to remain at the club and compete for a place in the team. The problem is that his competition is most directly with Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas, not to mention a whole collection of other stars. His situation with Barcelona is very similar to his affiliation with the national team: he would walk into almost any other side in the world, but unfortunately there is an abundance of quality at a more mature age ahead of him.
Thiago’s problem is not that he is impatient though; he has never indicated that he is not happy in Barcelona. It is rather that he will be fighting to get into the Spanish squad in a season that precedes the World Cup. If the past year’s events were to repeat themselves then he would be left unlikely to make that squad since he will need consistent football at a high level. Manchester United (among other clubs potentially) can offer him this.
In truth a World Cup year provides a convenient get-out for any player that wants to be playing more. In many ways it legitimizes their decision and makes it more understandable in the face of the media and those players and fans that he leaves behind. Pique has admitted:
There is a possibility that he could leave but we have to convince him that the best place for him is Barcelona. Players in his position like Xavi were patient and they ended up defining an era.
A plea for patience would often be deemed reasonable, but with such fierce competition within the national team it is also reasonable for him to throw patience to the wind on this occasion.
Spanish news outlet El Mundo Deportivo has claimed that Thiago and his father have already held talks with Manchester United, and if he is to look for a move it seems as if United is the most likely destination. Sky Bet make it 4/9 that he will be a United player, with Bayern Munich second favourites at 5/1 and Manchester City and Real Madrid both on 8/1 to sign him.

Interestingly it is understood that David De Gea wrote on Thiago’s man of the match ball “Nos vemos en Manchester”, translated: “See you in Manchester”. This has led many to celebrate this as a signing all wrapped up. Realistically though you can’t read into this too much, because it is more likely to be a friendly jest made by the United keeper than anything else. What it does imply, though, is that there has certainly been talk of him joining Manchester United and that the possibility is certainly there.
Moving onto his stats, it is more useful to analyse his performances in all competitions, including the Euro U-21s competition, since his chances in the league were limited and often off the bench.
In all competitions in 21 starts he has scored 4 goals and managed 6 assists, which means he was directly involved in a goal in almost every other match when on the pitch from the very beginning. From his 13 appearances off the bench he scored 1 goal with no assists; not particularly an impact player, and he certainly seems more motivated when given his chances in the starting line-up.
As a central midfielder, and with his passing stats, he is a player that runs the core of the team and links defence to attack. Holding on to the ball is a key element to his game with a pass success of 91.9% and making on average 67.6 passes per match. He has also averaged 1 key pass per game over the season.
Statistically speaking, Thiago is stronger than any other of Manchester United’s central midfielders. Michael Carrrick, who was shortlisted for PFA player of the year almost purely on his range of passing, had less assists (4) and a lower pass success of 87%. He plays in a deep role for Manchester United though, giving him fewer chances to attack, and of course Thiago plays for Barcelona whose team is built on passing. That said, out of all the central midfielders at Barcelona who do not have a primary defensive role, only Xavi has a better pass success percentage than Thiago (94.8%).
The bookies seem to think that it is very likely Thiago will become a Manchester United player in his search for first team football. It would be one of the opportunistic signings of the decade, and if United want to make sure that they get their man then they should try and wrap the deal up soon. Before additional clubs throw their hats into the ring.
 
Andy Mitten has said previously that the Thiago-to-United story was posted on the UWS forum in mid-May, before it became this transfer saga, so he has faith in his sources, for what it's worth:


I believe at that point we made a bid. However, I remember Andy saying at the time it was possible for Thiago to go to Madrid.
 
Jesus, this thread is like a car crash. No matter how much you don't want to look, you still look. There has been nothing of any value posted in the last 100 pages and the same shite is being repeated over and over. The mods should just lock it, til he's having a medical.

Or we could ban you from it?
 
It's Sneijder saga all over again, it'll go until August when the clause is removed from his contract and then for the next 4 weeks with the price being touted at around £30m. Then nothing will happen but the same story will be rehashed over the next 3 years during every single transfer window.

Yep, that's what I expect as well.
 
Previous Transfer Tweets by this DaveGoddard1971 fella:

Dave Goddard ‏@DaveGoddard1971
Being told #mufc spending may not be over. They have two targets. Both midfielders. They hope to sign one.

Although I believe our spending is over personally, this guy is actually one of the very few genuine agents on twitter. He rarely posts transfer rumors, although when he does he is normally quite on the money. He was one of the first on the RvP story as I recall.
Dave Goddard ‏@DaveGoddard1971

#MUFC have accepted a bid from Fiorentina for Berbatov. Up to the player now.
turns out that @DaveGoddard1971 is probably an ITK - apparrently he is either the agent of Mark Howard or a very good friend of him .. (yes, the former united reserve player, current playing for AGF, Denmark).. Check out his last tweets... @DaveGoddard1971
@DaveGoddard1971: Have it on good authority that Robin van Persie to #MUFC has moved a step closer.
No he never called the RVP deal. He guessed it may happen during the rumors, and takes credit for being an ITK. They all know feck all.
Called the rvp deal.

@DaveGoddard1971: There is only one job Mourinho wants. And it's not one he's done already.

I hope like everyone that this isn't true. However if Fergie has decided to step down, surely we would go for Jose.
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Regarding that last tweet, I pulled a couple tweets where Miguel Delaney said Mendes was pushing hard for Mourinho to go to United but the board went with SAF's decision and saw Mourinho as a problem child.

Seems like Offside knows Dave Goddard's intentions despite the fact he's an agent.....

Top, do you happen to know when Dave tweeted about our spending not being over?
 
Well FCBarca said Mundo Deportivo are well-sourced with Barca and not Sport so we shall see.
 
Regarding that last tweet, I pulled a couple tweets where Miguel Delaney said Mendes was pushing hard for Mourinho to go to United but the board went with SAF's decision and saw Mourinho as a problem child.

Seems like Offside knows Dave Goddard's intentions despite the fact he's an agent.....

Top, do you happen to know when Dave tweeted about our spending not being over?
Last summer on 29th August. So he was wrong.
 
Is Sport a trusted paper in Spain.
I live in Spain and i agree with FCBarca. This is what I posted last week in the twitter thread

Personally I think all the Spanish daily sports papers are shitty. They have so many pages to fill every day with stories about the two superclubs that they will write any old rubbish. Although I think Mundo Deportivo has a slightly better rep than Sport.
 
From a past medical journal at http://www.bmj.com/

Entitled: Advanced pleuropulmonary and cardiopulmonary Kermitosis; of the degenerative nervous system disorder muppetosis.

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Patient's chest during Stage 5 Kermitosis. Improvement was seen in this patient throughout September. Seasonal relapse occurs until death due to exasperation.

:lol: post of the year material! Seriously!
 
Well FCBarca said Mundo Deportivo are well-sourced with Barca and not Sport so we shall see.


If MD posts something, it's been rubberstamped by the club...which is why I first was alarmed weeks ago when they announced Thiago was on the market
 
Just a comment on the Spanish sporting press, as they currently stand.
Sport and MD don't print anything that they think will upset the Barca board. MD currently seem closer to the club than Sport in terms of rumours and gossip, they tend to know more about injuries etc as well as transfers.

Marca and AS print stuff that will upset Real Madrid, if they think it will sell. Marca having being briefed by Madrid, regularly go too far, and having mostly lost privileged access even to that club (though not to "certain" players) - I doubt they have any significant access to Barca. AS are generally more cautious, and at the moment have better relationships with Madrid, Atletico and even Barcelona than Marca - certainly they don't claim to know things unless they do.

The trouble trying to use any such rules in the Thiago case is that I really believe this is now all about him (and maybe his dad). Barca don't appear to be fighting to keep him in contractual terms, confirming the general feeling that the board (and coaches?) are lukewarm, while the fans (and other players) are keener - you'd get that feeling reading/listening to any of the Spanish media.

So, I honestly think the nearest thing to a Thiago ITK is Graham Hunter - who has said fairly consistently, he's probably leaving, we're still in pole position if he does.
 
I'm not that familiar with the Spanish press, have you got any examples of when this has rung true?


Pointless to cite them, too numerous to mention. It'd be easier to find something MD posted that wasn't true when it came to the club. Moreover, a media instrument is not only for information but disinformation, as well.
 
Just a comment on the Spanish sporting press, as they currently stand.
Sport and MD don't print anything that they think will upset the Barca board. MD currently seem closer to the club than Sport in terms of rumours and gossip, they tend to know more about injuries etc as well as transfers.

Marca and AS print stuff that will upset Real Madrid, if they think it will sell. Marca having being briefed by Madrid, regularly go too far, and having mostly lost privileged access even to that club (though not to "certain" players) - I doubt they have any significant access to Barca. AS are generally more cautious, and at the moment have better relationships with Madrid, Atletico and even Barcelona than Marca - certainly they don't claim to know things unless they do.

The trouble trying to use any such rules in the Thiago case is that I really believe this is now all about him (and maybe his dad). Barca don't appear to be fighting to keep him in contractual terms, confirming the general feeling that the board (and coaches?) are lukewarm, while the fans (and other players) are keener - you'd get that feeling reading/listening to any of the Spanish media.

So, I honestly think the nearest thing to a Thiago ITK is Graham Hunter - who has said fairly consistently, he's probably leaving, we're still in pole position if he does.
Pointless to cite them, too numerous to mention. It'd be easier to find something MD posted that wasn't true when it came to the club. Moreover, a media instrument is not only for information but disinformation, as well.

Right. I am now confused. jojojo has been brilliant throughout and her opinions are well-constructed and thought out. One of you thinks Sport wouldn't print this story out of spite. FCBarca, I am assuming you feel differently.
 
Sky getting involved shouldn't mean too much. How many times did they mention Sneijder?

Still think this will happen though.
 
Sky Sports have finally made reference to Thiago->United. No transfer news, but they've posted an appraisal of his abilities. Decent read:

Thiago's Time

Surprised with some of his stats that they mentioned there, like that he managed almost as many tackles and interceptions as Xavi and Iniesta combined despite playing only 1400 minutes compared to the combined 4300 minutes of Xavi and Iniesta. Also his pass statistics are great, as we all know he is a great passer.
Really good read for those who aren't too familiar with him.
 
Right. I am now confused. jojojo has been brilliant throughout and her opinions are well-constructed and thought out. One of you thinks Sport wouldn't print this story out of spite. FCBarca, I am assuming you feel differently.


I think spite's the wrong word. The initial MD report that Barca was willing to let him go has set the tone for all subsequent coverage. It went down badly with the fans, as did news of the price. To me, everything since then has been damage limitation by Rosell and crew, and cautious movement from Thiago. If they can get Barca fans bored and impatient with the Thiago story, before the final decision is made, then they'll view it as a P R success.
 
Interesting, attacking stats of Thiago hasn't been that great. He has been Barca's last productive central midfielder. On the other side, he's miles ahead their best central midfielder at defensive stats. And unsurprisingly, he's only second to Xavi on passing stats, thoguh Thiago is even better than him in through balls.

For those who thought that he's not good defensively, a tackle every 33 minutes and an interception every 36 is absolutely great for a central midfielder. It is around 8-9 tackle/interception a game. I am not sure, but I think that from our team only Carrick has better defensive stats than Thiago

Great article, really.
 
Sky Sports have finally made reference to Thiago->United. No transfer news, but they've posted an appraisal of his abilities. Decent read:

Thiago's Time

Good article.

Surprised with some of his stats that they mentioned there, like that he managed almost as many tackles and interceptions as Xavi and Iniesta combined despite playing only 1400 minutes compared to the combined 4300 minutes of Xavi and Iniesta. Also his pass statistics are great, as we all know he is a great passer.
Really good read for those who aren't too familiar with him.

I agree, impressed with the number of interceptions too in comparison to the others. As much as I like him, I've thought for a while Cleverley's positioning is great when we are in possession but when we lose the ball he doesn't position himself well enough to make intelligent interceptions and rather ends up chasing it a bit.
In all of my trawling through the Catalan press in the past few weeks, the most common criticisms of Thiago from the Barcelona fans in the comments under articles seems to be giving the ball away too much at times and not winning possession back quickly enough. Those stats show it isn't for a lack of trying because he's making more tackles and interceptions than his fellow CMs in fewer minutes.
 
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