Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

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Gazza said:
If the story of Mazinho being in Manchester last week is true (and it came from respectable sources) then I doubt we were just being used as a bargaining tool. Would be strange and unprofessional to take it that far.
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It was confirmed by Craig Norwood.
 
THIAGO ESCAPE CLAUSE
Thiago Alcantara has scarred from the bad experience of his close friend Giovani dos Santos to Tottenham

Thiago Alcantara has ended badly burned a season that has not felt important to Tito Vilanova. Since making his debut in the first team under the orders of Pep Guardiola, the progression of the squad had been hit, including his first appearances with the Spanish national team. Not to mention that two months was KO, was only 15th in minutes played in the league and has also had the feeling that too often the technician did not have it in mind in big games.

If we add that the technical secretary Andoni Zubizarreta, has been unable or unwilling to prevent the clause is only 20 million euros until 31 July (after that date will go up to 90), is already ' vox populi "that the elder brother Alcantara could leave the club for the forthcoming season.
All indications are that his fate will be Manchester United. Since coming to office, replacing the legendary Alex Ferguson, the new coach of the 'Red Devils', David Moyes has continued to insist that Thiago wants to have in their ranks to lead a very weak midfield with Paul Scholes farewell , the decline of veteranísimo perennial Ryan Giggs and Michael Carrick physical problems.

However, the operation is stalled by a clause intended to include the squad in its contract with United in a show that it's more than possible departure does not have an economic profile so marked as to believe. Assuming that the United aims triplicarle the salary that currently at the club (we speak of 140,000 euros a week), Thiago is not willing to leave without first ensuring that you have a lot of continuity and will be a major player in the equipment.

So much so that the Spanish international in all categories intended to be free by a similar amount to the 20 million of its clause next summer if not dispute a number of meetings, something that United was reluctant at first. However, at the insistence of the player and his representative, British club leaders begin to grasp that the operation could be ruined if you do not accept the imposition of the Blaugrana.

As this is a request of David Moyes, very bad things would have to go to not to play. Despite this, the minutes are won in practice and neither the clubs nor the coaches often secure them to anyone.

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This is the latest from Sport. Sounds plausible since I can't see our club easily putting a release clause in his contract, but they may well be persuaded if its the deal breaker.

*Are they just copying what Hunter said?
 
Siorac said:
Again, that means the words are not spelt the way they sound :P You don't spell it "Ernandez", do you?
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Eh? They do not sound right with English pronunciation of the letters. They sound perfect with Spanish pronunciation.

I hope this is a WUM.
 
charleysurf said:
Eh? They do not sound right with English pronunciation of the letters. They sound perfect with Spanish pronunciation.

I hope this is a WUM.
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He said that Spanish words are spelt exactly as they sound. They don't. At least not in many cases. The silent "h" is a great example of that: you have to spell the word with an "h" even though you don't hear one when you pronounce it.

Please try to follow the thread and actually read what an argument is about before labelling someone as a WUM. Thank you.
 
the sport article makes it sound as if he is waiting to hear from us about the clause
 
Clause? Give him whatever clause he wants...a playing time clause, release clause, santa claus, it's all good
 
The story keeps being repeated, Thiago has to call a meeting with Barcelona to tell them he's leaving. I feel that will be the difficult part for him. If he's reluctant to leave, they will play on that and do what they can to persuade him to stay.

What's confusing is the other narrative that Barca arent trying hard and the only stumbling block with the move is MUFC agreeing to a clause similar to the one Thiago has now with Barca. Perhaps both stories are intertwined somehow but the sooner the boy makes a decision the better.
 
Dangerous territory offering this clause. Isn't the money bing offered an indicator enough that he's going to be first team.
 
Perhaps not, I do not think it will set a dangerous precedent if that's what you're implying.
 
It's bullshit bowing down to the demands of a 22 year old. Playing time is earned not guaranteed. If he is good enough, he'll have enough playing time at United.
 
I believe there was a similar clause when Ronaldo first joined. It was not as stringent obviously.
 
Shinjisan said:
It's bullshit bowing down to the demands of a 22 year old. Playing time is earned not guaranteed. If he is good enough, he'll have enough playing time at United.
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Im inclined to agree with this.

For all the stick Pogba took from many fans. This lad if all these reports are accurate make him out to be a lot worse
 
Why does this clause matter? the kids clearly going to play every game possible for us. Just sign the fecker and worry about the bullshit later.
 
Cina said:
Reports being twitter rumours?

Pogba was 18, Thiago is 22, very different situations.
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Exactly, and forgetting the fact that Pogba was only playing academy football the year before ffs. But anyway lets not get into another bloody Pogba debate.

Platato said:
Perhaps not, I do not think it will set a dangerous precedent if that's what you're implying.
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Why not? Other players will start demanding the same, Javier Hernandez for example isn't someone that got the most game time.
 
Shinjisan said:
It's bullshit bowing down to the demands of a 22 year old. Playing time is earned not guaranteed. If he is good enough, he'll have enough playing time at United.
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And we will never get him. Sometimes we need to see things further. Sticking to principle is good, as the way we've handled Pogba, but there's always opportunity cost to it.
 
RedRonaldo said:
And we will never get him. Sometimes we need to see things further. Sticking to principle is good, as the way we've handled Pogba, but there's always opportunity cost to it.
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He is available at an amazing price and I would love for us to get him but that doesn't mean we should do anything to get his signature. He is not the only midfielder in the world.

How do you guarantee playing time? If he hits bad form - we should keep playing him? Or we always run the risk of losing him? We don't want to get into a situation that Barcelona found themselves in. He should look at our midfield options right now and be confident that he would play a majority of the games. He should talk to Moyes and come here only if he feels comfortable.

I don't like the idea of getting into guaranteed playing time. What if Cleverley, Hernandez, Welbeck, Rooney etc. demand the same? What about our young central defenders? What about future buys?
 
I very much doubt that clause is a problem or exists.
 
If he's as good as we think he is, he'll be playing enough that a games-played release clause won't be active. If he doesn't fit in, why would would we want to stop him leaving for a fair price. There's no principle at stake, if he plays he stays, if he doesn't we can still have a release clause that covers what he cost us.
 
jojojo said:
If he's as good as we think he is, he'll be playing enough that a games-played release clause won't be active. If he doesn't fit in, why would would we want to stop him leaving for a fair price. There's no principle at stake, if he plays he stays, if he doesn't we can still have a release clause that covers what he cost us.
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This. No need to be stubborn just for the sake of it.
 
jojojo said:
If he's as good as we think he is, he'll be playing enough that a games-played release clause won't be active. If he doesn't fit in, why would would we want to stop him leaving for a fair price. There's no principle at stake, if he plays he stays, if he doesn't we can still have a release clause that covers what he cost us.
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Well said.
 
The clause really wouldn't be a problem, if he plays a lot, happy days. if he doesn't he can leave for around the same price we bought him.. What's the problem?
 
jojojo said:
If he's as good as we think he is, he'll be playing enough that a games-played release clause won't be active. If he doesn't fit in, why would would we want to stop him leaving for a fair price. There's no principle at stake, if he plays he stays, if he doesn't we can still have a release clause that covers what he cost us.
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I agree, it is important to know when to be pragmatic.
 
Shinjisan said:
Why would we stop him from leaving if he doesn't fit in? Why would we not sell him like we have sold many?
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It would probably be better for us since we're known to sell cheap. As jojojo said, we would at least recoup the money we paid for him rather than worry about clubs low-balling us for a player who they know wants out.
 
With Neymar begging for Rooney to join Barca, why don't we play their game and get our boys to start chatting about Thiago? At least Giggs had the humility to just dismiss it as rumour when asked about him, instead of telling him to join United.

Maybe we are just too nicey-nice in the market? Get the ferry, drive to Barcelona, potato sack over the head and bang the cnut into a van.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
With Neymar begging for Rooney to join Barca, why don't we play their game and get our boys to start chatting about Thiago? At least Giggs had the humility to just dismiss it as rumour when asked about him, instead of telling him to join United.

Maybe we are just too nicey-nice in the market? Get the ferry, drive to Barcelona, potato sack over the head and bang the cnut into a van.
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Are there actually quotes for this or are you just going by the silly daily mail article?
 
I got it from here, there where's actual quotes from Neymar.

http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-united/8799201/Neymar-urges-Roo-to-join-Barca

Neymar said: "The style of football we [Barcelona] play and the level of the players we have - we are the perfect club for the top players to join.
"I have met Wayne on a few occasions and he seems a good guy but importantly, he is one of the players I admire most in the world.
"Wayne is one of the most gifted and technical players in the world.
"Of course he would improve Barcelona. He would improve any club in Europe. And on a personal level, it would be a dream to play with him."
 
Ah ok, didn't realize there were actual quotes.

Can't see them buying him, after €47m on Neymar there's just no need really.
 
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